Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa

[Alan Klein]

What AK says is, in broad outline, true. But he omits a couple of important things. First, the election was done entirely by mail, so of course they sent ballots to all registered voters. Second, the outcome shows that measures already in place are very good at detecting this kind of fraud. Just as they did during a 2018 congressional race here in NC when a GOP operative was caught harvesting ballots and the election was nullified. And note this: if the fraudsters cannot even successfully rig a minor municipal election, what's the chance of them rigging a big election? Zero.

1. The election wasn't done entirely by mail.  People voted at booths too.
2. The fraud here in NJ was only detected by stupidity on the part of the fraudsters.  Rather than dropping the ballots into the mailbox individually as a single voter would do, they put rubber bands or other wrappings and dropped them in en masse by the dozens.  The mailman collecting the mail noticed this and knew there was something wrong.  They won't make that mistake again.
3. The issue was not a national election here.  It was for local councilmen and other state and county officials.  Elections aren't just about presidents and senators.  There are congressmen, as well as state legislatures where huge party fights go on.  A few votes here or there can switch legislatures and who runs a particular state.  We have to be concerned with all elections.

[digitaldog]

What AK says is, in broad outline, true.

Amazingly. Yet even a broken clock is right, twice a day. 😜

But he omits a couple of important things.

To be expected.

[LesPalenik]

Good news for those who don't like masks.

Poor photoshopping. Also poor attempt at humour.
If you are going to adorn him with something, you may as well give him a flamethrower. Here is one at $7500.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/NEW-Very-Low-253-Elon-Musk-The-Boring-Company-Not-A-Flamethrower-Mint/284212332179?hash=item422c600693:g:Bs4AAOSw8kFgRnHi

[Robert Roaldi]

Do you think that the BLM marchers should be prosecuted for spraying cops with pepper spray?  Do you know if any have been?  What have been their penalties?  Maybe you can Google it.  I'm going to get an ice cream cone.

I don't understand your comments. Are you saying you don't think it's a big deal that the guy was killed during that insurrection by treasonous domestic forces that were trying to destroy the US government?

[Robert Roaldi]

1. The election wasn't done entirely by mail.  People voted at booths too.
2. The fraud here in NJ was only detected by stupidity on the part of the fraudsters.  Rather than dropping the ballots into the mailbox individually as a single voter would do, they put rubber bands or other wrappings and dropped them in en masse by the dozens.  The mailman collecting the mail noticed this and knew there was something wrong.  They won't make that mistake again.
3. The issue was not a national election here.  It was for local councilmen and other state and county officials.  Elections aren't just about presidents and senators.  There are congressmen, as well as state legislatures where huge party fights go on.  A few votes here or there can switch legislatures and who runs a particular state.  We have to be concerned with all elections.

This has been argued ad nauseam. No significant fraud was discovered during the last election. Give it a rest please.

And given the fact that people only suspected that the fraud took place in districts that voted Democrat, it was never more than just pure bs to begin with. Honestly, this constant childish whining about that election is sounding all a bit pathetic.

[Robert Roaldi]

Does anyone happen to know/remember what Trump's reaction was to the nerve toxin poisonings in Salisbury and Amesbury UK in 2018 by suspected Russian agents, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Sergei_and_Yulia_Skripal.

We're currently watching the dramatized series based on the first of those incidents (The Salisbury Poisonings). It occurred to me that this was in 2018, in the middle of the Trump-Putin mutual admiration fest. Amazing that such a major international crime should have faded from memory so quickly, I barely remember the story on the news. Might have been distracted by some Trump bs or other.

[jeremyrh]

Does anyone happen to know/remember what Trump's reaction was to the nerve toxin poisonings in Salisbury and Amesbury UK in 2018 by suspected Russian agents, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Sergei_and_Yulia_Skripal.

We're currently watching the dramatized series based on the first of those incidents (The Salisbury Poisonings). It occurred to me that this was in 2018, in the middle of the Trump-Putin mutual admiration fest. Amazing that such a major international crime should have faded from memory so quickly, I barely remember the story on the news. Might have been distracted by some Trump bs or other.

That event was obviously major news here at the time, and the TV series is apparently pretty true to life.  It was unbelievably reckless, with Russian agents splashing an incredibly toxic substance around the place with no concern at all for the risk to innocent people.  I don't recall how the Orange One reacted.

[Alan Klein]

Poor photoshopping. Also poor attempt at humour.
If you are going to adorn him with something, you may as well give him a flamethrower. Here is one at $7500.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/NEW-Very-Low-253-Elon-Musk-The-Boring-Company-Not-A-Flamethrower-Mint/284212332179?hash=item422c600693:g:Bs4AAOSw8kFgRnHi

It's not my photo.  As gallows humor, I thought it was OK.  Flamethrowers are a little bit too much.

[Alan Klein]

I don't understand your comments. Are you saying you don't think it's a big deal that the guy was killed during that insurrection by treasonous domestic forces that were trying to destroy the US government?

The men were charged wth simple assault, not murder, insurrrection, treason, or sedition.  Pepper spray doesn't kill people.  The officer died the next day in his home for unknown reasons.  Did you show concern about rioters using pepper spry during the BLM riots and other protest by demonstrators on the left? You should be consistent in your concern. 

[Alan Klein]

"Come on up".  Biden blows up Trump's successful border policies causing a crisis on the Mexican border. 

More than 4,000 children have been stuck in Border Patrol-run facilities, which are akin to jail-like conditions, for extended periods in the absence of enough shelter space to properly care for them.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/15/politics/biden-immigration/index.html

[Robert Roaldi]

The men were charged wth simple assault, not murder, insurrrection, treason, or sedition.  Pepper spray doesn't kill people.  The officer died the next day in his home for unknown reasons.  Did you show concern about rioters using pepper spry during the BLM riots and other protest by demonstrators on the left? You should be consistent in your concern.

I'm getting sick and tired of your childish attempts at phoney moral equivalence. The BLM rioters, insofar as they committed crimes, were dealt with by police authorities. End of story.

Are you really suggesting that because somebody rioted last July or August that it was ok for Trump-encouraged insurrectionists to try and invade the Capitol? What exactly do the 2 things have to do with one another? YOU are the one trying to draw parallels here, so you EXPLAIN yourself and stop deflecting. Do YOU think it was ok for them to invade the Capitol or don't you? Stop trying to change the subject and answer a direct question for once.

And if the authorities have decided to press charges with respect to the death of that guard, then it's probably because they have good reason to. Your attempt to dismiss it because he didn't die till a day later falls a little short of being an acceptable criticism. Or ARE you ACTUALLY saying that because BLM rioters broke the law last August, then it's ok for these guys to kill a Capital guard? Is that what you are saying?

[jeremyrh]

"Come on up".  Biden blows up Trump's successful border policies causing a crisis on the Mexican border. 

More than 4,000 children have been stuck in Border Patrol-run facilities, which are akin to jail-like conditions, for extended periods in the absence of enough shelter space to properly care for them.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/15/politics/biden-immigration/index.html

This issue is addressed by the excellent Jen Psaki here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cUbQZRptYM

In a previous life I taught migrants in Texas, and most of them weren't Mexicans looking for easy money, they were actually mostly from El Salvador and Guatemala, and they had fled from theor homes because they'd been torn up by US-backed wars.

[digitaldog]

The officer died the next day in his home for unknown reasons. 

Is Alan confused and uneducated or lying?
Sicknick died at a hospital about 9:30 p.m. one day after the riots.
Alan simply makes this up as he posts.
Deliberate malpractice.

[Alan Klein]

I'm getting sick and tired of your childish attempts at phoney moral equivalence. The BLM rioters, insofar as they committed crimes, were dealt with by police authorities. End of story.

Are you really suggesting that because somebody rioted last July or August that it was ok for Trump-encouraged insurrectionists to try and invade the Capitol? What exactly do the 2 things have to do with one another? YOU are the one trying to draw parallels here, so you EXPLAIN yourself and stop deflecting. Do YOU think it was ok for them to invade the Capitol or don't you? Stop trying to change the subject and answer a direct question for once.

And if the authorities have decided to press charges with respect to the death of that guard, then it's probably because they have good reason to. Your attempt to dismiss it because he didn't die till a day later falls a little short of being an acceptable criticism. Or ARE you ACTUALLY saying that because BLM rioters broke the law last August, then it's ok for these guys to kill a Capital guard? Is that what you are saying?

They should be tried for assault which appears they have done with the pepper spray.  However, you accused these two men of capital crimes they did not commit including treason, murder, and insurrection. I'm sure the judge will direct the jury to eliminate all unfounded charges from people like you in their deliberations.    Your hyperbolic charges are incendiary and try to incite the public just as much as your accusations against Trump for incitement.  So I'm not surprised by your choice of words and accusations.

[digitaldog]

They should be tried for assault which appears they have done with the pepper spray.

And more, but Alan just failed again to study the topic:

Julian Elie Khater, 32, of Pennsylvania and George Pierre Tanios, 39 of Morgantown, W.Va., were arrested Sunday and charged with assaulting federal officers, conspiring to injure officers, among other charges.
And:
The two men are charged with nine counts, with several of them relating to violence and assaulting officers.
Alan again simply hasn't a clue about what the facts are. Nothing new guys. 

[Alan Klein]

This issue is addressed by the excellent Jen Psaki here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cUbQZRptYM

In a previous life I taught migrants in Texas, and most of them weren't Mexicans looking for easy money, they were actually mostly from El Salvador and Guatemala, and they had fled from theor homes because they'd been torn up by US-backed wars.

I support legal immigration into the USA.  That's not the situation we have right now on our borders.  Trump had the situation under control.  Mexico was cooperating holding people there until appropriate clearance could be met for legal entry.  There were no children in cages. Now Biden has surpassed that problem that Trump got under control because he gave the green light again to every foreigner who wants to immigrate illegally.  Biden's "wink and a nod" made a mess of things. 

[digitaldog]

So much for Alan's voter (concerns) FUD:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/voter-outreach-led-big-drop-rejected-mail-ballots-n1261222
ATLANTA — The coronavirus pandemic triggered an unprecedented surge in mailed ballots last year, raising concerns that a flood of first-time absentee voters would lead to another record: more ballots tossed out for missing deadlines, signatures or other reasons.

Those fears never materialized. An analysis by The Associated Press found that the rate of rejected ballots was actually lower in November than during last year’s primaries in several politically pivotal states despite an increase in the number of absentee ballots cast.

In one of the most striking instances, Wisconsin saw both a decline in rejection rate and the overall number of ballots tossed out. During the state's chaotic primary at the start of the pandemic, Wisconsin rejected roughly 23,000 absentee ballots compared with about 4,000 ballots in November even as the number of absentee ballots rose from just shy of 1.2 million in the primary to nearly 2 million.

[jeremyrh]

I support legal immigration into the USA.  That's not the situation we have right now on our borders.  Trump had the situation under control.  Mexico was cooperating holding people there until appropriate clearance could be met for legal entry.  There were no children in cages. Now Biden has surpassed that problem that Trump got under control because he gave the green light again to every foreigner who wants to immigrate illegally.  Biden's "wink and a nod" made a mess of things.

Your adoration of Trump seems to know no bounds, certainly not the boring old restraints of facts.

[Alan Klein]

Your adoration of Trump seems to know no bounds, certainly not the boring old restraints of facts.

Leave Trump out of it if you want. What facts are incorrect?  There was no crisis on the border until Jan 20th when Biden took over.  If you don't like the comparison to Trump, even Obama did a better job than Biden is doing. 

[TechTalk]

The men were charged wth simple assault

So far, each of them has been charged with one count of conspiracy to injure an officer; three counts of assault on a federal officer with a dangerous weapon; one count of civil disorder; one count of obstructing or impeding an official proceeding; one count of physical violence on restricted grounds, while carrying dangerous weapon and resulting in significant bodily injury; and one count of violent entry and disorderly conduct, act of physical violence on Capitol grounds.