US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)

Biden

14 (66.7%)

Trump

7 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: November 02, 2020, 06:25:59 pm

[jeremyrh]

Maybe they are banning political clothing because too many fist fights have broken out on the factory floor.

Or maybe the KKK hoods kept getting caught in machines.

[Alan Klein]

And in that scenario you believe that Democrats would cheat more than Republicans, and therefore steal the election. Do you have any evidence to support the premise that the Democrats would cheat more than the Republicans?

Here's the evidence.

In my Democrat favored and controlled state of New Jersey, they Democrat Governor is going to send out ballots willy nilly.  Here's an interest tidbit from the article. Apparently we have a very lively and civic dead population.   Who knew?

"Clark links to a 2016 investigation by the New Jersey outlet Asbury Park Press that found 2,460 voters on the rolls who had been dead for at least five years, nearly 60 of whom had apparently cast votes after they died."
https://www.app.com/story/news/investigations/data/2016/10/19/dead-voters-in-new-jersey/92366510/

[Alan Klein]

So you disagree with corporations pressing their employees to contribute to PACs which then fund specific candidates?

Yes I disagree. Of course unions do something similar thing when they support politicians when many members of the union may not.  Actually its worse because public service unions especially are supporting the very politicians that they'll negotiate their member's salaries and benefits with.  Which is why government pensions are going broke.  Not that I'm complaining because me and my wife gets them. 

[Alan Klein]

I don't watch NBA games so I wouldn't have a clue what they are up to. I also don't watch NFL games and if "Kap" refers to Kaepernick, I am generally familiar with that. I know that Trump likes to grouse about that a lot. I know Goodyear makes tires but to my knowledge have never owned any. Really, who cares if Goodyear like BLM and not Trump.

I don't know why corporations can't be political. The Supreme Court said they are persons and can contribute obscene amounts of money to political campaigns.

Just in.

"Goodyear tumbles 6% after Trump tweets to boycott the company over MAGA hat ban"
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/goodyear-stock-price-president-trump-tweets-boycott-maga-ban-tire-2020-8-1029518025?utm_campaign=browser_notification&utm_source=desktop

[Alan Klein]

Trump is playing a shrewd game.  What he's telling corporations is that support my enemies and go against me at your peril.  Two can play that game.
Better you take no position at all then do what Goodyear and Twitter are doing. Either allow both sides or no sides.

[Robert Roaldi]

He's pushing back against the left's call to ban corporations who don't follow the left's demands. 

Give us some examples of that.

[Robert Roaldi]

The issue is BLM is a political organization, not to mention a trademarked slogan so any piece of clothing will provide funds to the organization, fighting to take down capitalism, replace it with socialism, and destroy the nuclear family (its on their website).  To approve that but not allow support for other political organizations is not being unpolitical. 

If you want to argue well we should be able to seperate the slogan "Black Lives Matter" from the organization since it an obvious statement, then we should also be able to separate "Make America Great Again" from Trump since it too is an obvious statement.

I think there's a difference between supporting or not supporting political movements, and shilling for a party or candidate that's standing for election.

[Robert Roaldi]

Trump is playing a shrewd game.  What he's telling corporations is that support my enemies and go against me at your peril.  Two can play that game.
Better you take no position at all then do what Goodyear and Twitter are doing. Either allow both sides or no sides.

What do you mean both sides? Do they allow their employees to wear pro-Biden swag?

[Robert Roaldi]

Sure, and I am also embarrassed when Democratic politicians do the same, and they have been doing so for years.  .

I'd like to see some examples.

[Robert Roaldi]

Not to mention if a company wants to get political, which Goodyear did, they better be ready for the reaction.   

They decided to NOT get political. To be more precise, they asked that their employees not display partisan swag at work, something that is a good idea, imo.

[Robert Roaldi]

Trump is playing a shrewd game.  What he's telling corporations is that support my enemies and go against me at your peril. 

So you think it's ok to use presidential power to harm a corporation that doesn't support him? Do you understand what a democracy is?

Should Trump jail registered Democrats then?

Should he call for a ban on all corporations that don't contribute money to his election?

[JoeKitchen]

Or maybe the KKK hoods kept getting caught in machines.

That was a good one! 

[JoeKitchen]

Well it'd be a strange turnaround if the "trained Marxists" (whatever that means) were relying on T-shirt sales, whereas on the streets of Portland, Donald Trump is proving the truth of Mao's dictum that "politocal power grows out of the barrel of a gun".

Annnnnnnd no. 

The violence in Portland had been going on for 50+ days before Trump sent in federal troops to protect the court house from being burned down.  BTW, what was the federal government suppose to, let it burn down or just take all federal services (courts, social security, etc) out of Portland?  And now, after Trump pulled out those troops, the violence is still going.  You really need to check your news. 

[JoeKitchen]

I don't watch NBA games so I wouldn't have a clue what they are up to. I also don't watch NFL games and if "Kap" refers to Kaepernick, I am generally familiar with that. I know that Trump likes to grouse about that a lot. I know Goodyear makes tires but to my knowledge have never owned any. Really, who cares if Goodyear like BLM and not Trump.

I don't know why corporations can't be political. The Supreme Court said they are persons and can contribute obscene amounts of money to political campaigns.

Yes, I was referring to him; I just did not feel like looking up how to spell his name. 

[JoeKitchen]

Give us some examples of that.

Chic-fil-La has been banned by many lefties in different areas including not being allowed to bid for spots in new airports, to give one example. 

Chick-fil-A banned from second airport in two weeks

[Peter McLennan]

Chic-fil-La has been banned by many lefties in different areas including not being allowed to bid for spots in new airports, to give one example. 

Chick-fil-A banned from second airport in two weeks

Banned because they discriminate against LGBTQ, not for their political affiliation (ie MAGA)

That type of discrimination is prohibited by federal law, is it not?

[JoeKitchen]

Banned because they discriminate against LGBTQ, not for their political affiliation (ie MAGA)

That type of discrimination is prohibited by federal law, is it not?

No, they do not discriminate against LGBTQ+S (get it right next time!  ), and are open to hire or serve anyone.  I realized I provided the link for the google search, but in the article that shows up, they state this.  So their ban has nothing to do with this.  Try to at least be a little informed. 

The problem the left has is they make donations to religious groups that the left does not agree with, like the Salvation Army. 

But anyway, going over the highlights of the infomercial, and the gaslighting is amazing. 

[Alan Klein]

Give us some examples of that.

Stop watching CNN only.

[PeterAit]

What do you mean both sides? Do they allow their employees to wear pro-Biden swag?

A bit ironic -- anyone who seriously wants to make America "great again" will be voting for Biden.

[Alan Klein]

What do you mean both sides? Do they allow their employees to wear pro-Biden swag?

Twitter shut down Trump's comments only. Many corporations are playing politics to help their bottom line.  They take the left's position on issues that Biden supports opposite to what Trump supports. So they oppose Trump. They shut down positions in their business that supports Trump's policies. It's all the same.  Since Republicans don't play these games like Democrats do, Trump will.  He's always been a fighter.  Hit him.  He hits back twice as hard.  Exactly what we need in an American President. Not someone feckless like some past presidents.