Topic: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems) (Read 257136 times)

Alan Klein · « **Reply #1000 on:** August 20, 2020, 12:08:23 pm »

Quote from: MattBurt on August 20, 2020, 11:54:22 am

Amazing! 45 is definitely setting records here. It's tremendous, terrific, and classy.
Has any other administration ever had even a fraction of the indictments his has? To quote the man himself, "Nobody has ever seen anything like this before.".
MAGA!

The four aren't part of his administration. Bannon was fired three years ago. The other three never worked for Trump.

jeremyrh · « **Reply #1001 on:** August 20, 2020, 12:10:56 pm »

Quote from: Alan Klein on August 20, 2020, 12:08:23 pm

The four aren't part of his administration. Bannon was fired three years ago. The other three never worked for Trump.

I see - so nothing to do with Trump at all then. Thanks for clearing that up.

Robert Roaldi · « **Reply #1002 on:** August 20, 2020, 12:13:09 pm »

Quote from: Alan Klein on August 20, 2020, 07:45:24 am

Goodyear's policy allows sloganeering for Black Lives Matter but not Blue Lives Matter or All Lives Matter. So they've taken a political position supporting Biden's views but not Trumps during a presidential election. So Trump is making an issue of it.Trump is feeding into the anger on the right about Democrats controlled cities that are going after the police and supporting left wing organizations like BLM. He's reminding voters they have a choice about some big issues. The left would prefer the voters forget about democrat fecklessness and weakness in the face of riots and mayhem they allowed.

You've gone off on too many tangents for me. Is BLM running for election somewhere?

Why is pursuing diversity training anti-Trump? What ARE you talking about, I've lost track.

The President chose to perceive something going on at a company as a sleight against him and he opted to use the power of his office to try to punish them. And you're doubling down on Obama trying to sunset the coal industry as an equivalent? That ridiculous leap doesn't meet my minimum standard for rational conversation.

MattBurt · « **Reply #1003 on:** August 20, 2020, 12:48:27 pm »

Quote from: Alan Klein on August 20, 2020, 12:08:23 pm

The four aren't part of his administration. Bannon was fired three years ago. The other three never worked for Trump.

Right, I know he is a former admin official but even without Bannon he is setting records.

John Camp · « **Reply #1004 on:** August 20, 2020, 01:34:14 pm »

Quote from: PeterAit on August 20, 2020, 09:46:43 am

So you haver missed Trump sniveling about low-flow shower heads?

I sympathize with Trump on this issue -- a guy his size could take forever to get clean in a low-flow shower. He probably could use a fire hose.

TechTalk · « **Reply #1005 on:** August 20, 2020, 02:55:58 pm »

Quote from: Alan Klein on August 20, 2020, 11:32:13 am

Bannon isn't a dummy. Could he be that dumb to steal charitable funds, have three witnesses and leave a paper trail? If so, he should go to jail just for stupidity.

Why not? Trump stole charitable funds from his foundation for personal business and political purposes. Should he go to jail in addition to the two million dollar fine that he paid and the forced shutdown of the charity?

https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2019/donald-j-trump-pays-court-ordered-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation

https://www.google.com/www.washingtonpost.com/trump-misuse-of-charity-funds

jeremyrh · « **Reply #1006 on:** August 20, 2020, 03:01:21 pm »

Quote from: John Camp on August 20, 2020, 01:34:14 pm

I sympathize with Trump on this issue -- a guy his size could take forever to get clean in a low-flow shower. He probably could use a fire hose.

Think what a fire hose would do to his hair :-(

MattBurt · « **Reply #1007 on:** August 20, 2020, 03:02:51 pm »

Really I think they are more arrogant than objectively dumb. But it makes them do dumb things. But I don't think MENSA will be courting them anytime soon.

Robert Roaldi · « **Reply #1008 on:** August 20, 2020, 03:05:16 pm »

Quote from: Alan Klein on August 20, 2020, 11:32:13 am

They should go to jail if true. But why the charges now so close to the election?

In the US you are ALWAYS close to an election.

Alan Klein · « **Reply #1009 on:** August 20, 2020, 04:06:43 pm »

Trump's first opponent Hillary Clinton made $100's of millions for her foundation while she was Secr of State. Trump's current opponent Joe Biden protected his son who got a sweetheart deal from Ukraine and China for millions for doing nothing other than having an American VP for his father. What Bannon did, if he did it, was wrong. But Trump had nothing to do with fraud if it occurred.

PeterAit · « **Reply #1010 on:** August 20, 2020, 04:36:48 pm »

Here's a serious question for the Trump supporters here. I am not trying to play "gotcha" or one-upmanship, but really want to know the answer.

Over 70 former national security advisors to GOP presidents (Reagan, both Bushes, and Trump) have issued a scathing indictment of Trump as a threat to the nation, and announced that they will vote for Biden. Here's one of many reports:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/512954-over-70-of-former-gop-national-security-officials-endorse-biden

How can ANYONE who cares about the country support this man? I just don't get it.

Alan Klein · « **Reply #1011 on:** August 20, 2020, 04:45:50 pm »

Quote from: PeterAit on August 20, 2020, 04:36:48 pm

Here's a serious question for the Trump supporters here. I am not trying to play "gotcha" or one-upmanship, but really want to know the answer.

Over 70 former national security advisors to GOP presidents (Reagan, both Bushes, and Trump) have issued a scathing indictment of Trump as a threat to the nation, and announced that they will vote for Biden. Here's one of many reports:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/512954-over-70-of-former-gop-national-security-officials-endorse-biden

How can ANYONE who cares about the country support this man? I just don't get it.

Trump attacked the CIA and other intelligence services as being incompetent. Also, they are part of the Republican establishment that Trump ran against. They resent him. HAte him. The CIA created the mess in Iran when they overthrew the government, helped get us into VietNam, Iraq (WMD), and was involved in going after Trump with the FBI regarding Russian "Collusion". The CIA Director called Trump a traitor lying about Trump colluding with the Russians. The Democrats will be marching all these phony Republicans out between now and the election. What they aren;t considering is that they may help Republicans lose the Senate in the process so much do they hate Trump.

MattBurt · « **Reply #1012 on:** August 20, 2020, 04:49:53 pm »

I was about to answer "Crazy deep state conspiracies." but I see someone beat me to it.

TechTalk · « **Reply #1013 on:** August 20, 2020, 04:50:09 pm »

Quote from: Alan Klein on August 20, 2020, 04:06:43 pm

What Bannon did, if he did it, was wrong. But Trump had nothing to do with fraud if it occurred.

Trump had his own charitable foundation which he defrauded.

Peter McLennan · « **Reply #1014 on:** August 20, 2020, 04:51:00 pm »

Quote from: PeterAit on August 20, 2020, 04:36:48 pm

Over 70 former national security advisors to GOP presidents (Reagan, both Bushes, and Trump) have issued a scathing indictment of Trump
...
I just don't get it.

Can't you see? They're all working on their get-rich-quick, tell-all books. Open your eyes, man!

MattBurt · « **Reply #1015 on:** August 20, 2020, 04:51:47 pm »

Quote from: TechTalk on August 20, 2020, 04:50:09 pm

Trump had his own charitable foundation which he defrauded.

Weird coincidence, isn't it?

Alan Klein · « **Reply #1016 on:** August 20, 2020, 05:13:22 pm »

Diogenes would have a tough time in Washington.

TechTalk · « **Reply #1017 on:** August 20, 2020, 06:11:42 pm »

Quote from: Alan Klein on August 20, 2020, 04:45:50 pm

Trump attacked the CIA and other intelligence services as being incompetent.

The incompetent attacking the incompetent. Sort of like the blind leading the blind.

Trump has no knowledge or experience with the nature, capabilities, and the limitations of intelligence gathering and analysis which is often more like figuring out a jigsaw puzzle with a lot of pieces missing than observing a complete picture. And he, for some reason, seems perfectly willing to accept what Russia says regarding intelligence matters and to repeat Russian propaganda.

Maybe we would be better off with someone that has decades of experience in dealing with sensitive intelligence matters. Someone that has seen the successes and failures and understands how both occur and what questions to ask when briefed. Actually, just having someone that pays attention to briefings would be an improvement.

James Clark · « **Reply #1018 on:** August 20, 2020, 06:46:23 pm »

Quote from: MattBurt on August 20, 2020, 04:49:53 pm

I was about to answer "Crazy deep state conspiracies." but I see someone beat me to it.

"QAnon for 1000, Alex?"

BobShaw · « **Reply #1019 on:** August 20, 2020, 07:33:40 pm »

Quote from: Robert Roaldi on August 20, 2020, 03:05:16 pm

In the US you are ALWAYS close to an election.

That's true. They are only in for 4 years and spend two of those campaigning for re-election.
I don't know why they bother as they don't even have an opposition candidate until 6 months out. You'd have to be bad to lose.

Our guys call an election and it can be over in three weeks.

Poll

Who do you think will be sworn in as President on Jan. 21?

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