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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #11020 on: August 18, 2021, 03:33:17 pm »

We have nearly 15,000 stranded Americans, along with 100K+ Afghan allies, now behind enemy lines with, as it appears, little to no interest is rescuing them ourselves.
Rubbish of course.
Here's from that liberal media group: AirForce Times  :)
https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2021/08/16/the-last-runway-out-of-kabul-us-transport-jets-face-complex-evacuation-mission/
Aug 16, 08:18 PM
The U.S. has already evacuated 2,000 Afghans who were eligible for special immigrant visas, President Joe Biden said in a televised address Monday. Biden said his administration intends to move visa-eligible Afghans, American citizens, civilian employees of allied countries, and “other vulnerable Afghans who work for our embassy” out of the country.
"appears little to no interest is rescuing them ourselves"? Another knee jerk fabrication.
More must be done. But that doesn't alter the facts you can't appear to appear!  ;)
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« Reply #11021 on: August 18, 2021, 04:02:19 pm »

We have nearly 15,000 stranded Americans, along with 100K+ Afghan allies, now behind enemy lines with, as it appears, little to no interest is rescuing them ourselves.

A spokesman for the U.S. Defense Department said the military intends to fly one C-17 transport aircraft per hour, 24 hours/day, out of the military side of the Kabul international airport, and to evacuate up to 9000 passengers/day.

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« Reply #11022 on: August 18, 2021, 04:08:36 pm »

A spokesman for the U.S. Defense Department said the military intends to fly one C-17 transport aircraft per hour, 24 hours/day, out of the military side of the Kabul international airport, and to evacuate up to 9000 passengers/day.
Maybe Joe needs to take another few months of sabbatical from the forums, the facts and science are not kind to him once again.
Or maybe even IF 9000 go out a day, it needs to be 18,000 per day before he can state the response doesn't amount to "little to no interest is rescuing them ourselves".  ::)
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« Reply #11023 on: August 18, 2021, 04:18:17 pm »


I took a couple of months off from this site only to come back and see ...  worse then what it is now.

Take a few more, wouldja please?
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« Reply #11024 on: August 18, 2021, 04:20:38 pm »

Take a few more, wouldja please?
Come on: Without such absurdity, we would have no one to laugh at. Lets thank him for his contribution to the forums.
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« Reply #11025 on: August 18, 2021, 04:25:02 pm »

And after Tucker, that major asshole, this elected official, a darling of the 'right' and Fox 'news' Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Georgia stated:
"GA shouldn’t welcome Afghan refugees while 1,000’s of Americans are stranded," Greene tweeted, questioning how much allowing the refugees would cost taxpayers.
Can we send Joe down there to 'bitch slap' her? Oh, that's going to be politically incorrect.... maybe not, Kevin McCarthy was fine 'joking' about hitting a women with a gavel.   

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« Reply #11026 on: August 18, 2021, 06:50:01 pm »

A spokesman for the U.S. Defense Department said the military intends to fly one C-17 transport aircraft per hour, 24 hours/day, out of the military side of the Kabul international airport, and to evacuate up to 9000 passengers/day.

Well, here's hoping he was telling the truth, although I would really like to hear it from our President, you know, the person where the buck stops at.  Instead he is taking no tough questions (and dont make me laugh by saying little Georgy is getting all the details out of him), and is avoiding talking about why we ended up here. 

But all that still belies the fact that it is up to each person to figure out how to get to the airport, which is in a defenseless position geographically, themselves through the Taliban now.  I am sure many are not within walking distance even with 13 days. 

Plus the Taliban is not an organized military like ours; they are a disjoint force where individual units may or may not listen to leadership.  There is no guarantee that any Taliban Unit may not just kill you for trying to get there.  They are already doing this to Afghans; how long before it happens to an American.   

This whole thing is a complete disgrace and was totally foreseeable, but old slow Joe really wanted a win for the 20th anniversary of 9/11.  If I was running the Taliban, the fireworks for a September 11th Kabul celebration would already be ordered, along with banners thanking Biden for the country.  This is a total embarrassment; it will be used as a terrorism recruitment tool for years to come.  Not to mention it has destroyed our credibility to our allies; no one can really trust us anymore with Biden in the White House. 


PS, it just came out that Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin stated that we will not be rescuing any Americans who can not make it to the airport and that they will only continue evacuations until the clock runs out, presumably implying, come hell or high water, they are leaving on the 31st.  How nice, abandoning fellow Americans who are in this situation not due to their incompetence but Biden's. 
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« Reply #11027 on: August 18, 2021, 06:52:29 pm »

Take a few more, wouldja please?

I got bored of not seeing your gullibility at believing any and all left wing conspiracy theories, and posting about them. 
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« Reply #11028 on: August 18, 2021, 07:07:39 pm »

I got bored of not seeing your gullibility at believing any and all left wing conspiracy theories, and posting about them.
The absurd is the last refuge of a pundit without an argument.
Thanks for another post that is absurdly hilarious. 
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« Reply #11029 on: August 18, 2021, 09:07:17 pm »

This whole thing is a complete disgrace and was totally foreseeable, but old slow Joe really wanted a win for the 20th anniversary of 9/11.
How soon some forget Trump and actual history:

GOP Removes Page Praising Donald Trump's 'Historic' Peace Deal With Taliban
https://www.newsweek.com/gop-removes-webpage-praising-trumps-historic-peace-deal-taliban-1619605
The Republican National Committee has removed a webpage from 2020 in which it praised Donald Trump for signing a "historic peace agreement with the Taliban."
The Trump administration which first brokered a deal to withdraw troops from the region.
In the now-deleted GOP webpage, it is stated that Trump negotiated a deal for the withdrawals by May 2021 "in exchange for a Taliban agreement to not allow Afghanistan to be used for transnational terrorism."
Upon his arrival in the White House, Biden instead decided to instigate a total withdrawal from Afghanistan, setting a deadline of August 31 for completion.

Trump, always easy to laugh at too, like the guy above, said the other day: The Taliban Has Been 'fighting For A 1000 Years', Calls Them 'good Fighters'
The Taliban emerged in Kandahar in 1994, which is 27 years ago. Stable Genius, no. Stable moron indeed.....
Joe, if your new, knee jerk statement above doesn't appear absurd to you, it should.
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« Reply #11030 on: August 18, 2021, 09:41:02 pm »

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This whole thing is a complete disgrace and was totally foreseeable, but old slow Joe really wanted a win for the 20th anniversary of 9/11.  ...

I know you like to pin everything on Biden, I get that, but I've read several articles now about the rapid collapse of the Afghan military which points to yet another failure of US intelligence. That kind of failure didn't start last election, it's been brewing for a while, maybe even 20 years. On the face of it, I don't think it's possible to accuse the US of knowing Afghanistan very well, and that ignorance didn't start in the last few months. If Biden did some things wrong, well, he'll have to join the queue.

I don't catch Maddow often, but I liked this recent rant, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1xWpFLWa0M. So yes, the US poured a lot of money into Afghanistan, but did the cash actually end up in the coffers of Bechtel and Halliburton and the other contractors and armament suppliers, and what purpose did THAT serve?

I find the current handwringing about Afghanistan a bit beside the point. I see it mostly as fodder for making political hay. I suspect that the number of people worldwide who give a damn about Afghans or their country rounds to zero, to first order approximation. That may be a bit cynical, and I'd accept that accusation, but this is just so much déjà vu.

Good piece by Gwynne Dyer about it all, https://gwynnedyer.com/2021/afghanistan-how-did-they-think-it-would-end/.

I also see some stories appearing about how terrible the Taliban are. Believable enough, I suppose, but are they any worse than some of the despotic regimes the US has been allied with over the last 5-6 decades. This kind of moral angle doesn't sway me much. To be doubly cynical, am I supposed to believe that a bunch of politicians in Washington suddenly care about Afghan women? A day late and dollar short.
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« Reply #11031 on: August 18, 2021, 11:13:35 pm »

I am trying not to be rude, but this such a festering pile of pig spittle. The idea of sterilizing is completely irrelevant for RNA vaccines, there is nothing alive or potentially alive in them to need sterilization. Since you don't know anything about vaccines maybe you should SHUT UP about them. And your percentages for vaccinated people "becoming seriously ill and hospitalised" is so amazingly wrong that I really don't know what to say. The true numbers are that only about 1% of people being hospitalized for covid have been vaccinated.
Perhaps you haven't come across the term before.
Sterilising immunity. It's completely relevant. Here's a couple of links:
https://www.verywellhealth.com/covid-19-vaccines-and-sterilizing-immunity-5092148
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32582220/

Since you are unable to use google, here's a link to one example of of the high number of the fully vaccinated catching the illness and hospitalised:
https://twitter.com/ranisraeli/status/1423322271503028228
Here's an opposing view that says it's only 59% of critical cases being fully vaccinated:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delta
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« Reply #11032 on: August 18, 2021, 11:20:57 pm »

Ah, Twitter for reference; perfect. Another American summed up this performance today by writing:
“Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.” Martin Luther King
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« Reply #11033 on: August 19, 2021, 09:04:29 am »

I know you like to pin everything on Biden, I get that, but I've read several articles now about the rapid collapse of the Afghan military which points to yet another failure of US intelligence. That kind of failure didn't start last election, it's been brewing for a while, maybe even 20 years. On the face of it, I don't think it's possible to accuse the US of knowing Afghanistan very well, and that ignorance didn't start in the last few months. If Biden did some things wrong, well, he'll have to join the queue.

I don't catch Maddow often, but I liked this recent rant, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1xWpFLWa0M. So yes, the US poured a lot of money into Afghanistan, but did the cash actually end up in the coffers of Bechtel and Halliburton and the other contractors and armament suppliers, and what purpose did THAT serve?

I find the current handwringing about Afghanistan a bit beside the point. I see it mostly as fodder for making political hay. I suspect that the number of people worldwide who give a damn about Afghans or their country rounds to zero, to first order approximation. That may be a bit cynical, and I'd accept that accusation, but this is just so much déjà vu.

Good piece by Gwynne Dyer about it all, https://gwynnedyer.com/2021/afghanistan-how-did-they-think-it-would-end/.

I also see some stories appearing about how terrible the Taliban are. Believable enough, I suppose, but are they any worse than some of the despotic regimes the US has been allied with over the last 5-6 decades. This kind of moral angle doesn't sway me much. To be doubly cynical, am I supposed to believe that a bunch of politicians in Washington suddenly care about Afghan women? A day late and dollar short.

The failure of the Afghan military in this situation is solely due to Biden.  We trained them to only be effective with air support, like our military and like with the South Vietnam military.  This is of course not Biden's doing, but it was Biden who took away all USA air support this year and would not allow US contractors to help maintain the Afghan's airplanes.  Military airplanes require a lot of maintenance (my best friend was an aircraft mechanic in the Navy), so it was only a matter of time until the Afghans no longer had air support.  At that point, they were nullified. 

But here's the thing, we all knew this would happen because the same thing happened in South Vietnam.  Both SV and Afghanistan were trained to be rich country militaries, only they were not rich and could support themselves.  Biden is not a novice; he was in the Senate when Saigon fell.  Likewise, his administration are leftover Obama people.  He, and they, should have known better.  They made the same mistakes. 

Having a president that make the same mistake over and over again, puts us at a strategic loss since adversaries will be able to predict how they should engage to maximize the greatest damage to us and minimize damage to them. 

I get the last point you made, and I am sure many, right now, dont really give a damn about Afghans.  But the main point here is to keep terrorist organizations from having a safe haven to plan attacks against the West, and how this operation should have been framed from the beginning.  Of Course GWB is at fault for reframing our presence as nation building, but that does not take away from the main point we were there to stop terrorist cells from forming and to also have a base of operations in the region.  When they reform, and they will, and plan attacks against the West, people will start to care.  You can write it off like Obama did with ISIS (the "JV Team" as he put it), but anyone looking at this knows where it is going. 

On top of that, Pakistan is now allying itself with the Taliban, which will great effect how Pakistan works with the west.  Iran, to the west, is obviously not going to give us any favors.  China, to the North, is already planing to take advantage of rare earth mining, and will not be interested in giving us any base of operations.  Anyone know if Turkmenistan is on friendly terms with the West?  Point being, we will not have any nearby bases to utilize when Al Qaeda and ISIS reform.   
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« Reply #11034 on: August 19, 2021, 09:16:56 am »

So I have to give credit where it is due, George Stephanopoulos was better in his interview of the president then I thought he would have been.  I still would have rather seen a real journalist, like Tapper or Wallace do the interview, but George was on point. 

My biggest take away was that, according to President Biden, if a teenager in sheer desperation decided to cling to an USA military airplane only to fall to his death shortly after take off and "that was four days ago, five days ago," C'mon on man, who cares, that's history, give us a break! 

Perhaps if it was 3 or less days ago we can talk about it, but dont insult the president by bringing up 4 day old news of a child falling to his death from one of our airplanes.  It's just bad form I guess. 

Biden On Afghans Falling From Planes: "That Was Four Days Ago, Five Days Ago"
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« Reply #11035 on: August 19, 2021, 09:36:52 am »

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The failure of the Afghan military in this situation is solely due to Biden.  We trained them to only be effective with air support, like our military and like with the South Vietnam military.
This is of course not Biden's doing.
We again see someone who never lets complete ignorance of a subject (in this case the training of the Afghan army & their actual Air Force) get in the way of having strong opinions about it.
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« Reply #11036 on: August 19, 2021, 11:40:52 am »

Perhaps you haven't come across the term before.
Sterilising immunity. It's completely relevant. Here's a couple of links:
https://www.verywellhealth.com/covid-19-vaccines-and-sterilizing-immunity-5092148
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32582220/

Since you are unable to use google, here's a link to one example of of the high number of the fully vaccinated catching the illness and hospitalised:
https://twitter.com/ranisraeli/status/1423322271503028228
Here's an opposing view that says it's only 59% of critical cases being fully vaccinated:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delta

Thanks for the links on sterilizing immunity. I was not aware of this. But the fact is that it's almost entirely irrelevant. The vaccines are extremely effective at preventing symptoms, serious illness, hospitalization, and death. And if you can still pass on covid, so what? *IF* other people are also vaccinated. Just because a vaccine is not perfect is not a reason to reject it.

And do you really want to cite Twitter as a source? It reeks of being pure garbage just on the face of it. Particularly in light of the reams of data from legitimate sources saying that only 1-2% of hospitalized patients are fully vaccinated.
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« Reply #11037 on: August 19, 2021, 12:24:21 pm »

But the fact is that it's almost entirely irrelevant. The vaccines are extremely effective at preventing symptoms, serious illness, hospitalization, and death. And if you can still pass on covid, so what? *IF* other people are also vaccinated. Just because a vaccine is not perfect is not a reason to reject it.
Exactly! Entirely irrelevant.
But such facts are not sinking in for some: It is impossible to puncture the unreality bubble surrounding a fact denier. We can only attempt to sway those with open minds.
All this 'talk' of sterilizing immunity may be of interest, fine. The result of the current Covid-19 vaccines was outlined (the world placed in bold for those readers who type before fully reading) before sterilizing immunity was even brought up. IOW, kind of a distraction from what you factually point out above. And I pointed out long before the OT sterilizing immunity was mentioned.
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« Reply #11038 on: August 19, 2021, 09:49:18 pm »

Incredible that this insanity is still going on, https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/19/arizona-audit-elections-trump-report-506324. Who is funding this nonsense.

In this podcast interview https://www.npr.org/2021/08/05/1025136598/the-dark-money-effort-to-win-elections-at-all-costs, the interviewee, A New Yorker reporter, discusses the situation in some states that are passing (or attempting to pass) legislation that will give the state legislature the right to decide their electoral college vote, thereby setting aside the desires of the voters in those states. This is being done in Republican controlled Trumpistan states, of course. Can you imagine the outcry from Tucker and others if this were being attempted in non-Republican states?
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« Reply #11039 on: August 19, 2021, 09:50:46 pm »

The failure of the Afghan military in this situation is solely due to Biden.  ...

This is far-fetched.
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