Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa

[faberryman]

This proves Trump is an idiot. He made a lawyer who called him an idiot on Twitter one of his top lawyers. Forgive and forget I guess. This Jenna Ellis is Rudy Giuliani's sidekick and helped him stage a coup at Trump campaign headquarters in Virginia a couple of days ago.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/18/politics/kfile-jenna-ellis-2016-trump-comments/index.html

Giuliani was pretty much out of the news today. Probably exhausted after arguing conspiracy theories in court yesterday. Someone needs to get him up and going though; he's got a brief due in court on Friday, and is coming up short on evidence. He probably thinks he can get an extension of time since he only got on the case yesterday. Guess again.

[Craig Lamson]

But I don't hate you Joe (or whoever you might be; zero transparency). You don't carry any weight IMHO, or deserve dislike let alone hate. And I don't take you, like Alan at all seriously and there is zero evidence I've ever seen, you deserve respect; as a photographer, as someone knowing anything about EI, or in this context, politics. Maybe you hate that.
“I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate him.”
― Booker T. Washington

This is not really that difficult.

http://www.josephmkitchen.com/

[digitaldog]

This is not really that difficult.

http://www.josephmkitchen.com/

Thank you. I didn’t see anything that changes my opinion already expressed. But thank you anyway

[JoeKitchen]

This is not really that difficult.

http://www.josephmkitchen.com/

Thanks Craig, but I dont need you to defend my work from someone who is still bragging about a book 15 years outdated. 

[digitaldog]

Thanks Craig, but I dont need you to defend my work from someone who is still bragging about a book 15 years outdated.

So you're read it? And you don't have to defend your work, nor do I. Even at the time I was shooting national ad's for Fortune 100 companies.
What you have to defend here is simply your own writings which IMHO, need a lot of defending and show a rather childish approach. As you've admitted to us.
We'll have to agree to disagree but again, while I'm not a fan of creampuffs, I don't hate them either. You are of course subject to believe whatever you desire, based on facts/truth or you own assumptions and confirmation bias.

[Alan Klein]

What would you prefer? Instead of "can be safely ignored", would you prefer "fact-free", "untrue", "wrong", "obviously wrong", "ridiculous", "fantasyland", "gross exaggeration", "sweeping generalization"...?

Opinions come in all shapes and sizes. Some are right, some are wrong. Some are unfounded, some are ill-founded, and some are well-founded. Some are prescient, some are asinine. I could go on, but you get the idea. You keep posting your opinions, and we'll be the judge of what weight to accord them. Nobody is stopping you from posting. Knock yourself out with your posts.

Oh, the people with the facts have a monopoly on the truth, at least until someone comes along with better facts.

I'll just ignore your posts like I will Andrews.  It's easier that way.

[digitaldog]

I'll just ignore your posts like I will Andrews.  It's easier that way.

Oh boy, let's see if he's good to his word.
Easier:

[faberryman]

I'll just ignore your posts like I will Andrews.  It's easier that way.

Oh no!

[digitaldog]

Updated Oct 27, 2020, 08:13pm EDT
TOPLINE President Trump has said the United States is “rounding the turn” – or “corner” or “bend” – on the coronavirus pandemic with shocking consistency over the last two months, a period in which average daily cases have risen sharply.

And today:

Covid-19 has killed 250,000 people in the US. That's 10 times the deaths from car crashes in a year

Time to play more golf, Twitter rage (IN ALL CAPS), watch TV and make sure the next transition team does not have data to address Covid-19. The baby in chief should go down in history as morally corrupt and a deadly actor. Who can justify this insanity.

Alan will ignore the facts that dismissed his ideas of ”isolation and death” being the primary problem:
In less than 10 months, Covid-19 has killed more people than strokes, suicides and car crashes typically do in a full year -- combined.

[faberryman]

Well, it seems Trump will somehow summon up the energy to bestir himself, don his robe and slippers, shuffle his way over to the Rose Garden, and pardon the Thanksgiving turkey on Friday. It is just a warm up for what's coming next.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/18/politics/trump-turkey-pardon-2020/index.html

[Chris Kern]

Opinions come in all shapes and sizes. Some are right, some are wrong. Some are unfounded, some are ill-founded, and some are well-founded. Some are prescient, some are asinine.

I wonder whether you are underestimating the depth of emotion that animates the Trump movement.  What may be objectively true doesn't necessarily ring true to those who have for years been working themselves into a lather about the supposed depredations of "the elites."  Rage almost always trumps reality (pun intended).

One of the most significant challenges facing President Biden and other centrists in both the Democratic and the Republican Parties will be how to craft government programs that will ameliorate that rage—a difficult enough task conceptually that will be made even more difficult as long as populists maintain a stranglehold on the Republicans and Trump, even out of office, is able to make explicit and implicit threats to provoke his right-wing base to attack any sign of moderation.

It's not clear to me whether the Republican Party will be able to regenerate itself.  But every healthy democracy needs a conservative party as well as a liberal one.

[LesPalenik]

Updated Oct 27, 2020, 08:13pm EDT
TOPLINE President Trump has said the United States is “rounding the turn” – or “corner” or “bend” – on the coronavirus pandemic with shocking consistency over the last two months, a period in which average daily cases have risen sharply.

And today:

Covid-19 has killed 250,000 people in the US. That's 10 times the deaths from car crashes in a year

Time to play more golf, Twitter rage (IN ALL CAPS), watch TV and make sure the next transition team does not have data to address Covid-19. The baby in chief should go down in history as morally corrupt and a deadly actor. Who can justify this insanity.

Alan will ignore the facts that dismissed his ideas of ”isolation and death” being the primary problem:
In less than 10 months, Covid-19 has killed more people than strokes, suicides and car crashes typically do in a full year -- combined.

The alarming thing is that the numbers in USA are still rapidly climbing. 173,000 new infections and 1,956 deaths in one day.

[faberryman]

I wonder whether you are underestimating the depth of emotion that animates the Trump movement.

I can identify but not comprehend or explain irrational thoughts and behaviors. It is outside my areas of expertise. I have to leave that task to psychiatrists, psychologists, and perhaps sociologists. I was once told that you cannot have a rational conversation with an irrational person. I need to remind myself of that observation more often. The problem before us as a nation is that is just the sort of conversation we need to be having. I get along fine with rational conservatives and rational liberals alike. Dialog and compromise are possible. With irrational actors, not so much.

[Alan Klein]

I wonder whether you are underestimating the depth of emotion that animates the Trump movement.  What may be objectively true doesn't necessarily ring true to those who have for years been working themselves into a lather about the supposed depredations of "the elites."  Rage almost always trumps reality (pun intended).

One of the most significant challenges facing President Biden and other centrists in both the Democratic and the Republican Parties will be how to craft government programs that will ameliorate that rage—a difficult enough task conceptually that will be made even more difficult as long as populists maintain a stranglehold on the Republicans and Trump, even out of office, is able to make explicit and implicit threats to provoke his right-wing base to attack any sign of moderation.

It's not clear to me whether the Republican Party will be able to regenerate itself.  But every healthy democracy needs a conservative party as well as a liberal one.

It's interesting it seems that it is the anti-Trump people who have acted ragefully emotional, often hysterical, regarding everything Trump has done.  The vile and bile has been mostly from the anti-Trump side. The fact that despite a 90% negative press for five years, he was able to garner 47% and 70 million votes reminds us that a lot of people didn't buy into all that negative stuff. The polls were way off. 

The fact that down-ballot Republicans won so heartily rejecting a "blue wave" means you can't count the Republican party out.  Many former working-class Democrats have shifted allegiance to the Republican party.  The issue is not Republican populism.  Rather, it's Democrat elitism that drives away many middle-of-the-roaders.

[Chris Kern]

I was once told that you cannot have a rational conversation with an irrational person.

A psychiatrist of my acquaintance long ago said something similar to me: "Don't make the mistake of trying to ascribe rational motives to irrational behavior."

After he died, I was surprised to learn that for many years he had helped U.S. government agencies understand the behavior of despotic foreign leaders.  I wonder what he might have thought of Trump.

[digitaldog]

The fact that despite a 90% negative press for five years, he was able to garner 47% and 70 million votes reminds us that a lot of people didn't buy into all that negative stuff. The polls were way off.

What fact, a percentage you made up (again)?
Can you show us the metrics that prove this is factual OR when you believe something, that makes it a fact?
The polls were way off; another massive generalization. Polls have been ongoing for many months, they are a snapshot at the time, with degrees of inaccuracy indicated and not all polls are created equally. Yet again, without a lick of proof, you tell us all the polls were 'way off'. Again, the exact metric of all polls being 'way off' were exactly what Alan?
Inability to prove what you've written only deepens your hole posting here.
"There are two kinds of statistics, the kind you look up, and the kind you make up." -Rex Stout

[Alan Klein]

Sounds about right, and business owners have a right to be pissed.  For all the talk Dems say about liking small businesses, they sure are going out of their way to destroy them.  People are now at the point of disobeying these things and finding loopholes, or at least that is what I see.

My favorite was when the restaurants in Philly were told that no one is allowed to sit at the bar.  The powers to be though never said anything about high-tops directly against the bar for people to sit at and, then, just order from the bartender as per usual. 

But anyway, we are thinking about doing a road trip after Thanksgiving, perhaps to Miami and Dallas, to get away from our own tyrants. 

So here's the Democrat governor of California Newsom violating his own rules at a birthday party for ten in a restaurant, indoors without masks. Masks are for the "little" people. In attendance were the top doctors and lobbyists. They originally claimed it was outdoors.  But another eater at a nearby table memorialized the true situation for history.  I've never seen an outdoor seating with walls, a chandelier, and HVAC ducting in the ceiling.  That's Newson on the left.  The second picture is him and his wife chatting with what appears to be the maitre'd.   And people wonder why the rules are being violated by the "little people".

[John Camp]

I don't know if any of you follow golf. If you don't, you can skip to the next post. For those that do, you probably know that Bryson DeChambeau got all bulked up during the lock down, and now can drive the ball 400 yards using his mega-driver with 48" shaft. Well, he has won a couple of tournaments, including the U.S. Open, which is no small feat, and was the odds on favorite to win the Masters last weekend. Instead he flamed out, and has now thrown his caddy under the bus. Here is his take on it:

"At the beginning of the week, I felt like I could have a great chance to win the tournament if I just played my game," DeChambeau said. "Shoot, I made enough birdies this week and eagles to have a chance to win. There's no doubt about that. I made way too many mistakes that I've got to talk about with my caddie and go, 'Hey, how do we not make these mistakes anymore, how can we work better as a team to have that not happen?'"

Notice "I" made birdies and eagles, but "we" made mistakes. What a putz. Kind of reminds me of Trump.

https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/brandon-tierney-lit-into-bryson-dechambeau-for-throwing-caddie-under-the-bus-01eqbyky48re

DeChambeau really annoys me. Hitting four hundred yard drives isn't golf that anybody recognizes, including most pros. If I were running next year's open, I'd have the fairways about fifteen yards wide from 300 to 400, with a jungle on both sides, where you'd be lucky to find your ball; and if you did, it'd take three strokes to get out of it. The Open is really the biggest problem -- they've made the game one of distance and luck, rather than skill, IMHO. If you hit 400-yard drives, fine, but I'm not going to give you a 400-yard drive that goes *anywhere,* but still allows you to get to the green. You go outside my fifteen-yard fairway, it'll take three shots to get to the green, not one. Don't like it? Tough shit, that's called golf.

I'd also like to see some sharp doglegs, which you hardly see any more on pro courses. You know, like the dogleg is forty yards wide, starting at 210 yards out, and if you hit it 255, you've gone through the fairway and into the jungle and you've almost automatically lost a stroke. Then, with an average 450 yard hole, even if you hit it well, you're going to have to use a long iron to get to the green and long irons are difficult. Making courses like that would achieve two goals: 1) You wouldn't have to keep making the courses bigger and bigger, as they do now, and (2) Smaller players could still compete.

[digitaldog]

So here's the Democrat governor of California Newsom violating his own rules at a birthday party for ten in a restaurant, indoors without masks.".

Oh the horror....
Here is Trump doing the same at a massively larger degree.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/photos-from-trumps-florida-rally-show-supporters-not-wearing-masks-2020-10%3famp
Photos from Trump's Florida rally show supporters close together and not wearing masks even after Trump experienced COVID-19 first hand
Thousands of supporters packed on to the Orlando Sanford International Airport on Monday to hear Trump speak, many of whom did not wear masks or properly socially distance.
Dozens of other examples exist.
Both men are wrong for what happened but one massively more and the leader of the country. Deliberate malpractice.

[digitaldog]

Bad California Gov? Didn't wear a mask at a dinner of ten.

South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem (R), a close ally of President Trump's, has vocally opposed mask mandates and questioned the efficacy of masks as a safeguard against the spread of Covid-19.
Meanwhile, North Dakota's coronavirus mortality rate is the highest of any U.S. state or country on the planet, according to an analysis of data from last week conducted by the Federation of American Scientists.