PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political

[armand]

What I find  even more interesting is how you actually have time to post.  Shouldn't you be in the C-19 abyss by now? 

But anyway, so you essentially agree with me about the beard point.  That unless you shave everyday, it not nearly as effective.  Thanks. 

Now how about those sheets of cloth people put over their faces.  What say you on those?

No, we don't agree, you don't know what you are talking about but pretend that you do. Not the first time and won't be the last.
Regarding the beard, now shaving daily it's another insurmountable obstacle that you came up with.

Once again, what I do with my time is not your fucking business, period.

[Alan Klein]

Joe you know damn well there are a lot of other issues in play here like people hug each other much more than in the USA, much like in Italy. You really seem to have a burr on your butt regarding masks. Just take your gun out and protest the wearing of masks...might make you feel better. Funny how those Covidiots protesting the lockdown with their guns on display all had masks on.

They were going to hold up a bank after the rally. 

[armand]

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2020/may/doctors-group-warns-lockdowns-doing-more-damage-than-covid-19?fbclid=IwAR3PywGCNRe7Ys_IXpcttAb2wCkwrSrYzK3CvtlNWHRgiuzREQHkA-PRdCQ

'Cardiac Arrests up 800 Percent': 600+ Doctors Warn Lockdowns Doing Much More Damage Than COVID

I doubt the numbers are that high, but yes, care it's been delayed. What some don't realize is that a lot this care is delayed voluntarily though, not because of the lockdown per se, but because people are afraid to come to the hospital. Some people falsely assume (or they just have an agenda) that this is entirely because of the lockdown, but it's mostly because of the pandemic itself. And FYI, I don't know where some live but the "lockdown" here is quite relaxed right now, you can do a lot of things.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... Once again, what I do with my time is not your fucking business, period.

Of course what you do with your time is of no concern to us. We are just wondering how come you have that time, when people are dying in droves and doctors are apparently working 24/7, falling on the floor from exhaustion, etc.?

[Alan Klein]

So in other words you’ll fill of bull shit on this one, other wise you could provide me evidence.

Even just a small effect would give Muslim countries an advantage.  Show me the numbers. 

I few weeks ago I posted a picture of a Muslim woman wearing one and made a joke about it.  I was called a racist and told to delete the picture which I did.  People here need to get a sense of humor.

[Alan Klein]

I've travelled through Muslim countries and saw with my own eyes how much hugging and closeness their exists between people.

As far as proof goes...Joe you are the one questioning wearing masks not providing any protection. Where is your proof. You are the one on your high horse about not wearing a mask. Are you full of shit or do you have any proof wearing a mask does not reduce the spread of the virus. For once either put up or shut up...quit spreading your manure just because your buddy Trump does not wear a mask.

Why do you have to curse and name call?  Can't you make your point without referring to excrement. Certainly you're better than that.

[armand]

Of course what you do with your time is of no concern to us. We are just wondering how come you have that time, when people are dying in droves and doctors are apparently working 24/7, falling on the floor from exhaustion, etc.?

Again, none of your fucking business. This is just a personal thing that you guys are trying to pull. I don't need to justify my time usage to you or anybody else here.

[Alan Klein]

Wearing a mask certified by health authorities is a complementary measure. Of course just because you wear a mask does not mean that you disregard other safety measures. Masks + respiratory etiquette + washing hands properly = better safety and prevention.

The key word here is "certified" by health authorities. In Portugal, for example, there is a dedicated institute that does that certification. So one can be sure that any masks that are for sale in pharmacies, supermarkets, etc, are the real deal.

Of course there will be morons that simply wrap around a handkerchief or piece of cotton, but that does not disprove the effectiveness of properly certified masks. It's really simple to me: I pay a lot more attention to what virologists and epidemiologists say than ignorant morons.

There are a lot of masks on Amazon here in the US that are for sale that obviously are not approved by anyone.  Even the big retailers and stores are making their own.  Don;t you have that issue in Portugal?

[Alan Klein]

Quite poor attempt to contradict what I said, your are starting to imitate Slobodan now.

I will say it again: you are either clueless or you are lying about the the N95. I could try to explain but I feel it's lost on you, you don't actually care. Let met guess though, how many times they actually used N95s? Will they not use one instead of surgical mask when dealing with a Covid patient? A proper fit can be achieved for most, that why there is a thing called fit testing that all employees that will use N95 have to go through. And that's why you should shave to ensure the best fit, unless you value your beard more. Again, google it's just a few keyboards away.

I have KN-95's that fit pretty well compared to those surgical type masks.  Question I have is how will dentists protect themselves and their patients?  Or any doctor for that matter?  They see patient after patient.  I need dental work.  But I don't want to die going to one.  So I'm letting my teeth rot in my head rather than take a chance.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Again, none of your fucking business. This is just a personal thing that you guys are trying to pull. I don't need to justify my time usage to you or anybody else here.

You can, as a minimum, ease on the profanities.

The point we are making has nothing to do with you personally and how you spend your time. But your example is a proof that the situation is not so dire as described in media.

[Alan Klein]

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'Cardiac Arrests up 800 Percent': 600+ Doctors Warn Lockdowns Doing Much More Damage Than COVID

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More than 600 of these physicians involved with A Doctor A Day have sent a letter to President Trump, asking his coronavirus task force to keep in mind the full implications of a shutdown.

In that letter, they warn millions of Americans are endangered by much of the medical world being cut off from them or by them cutting themselves off from it.

The letter says, “These include 150,000 Americans per month who would have had a new cancer detected through a routine screening that hasn’t happened, millions who have missed routine dental care to fix problems strongly linked to heart disease/death, and preventable cases of stroke, heart attack, and child abuse. Suicide hotline phone calls have increased 600%.”

Well, I pray more now and keep my fingers crossed.  Seems to be working so far. 

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

Explain how that physics works: the same material that does NOT protect you from the virus, protects others from your virus? The virus knows which side of the material to penetrate? So if coming from outside, it can go through, but coming from inside it can not?

You're smarter (I hope) than that.

Hint: Reduced radius of infection from the wearer, but not an absolute filter for smaller particles to pass ...

[Alan Klein]

I doubt the numbers are that high, but yes, care it's been delayed. What some don't realize is that a lot this care is delayed voluntarily though, not because of the lockdown per se, but because people are afraid to come to the hospital. Some people falsely assume (or they just have an agenda) that this is entirely because of the lockdown, but it's mostly because of the pandemic itself. And FYI, I don't know where some live but the "lockdown" here is quite relaxed right now, you can do a lot of things.

I think many of my doctors have not been working.  I did get a call back from my cardiologist one time.  But another time I had a question about my medication, he never returned my call.  My dentist was actually more helpful.  Although he only plans on re-opening his office next week, he gave me his cell phone number. I have had a number of phone conversations with him about issues I had and he was more helpful than my doctors. Meanwhile, my pharmacy can't renew my diabetes medicine because they can't get through to my regular internist.  Going to a hospital solves none of these issues.  Hopefully they'll all be back soon.  But the problem is I don't trust that they'll take consistent measures to protect themselves and their patients.

[chez]

Of course what you do with your time is of no concern to us. We are just wondering how come you have that time, when people are dying in droves and doctors are apparently working 24/7, falling on the floor from exhaustion, etc.?

Slobo...show a big of respect here. You come on as someone who thinks very highly of themselves...maybe take a back seat for a bit.

[chez]

Why do you have to curse and name call?  Can't you make your point without referring to excrement. Certainly you're better than that.

Sometimes you have to drop down to the level of the person you are communicating with in order for them to understand.

[JoeKitchen]

No, we don't agree, you don't know what you are talking about but pretend that you do. Not the first time and won't be the last.
Regarding the beard, now shaving daily it's another insurmountable obstacle that you came up with.

Once again, what I do with my time is not your fucking business, period.

Feel the anger, let it flow through you, come to the dark side.

Glad you got that out. 

Now how about all those cloth masks we are told to make ourselves and use?

Asked you twice but yet you have no answers. 

[JoeKitchen]

I few weeks ago I posted a picture of a Muslim woman wearing one and made a joke about it.  I was called a racist and told to delete the picture which I did.  People here need to get a sense of humor.

I’m not being funny; I’m being serious.  Masks are suppose to be so good, even ones you make yourself according to the experts that Muslim countries must have an advantage.

But they don’t so these home masks are all BS.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Sometimes you have to drop down to the level of the person you are communicating with in order for them to understand.

Where is that level? Show me an example where Alan was cursing at anyone here, or cursing in general.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... do you have any proof wearing a mask does not reduce the spread of the virus...

If only you would read posts that do not fit your preconceived notions. On page 235, post #4686, I posted an article from 2016, before the pandemic and before the issue has been politicized. This is just one example of a peer-reviewed scientific article, the gist of which is: masks are mostly inefficient for general populations, but because the said population is conditioned to think they help, they get that warm, fuzzy feeling of saving lives when wearing them.

[JoeKitchen]

If only you would read posts that do not fit your preconceived notions. On page 235, post #4686, I posted an article from 2016, before the pandemic and before the issue has been politicized. This is just one example of a peer-reviewed scientific article, the gist of which is: masks are mostly inefficient for general populations, but because the said population is conditioned to think they help, they get that warm, fuzzy feeling of saving lives when wearing them.

I think Armand ignored that too.  After all, those healthcare workers only have so much free time right now.  Posting on the Internet yes.  Reading peer reviewed medical articles, not so much.