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LesPalenik

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6740 on: August 04, 2020, 10:04:42 am »

The Atlantic and it's editor are anti-Trump. They endorse Democrats including Hillary Clinton.  It's not the place to look if you want balance, especially before an election.

Yes, they are anti-Trump. In this report, they are also factual.
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« Reply #6741 on: August 04, 2020, 10:05:46 am »

The Atlantic and it's editor are anti-Trump. They endorse Democrats including Hillary Clinton.  It's not the place to look if you want balance, especially before an election.

What parts of the article do you dispute? Exactly what was done right in battling this virus? Anything?
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« Reply #6742 on: August 04, 2020, 10:26:24 am »

One of the editors at The Atlantic is David Frum, long-time conservative Republican and G.W. Bush speechwriter. If he's anti-Trump, shouldn't you be open-minded enough to listen to what people like him have to say. Being anti-Trump does not make them wrong. His latest pronouncements are spectacularly unhinged. 

Frum is a Neocon who helped Bush and us get into Iraq.  He hates Trump because Trump called him on it.  Frum supported Hillary.  If he was [not=edit] anti-Trump, the liberal press would be castigating him.  But because he's opposed to the president, he now has become their darling. 

There's nothing wrong with pointing out someone's errors.  But when you come in with a pre-established viewpoint and political agenda, it's easy to find the evidence that paints a bad picture.  There's no balance.  We do it here all the time.  :)

No country is going to escape the economic disaster that's coming.  America in particular because of its reserve currency, has allowed us to live in a debt bubble long before the virus.  Debt is out of control on federal, state and local levels. For 12 years, we reinflated the 2008 bubble even larger. The virus busted that bubble that was going to break eventually.  Now with all the printing, we're going further into debt.  That will extend the pain and take us longer to recover. We'll be suffering economically long after the virus is gone.

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« Reply #6743 on: August 04, 2020, 10:29:20 am »

Frum is a Neocon who helped Bush and us get into Iraq.  He hates Trump because Trump called him on it.  Frum supported Hillary.  If he was [not=edit] anti-Trump, the liberal press would be castigating him.  But because he's opposed to the president, he now has become their darling. 

There's nothing wrong with pointing out someone's errors.  But when you come in with a pre-established viewpoint and political agenda, it's easy to find the evidence that paints a bad picture.  There's no balance.  We do it here all the time.  :)

No country is going to escape the economic disaster that's coming.  America in particular because of its reserve currency, has allowed us to live in a debt bubble long before the virus.  Debt is out of control on federal, state and local levels. For 12 years, we reinflated the 2008 bubble even larger. The virus busted that bubble that was going to break eventually.  Now with all the printing, we're going further into debt.  That will extend the pain and take us longer to recover. We'll be suffering economically long after the virus is gone.

You are much more concerned about economic suffering than the actual suffering from the virus. Wonder how those 155,000 people and counting feel.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6744 on: August 04, 2020, 10:41:05 am »

You are much more concerned about economic suffering than the actual suffering from the virus. Wonder how those 155,000 people and counting feel.
I didn't know you had a monopoly on morality and ethics.  I guess I'm just a knuckle-dragging Neanderthal.

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« Reply #6745 on: August 04, 2020, 10:44:46 am »

Frum is a Neocon who helped Bush and us get into Iraq.  He hates Trump because Trump called him on it.  Frum supported Hillary.  If he was [not=edit] anti-Trump, the liberal press would be castigating him.  But because he's opposed to the president, he now has become their darling. 

There's nothing wrong with pointing out someone's errors.  But when you come in with a pre-established viewpoint and political agenda, it's easy to find the evidence that paints a bad picture.  There's no balance.  We do it here all the time.  :)

No country is going to escape the economic disaster that's coming.  America in particular because of its reserve currency, has allowed us to live in a debt bubble long before the virus.  Debt is out of control on federal, state and local levels. For 12 years, we reinflated the 2008 bubble even larger. The virus busted that bubble that was going to break eventually.  Now with all the printing, we're going further into debt.  That will extend the pain and take us longer to recover. We'll be suffering economically long after the virus is gone.

Always with the messaging. Do you honestly think that people don't realize these things?

But what DO you think about Trump's unhinged interview with Axios? https://www.axios.com/full-axios-hbo-interview-donald-trump-cd5a67e1-6ba1-46c8-bb3d-8717ab9f3cc5.html. Do you believe he sounds on the ball? 
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6746 on: August 04, 2020, 10:46:22 am »

I didn't know you had a monopoly on morality and ethics.  I guess I'm just a knuckle-dragging Neanderthal.

Alan...you've been obsessed with the economy for months now...very little mention about people directly suffering from the virus. I just call it as I see it.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6747 on: August 04, 2020, 10:58:06 am »

Frum is a Neocon who helped Bush and us get into Iraq.  He hates Trump because Trump called him on it.  Frum supported Hillary.  If he was [not=edit] anti-Trump, the liberal press would be castigating him.  But because he's opposed to the president, he now has become their darling. 

There's nothing wrong with pointing out someone's errors.  But when you come in with a pre-established viewpoint and political agenda, it's easy to find the evidence that paints a bad picture.  There's no balance.  We do it here all the time.  :)

No country is going to escape the economic disaster that's coming.  America in particular because of its reserve currency, has allowed us to live in a debt bubble long before the virus.  Debt is out of control on federal, state and local levels. For 12 years, we reinflated the 2008 bubble even larger. The virus busted that bubble that was going to break eventually.  Now with all the printing, we're going further into debt.  That will extend the pain and take us longer to recover. We'll be suffering economically long after the virus is gone.

But didnĀ“t Trump say that the USA economy would be up and recovering pretty quickly? This timeline from March is illustrative of the "tremendous" job...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/politics/trump-coronavirus-statements/

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« Reply #6748 on: August 04, 2020, 11:16:57 am »

Alan...you've been obsessed with the economy for months now...very little mention about people directly suffering from the virus. I just call it as I see it.
I feel bad about people, who got the virus, some who died. My 97 year old mother-in-law is in an assisted living home and my wife is always worried sick.  So don't judge people.  There's plenty of things all around to worry about.  People are also suffering economically.    If you lost your job and won't be able to pay the rent and feed your family, there's a lot of worry there as well.  What if you spent your life savings opening a little restaurant only to see it all be destroyed?  How do you recover? Don't you care about those people as well? If your family was medically healthy but economically destitute, what would you be worrying about?   Trying to play a game of moral superiority in these things is unredeeming. 

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« Reply #6749 on: August 04, 2020, 11:19:53 am »

If your family was medically healthy but economically destitute, what would you be worrying about?

Inflation?
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6750 on: August 04, 2020, 11:32:03 am »

But what DO you think about Trump's unhinged interview with Axios? https://www.axios.com/full-axios-hbo-interview-donald-trump-cd5a67e1-6ba1-46c8-bb3d-8717ab9f3cc5.html. Do you believe he sounds on the ball?

I couldn't stomach watching much of it. For those who do not want to watch the interview of a deluded idiot, here is a partial transcript of just one point. Some will say this is just an example of the left wing media being anti-Trump. Okay, so don't focus on anything but what Trump actually says.

Trump Reveals Self-Delusion Over COVID Statistics in Mind-Blowing Argument With Reporter

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-reveals-self-delusion-over-covid-statistics-in-mind-blowing-argument-with-reporter
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6751 on: August 04, 2020, 12:39:53 pm »

The Atlantic and it's editor are anti-Trump. They endorse Democrats including Hillary Clinton.  It's not the place to look if you want balance, especially before an election.

What elements in the article do you find inaccurate?
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6752 on: August 04, 2020, 03:15:33 pm »

What elements in the article do you find inaccurate?

Prepare yourself for the usual hand waving.
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« Reply #6753 on: August 04, 2020, 04:11:20 pm »

Always with the messaging. Do you honestly think that people don't realize these things?

But what DO you think about Trump's unhinged interview with Axios? https://www.axios.com/full-axios-hbo-interview-donald-trump-cd5a67e1-6ba1-46c8-bb3d-8717ab9f3cc5.html. Do you believe he sounds on the ball?

Trump's losing it, lost it or never had it. Unbelievable this guy is the president...and people actually stand by him. What's terribly wrong here.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6754 on: August 04, 2020, 04:39:51 pm »

Trump's losing it, lost it or never had it. Unbelievable this guy is the president...and people actually stand by him. What's terribly wrong here.

What's wrong is the loss of any kind of moral center in our political parties, made worse by the accidental election of an ignorant, mentally unbalanced man as President.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6755 on: August 04, 2020, 05:24:58 pm »

What's wrong is the loss of any kind of moral center in our political parties, made worse by the accidental election of an ignorant, mentally unbalanced man as President.

Yes, it's a shame to have a person in a leadership position that has no morals. Imagine the damage this joker has done on the teenagers that are so influenced...it's OK to blantantly lie to one's face.
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« Reply #6756 on: August 04, 2020, 05:39:54 pm »

Frum is a Neocon who helped Bush and us get into Iraq.  He hates Trump because Trump called him on it.  Frum supported Hillary.  If he was [not=edit] anti-Trump, the liberal press would be castigating him.  But because he's opposed to the president, he now has become their darling. 

There's nothing wrong with pointing out someone's errors.  But when you come in with a pre-established viewpoint and political agenda, it's easy to find the evidence that paints a bad picture.  There's no balance.  We do it here all the time.  :)

David Frum didn't write the story so you going off on David Frum is, in the parlance, a red herring.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6757 on: August 04, 2020, 08:03:59 pm »

Today, Trump referred to Yosemite as "Yo-Semites" as if it were a Jewish rap group. You'd think he would ask how to pronounce the word if he wasn't sure when he was practicing the speech, but he was obviously reading it out of a notebook for the first time. It is a little thing I guess, but I just don't have the patience for it anymore.

https://youtu.be/tExW_ivF80A
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« Reply #6758 on: August 05, 2020, 08:45:13 am »

You guys have played gotcha games for 4 years with Trump.  How about when Obama pronounced the"p" in corpsman when it's silent. It's petty.
https://www.military.com/video/forces/marine-corps/obama-mispronounces-corpsman/663155186001

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« Reply #6759 on: August 05, 2020, 09:21:08 am »

You guys have played gotcha games for 4 years with Trump.  How about when Obama pronounced the"p" in corpsman when it's silent. It's petty.

Whatabout, whatabout, whatabout. Always whatabout. Deflect, dodge, divert. Hand wave here, hand wave there. Never address the issue.

Anyway, I'm not sure how this is a gotcha game. I didn't ask him to pronounce Yosemite. The press didn't ask him to pronounce Yosemite.  He did that all by himself. It's not a gotcha game every time he does or says something stupid. It is just him being stupid. Besides, all the right wing press hounded Obama unmercifully about his mispronunciation, so turn about is fair play. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

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