Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa

[Alan Klein]

Quite horrific. The response by the police chiefs could be called "extreme incompetence" or "organized sabotage".

I said here in LuLa the same day or the next that they weren't prepared.  It allowed a simple demonstration to escalate into a riot on its own adrenalin rather than kept as a demonstration.  It was obvious looking at live TV there weren't enough police there or anyone in charge. 

[Alan Klein]

I also said that it seemed deliberate; that someone ordered them to stand down to allow the riot to happen. (Added: The Capitol Police report to Congress, not the executive branch.)

[Alan Klein]

Pure fantasy as usual.
No soup or respect for you. 😘

That's OK.  I don't like crab bisque.

[jeremyrh]

Everyone of you engaging in personal attacks and name calling rather than showing facts that disprove the evidence I presented.     

If only you would present facts....

[digitaldog]

That's OK.  I don't like crab bisque.

Or truth.

[faberryman]

Everyone of you engaging in personal attacks and name calling rather than showing facts that disprove the evidence I presented.     

I am not engaging in personal attacks and name calling. Is the following statement what you want us to disprove? Again.

Democrat gov Cuomo of  NY created a situation where 13000 old people died of Covid because of his directives.

I would like to remind you that just because something pops into your head and you post it doesn't make it "evidence". To the contrary, it is a bald assertion.

[Alan Klein]

I am not engaging in personal attacks and name calling. Is this what you want us to disprove? Again.

How many people did die?  Do you know the number? Was it 500, 5000?  You're playing word games that have nothing to do with the story that Cuomo's directive killed people and he tried to hide the facts and cover it up.  That's the story.  Respond to that.

[LesPalenik]

I also said that it seemed deliberate; that someone ordered them to stand down to allow the riot to happen. (Added: The Capitol Police report to Congress, not the executive branch.)

Yes, it appeared to be deliberate. While Trump was watching it on TV, enjoying the show instead of making a right decision and call National Guard. Paralyzed from fear or intentionally enabling more carnage?

[faberryman]

How many people did die?  Do you know the number? Was it 500, 5000?  You're playing word games that have nothing to do with the story that Cuomo's directive killed people and he tried to hide the facts and cover it up.  That's the story.  Respond to that.

Is the following statement true or false? If true, please provide supporting evidence.

Democrat gov Cuomo of  NY created a situation where 13000 old people died of Covid because of his directives.

[Alan Klein]

Yes, it appeared to be deliberate. While Trump was watching it on TV, enjoying the show instead of making a right decision and call National Guard. Paralyzed from fear or intentionally enabling more carnage?

The National Guard offered troops before the event.  The Commander of the Capitol Police, who reports to Nancy Pelosi and other Congressional people and was responsible for protecting Congress, the Senate, and the Capitol, turned them down saying they weren't needed.  I wonder if someone didn't put him up to deny the offer so the demonstration would get out of control.  In any case, he was fired, or forced to resign, for incompetence.  Once the riot got going, approval for releasing the Guard had to be secured through proper channels, typical government SNAFU. So it took a while.  By the way, the article you linked to was incorrect about the cause of death of Officer Sicknick.  There was no fire extinguisher and he wasn't hit with it or anything else. That was made up by someone to make a statement, but it was BS.   The autopsy showed no blunt force at all.  In fact, they really don't know why he died. 

[digitaldog]

Is the following statement true of false? If true, please provide supporting evidence.

It's false and after days of asking, he can't answer the question. He can't provide any facts to back up the quote shown multiple times from his keyboard. He can't tell us if “all original prints are 300 DPI” or not (not), if upgrades from “LR 5 to LR 6 is free” as he wrote (it isn't) or who and where here he was called a liar (never happened), ever admit his posts are wrong. He can't admit these falsehoods, never will. Pointless to ask.

[Alan Klein]

Is the following statement true or false? If true, please provide supporting evidence.

The 13000 are around the number of those who died after the NY Attorney General released a report that showed the original number of around 8500 was underestimated by around 50%.  I just read another report that says the new number is around 15,000 dead.  I assumed the 13,000 was the number they said who died due to his directive.  That's incorrect.  That number can only be approximated.  Currently, it seems that number is around 4000 and going up. 

But the exact number is moot.  Does it matter if it was 400 or 4000?  The issue is his incompetence and coverup as well as a sickening amount of deaths.  If you're trying to prove his actions were Ok because I may have gotten a statistic wrong, the public isn't buying that and you ought to abandon the Cuomo ship before it sinks. 

[Alan Klein]

Captain Cuomo's calling for volunteers to stand by him at the bridge as his ship takes on water.  All you willing to do so line up on the left.

Coverup claims engulf Cuomo as scandal over nursing home deaths grows
The administration’s handling of nursing homes is now a full-blown scandal — a stunning reversal for Cuomo, whose early handling of the pandemic and high-profile daily press briefings earned him soaring approval ratings, an Emmy and a book deal.

Now, many fellow Democrats want to write an epilogue.
https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2021/02/12/coverup-claims-engulf-cuomo-as-scandal-over-nursing-home-deaths-grows-1363353

[faberryman]

I assumed the 13,000 was the number they said who died due to his directive.  That's incorrect.  That number can only be approximated.  Currently, it seems that number is around 4000 and going up.

It has taken three days for you to admit your statement was false.  During those three days, you have hemmed and hawed, and deflected here, there, and everywhere, and taken us up and down rabbit holes, all because you couldn't simply say that the statement was false. What a colossal waste of everyone's time.

So now we have a new statement from you:

"Democrat gov Cuomo of  NY created a situation where 13000 around 4000 and going up old people died of Covid because of his directives."

Do you have any supporting evidence your new number of "around 4000 and going up"?

[Alan Klein]

It has taken three days for you to admit your statement was false. So now we have a new statement from you:

"Democrat gov Cuomo of  NY created a situation where 13000 4000 and going up old people died of Covid because of his directives."

Do you have any supporting evidence your new number of "4000 and going up"?

Do you have any evidence that Cuomo did not direct those sick people home?  That he didn't hide the real number of deaths?  That he didn't try to cover it up?

[Alan Klein]

That's the story.  Not the final number of deaths even if it can ever be figured.

[digitaldog]

Do you have any evidence that Cuomo did not direct those sick people home?  That he didn't hide the real number of deaths?  That he didn't try to cover it up?

Asking you the same question is again pointless and who here brought up the subject in the first place with what he now admits was a bogus number and conclusions? That be the author of numerous fables.
Why you can't give up when absolutely no one has accepted your post(s) indicates why you have so little respect from peers and why no one over days and pages has done anything but dismissed you.
That's not the story; that's fact.

[faberryman]

It has taken three days for you to admit your statement was false.  During those three days, you have hemmed and hawed, and deflected here, there, and everywhere, and taken us up and down rabbit holes, all because you couldn't simply say that the statement was false. What a colossal waste of everyone's time.

So now we have a new statement from you:

"Democrat gov Cuomo of  NY created a situation where 13000 around 4000 and going up old people died of Covid because of his directives."

Do you have any supporting evidence your new number of "around 4000 and going up"?

Do you have any evidence that Cuomo did not direct those sick people home?  That he didn't hide the real number of deaths?  That he didn't try to cover it up?

I will ask you again:

Do you have any supporting evidence your new number of "around 4000 and going up"?

[jeremyrh]

Do you have any evidence that Cuomo did not direct those sick people home?  That he didn't hide the real number of deaths?  That he didn't try to cover it up?

No Do you have any evidence that he didn't fly to the moon?

[digitaldog]

No Do you have any evidence that he didn't fly to the moon?

Does he have any evidence that Cuomo didn't fly to the moon and find it's made of cheese?
The end results of several days of this nonsense: