Color profiling the Epson V850 Pro scanner

[Alan Klein]

Unit came with X-rite i1 Scanner profile software. I can't find the Reference files in Product data to match the color transparency. Has anyone set this up? I trying to use it with the Epsonscan software which it's suppose to work with as well as the also furnished Silverfast scan software. I scanned the 4x5 transparency furnished by X-rite using Epsonscan flat, no scan adjustments.  The transparency is labelled IT8, 7/1-1993 MONT45:2019:03.  But when I look in their Program Data files, it isn't there.  Any help would be appreciated. 

[digitaldog]

You got the 4x5 where?

[Alan Klein]

It came with the Epson V850 Pro.

[Alan Klein]

The transparency which is 4x5 is labelled IT8, 7/1-1993  Mont45:2019:03.  But it isn't in the Windows  Program Data folder in X-rite folder.   There are a bunch of others, but not this one.  Also, there is no similar file for the Reflective color print which is labelled, IT8: 7/2-1993  MONR 2019:02-1 Version 2.  There's also a note in the X-rite software box that says to use Version 2 for Epson Scan and not ICC Profile 4.

[Alan Klein]

This is the transparency.  I scanned in flat with no adjustment to the V850.  It's saved in my computer as a tiff as recommended although this is the jpeg.

[digitaldog]

It came with the Epson V850 Pro.

With SliverFast?

[Alan Klein]

Yes.  It has Silverfast.  But I'm using Epsonscan and it's suppose to work with that too.  There's a note that refers to Epson Scan in  my earlier post.  MAybe there's a problem with how i loaded the X-rite software.  After it loaded from the CD that came with the V850, it said there's a later version to download which I did.  Maybe I shouldn't have.  I could try to uninstall it and start over?

[digitaldog]

Yes.  It has Silverfast.  But I'm using Epsonscan and it's suppose to work with that too.  There's a note that refers to Epson Scan in  my earlier post.  MAybe there's a problem with how i loaded the X-rite software.  After it loaded from the CD that came with the V850, it said there's a later version to download which I did.  Maybe I shouldn't have.  I could try to uninstall it and start over?

You get the TDF for that target FROM Lasersoft.
https://www.silverfast.com/it8calibration/en.html

[Alan Klein]

Bear with me, I'm confused.  can I get the associate file to the trasnparency from Lasersoft snd still use Epsonscan software rather than Silverfast?  Also, there is a bar code but it's not on the color trasnparency but rather on the glassine that holds it.  So it doesn't appear on the transparency jpeg I posted here. Under the bar is the following: *411313405*

[digitaldog]

Get the TDF, build profile with Silverfast. Use it outside of Silverfast? Maybe. Maybe not.
You want to be using Silverfast....

[Alan Klein]

Get the TDF, build profile with Silverfast. Use it outside of Silverfast? Maybe. Maybe not.
You want to be using Silverfast....

Silverfast was my next project to try.  But I've been using Epsonscan for years.  I wanted to try profiler with that since I have so many medium format film shots that I scanned that I could try again.  By the way, I'scanned the color trasnparency furnished  flat.  Somewhere I read to not use auto and color adjustments just keeping the level above 0 and below 255.  When you scan flat on the Epson, everything gets grayed out.  So I hope that's OK.  When I looked at an instruction video, her monitor of the colors looked pretty dark like mine did.  Is that the right approach?

[Alan Klein]

PS  I went to the Silverfast site and can't find the file to match the info on the transparency or  the reflective photo.  SO how would it work with Silverfast?  Silverfast says if the bar code is there, it would automatically look for the associate color file.

[degrub]

Maybe this is wrong, but there is a web link provided on the target for the reference file that you need. It does not appear to be a Silverfast target.

[Alan Klein]

OK I found the file on the X-rite site and created the ICC profile.  It is saved in C:windows\system32\spool\drivers\color.  So it's in there.  So now how do I link that up so the profile is used when I scan with Epson scan? Also, do I use the profile with my NEC PA242W  monitor?

[unesco]

Your transparency reference is not from SilverFast, it has a different patch structure on the very right side compared to SF ones. So, no doubt you could not find it.

According to theory, you should:
1) scan your target with all color management/manipulation off (in my V500 driver it is under "Configuration" button --> "No color correction")
2) do the profiling with X-Rite or any other software,
3) scan your other transparencies with the same settings
4) e.g. in PS do "Assign profile" to the scanned image with the profile created (NOT "Convert to profile"!!!).

Your monitor profile is in a different color management path and has nothing in common with scanner profile. Monitor should be profiled/calibrated separately.

[degrub]

OK I found the file on the X-rite site and created the ICC profile.  It is saved in C:windows\system32\spool\drivers\color.  So it's in there.  So now how do I link that up so the profile is used when I scan with Epson scan? Also, do I use the profile with my NEC PA242W  monitor?

Did  you buy the Spectraview kit when you got the monitor ?

[saiguy]

The V850 comes with SilverFast SE Plus. You need to upgrade to SF 8 Ai. Then you will have the full power and functionality. Profiling the scanner is a 1 click process and it will put the profile in its proper place. When you do your next prescan you will see the profile at the bottom of the GUI.

You do not assign the profile in PS. It is used to adjust the colors the scanner is reporting to the known values of the target.

SF is the gold standard.

[Alan Klein]

Did  you buy the Spectraview kit when you got the monitor ?

Yes.

[Alan Klein]

The V850 comes with SilverFast SE Plus. You need to upgrade to SF 8 Ai. Then you will have the full power and functionality. Profiling the scanner is a 1 click process and it will put the profile in its proper place. When you do your next prescan you will see the profile at the bottom of the GUI.

You do not assign the profile in PS. It is used to adjust the colors the scanner is reporting to the known values of the target.

SF is the gold standard.

How do I get it to work with Epson Scan?

[Alan Klein]

Your transparency reference is not from SilverFast, it has a different patch structure on the very right side compared to SF ones. So, no doubt you could not find it.

According to theory, you should:
1) scan your target with all color management/manipulation off (in my V500 driver it is under "Configuration" button --> "No color correction")
2) do the profiling with X-Rite or any other software,
3) scan your other transparencies with the same settings
4) e.g. in PS do "Assign profile" to the scanned image with the profile created (NOT "Convert to profile"!!!).

Your monitor profile is in a different color management path and has nothing in common with scanner profile. Monitor should be profiled/calibrated separately.

I don't have PS.  I use Lightroom 6 (purchased) and Photoshop Elements 2020.