PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political

[faberryman]

Funny how those Covidiots protesting the lockdown with their guns on display all had masks on.

I think that was just part of their camouflage.

[JoeKitchen]

Joe you know damn well there are a lot of other issues in play here like people hug each other much more than in the USA, much like in Italy. You really seem to have a burr on your butt regarding masks. Just take your gun out and protest the wearing of masks...might make you feel better. Funny how those Covidiots protesting the lockdown with their guns on display all had masks on.

So in other words you’ll fill of bull shit on this one, other wise you could provide me evidence.

Even just a small effect would give Muslim countries an advantage.  Show me the numbers. 

[Craig Lamson]

My  understanding is that the were "wiretapping" Kisliak's phone and so overheard Flynn when he called Kisliak.

But thats illegal.  Unless they have a FISA they can't use Flynn's name.  He has to be called US Person 1 or some such thing.  Or they unmask him.  Its really a mess.  I think Flynn was on vacation out of the US when he had that call so the FBI had no jurisdiction to intercept the call. So that leaves the CIA.  And then they would still be bound by US law when bringing the names of US citizens into light.  Or it came for a foreign source and if thats the case its even worse.  Long and short the US agencies were very bad actors, and it all starts with Obama.

[chez]

So in other words you’ll fill of bull shit on this one, other wise you could provide me evidence.

Even just a small effect would give Muslim countries an advantage.  Show me the numbers.

I've travelled through Muslim countries and saw with my own eyes how much hugging and closeness their exists between people.

As far as proof goes...Joe you are the one questioning wearing masks not providing any protection. Where is your proof. You are the one on your high horse about not wearing a mask. Are you full of shit or do you have any proof wearing a mask does not reduce the spread of the virus. For once either put up or shut up...quit spreading your manure just because your buddy Trump does not wear a mask.

[chez]

I think that was just part of their camouflage.

Yeh like Ninjas cartoons they watched on TV. They want to be just like them whenever they actually grow up.

[faberryman]

But thats illegal.  Unless they have a FISA they can't use Kellys name.  He has to be called US Person 1 or some such thing.  Or they unmask him.  Its really a mess.  I think Kelly was on vacation out of the US when he had that call so the FBI had no jurisdiction to intercept the call. So that leaves the CIA.  And then they would still be bound by US law when brings the names of US citizens into light.  Or it came for a foreign source andf if theats the case its even worse.  Long and short the US agencies were very bad actors, and it all starts with Obama.

Kelly? You mean Flynn?

[JoeKitchen]

I've travelled through Muslim countries and saw with my own eyes how much hugging and closeness their exists between people.

As far as proof goes...Joe you are the one questioning wearing masks not providing any protection. Where is your proof. You are the one on your high horse about not wearing a mask. Are you full of shit or do you have any proof wearing a mask does not reduce the spread of the virus. For once either put up or shut up...quit spreading your manure just because your buddy Trump does not wear a mask.

My neighbors, a dentist and two nurses. 

They told me even N-95 do not due much of anything, especially if you have even a little bit of a facial hair keeping it from sealing around your face.  They were taught this college.  They are just for if a sick person coughs or sneezes while you are examine them, it keeps the snot/saliva from going in your mouth or up your noose.   

Insofar as filtering out particles, nothing is really accomplished.  You need a full respirator for that. 

[Paulo Bizarro]

Mike Rowe did an interesting video talk about the downsides of safety first thinking.  Essentially, when safety features are put in place, it causes people to be less aware of risky behavior.  A great example is how so many people are hit by cars crossing street corners with crosswalk lights. 

I would not be surprised if it comes out that more people got the virus from relaxing too much due to a false sense of security around covering your face with cloth.

Wearing a mask certified by health authorities is a complementary measure. Of course just because you wear a mask does not mean that you disregard other safety measures. Masks + respiratory etiquette + washing hands properly = better safety and prevention.

The key word here is "certified" by health authorities. In Portugal, for example, there is a dedicated institute that does that certification. So one can be sure that any masks that are for sale in pharmacies, supermarkets, etc, are the real deal.

Of course there will be morons that simply wrap around a handkerchief or piece of cotton, but that does not disprove the effectiveness of properly certified masks. It's really simple to me: I pay a lot more attention to what virologists and epidemiologists say than ignorant morons.

[armand]

My neighbors, a dentist and two nurses. 

They told me even N-95 do not due much of anything, especially if you have even a little bit of a facial hair keeping it from sealing around your face.  They were taught this college.  They are just for if a sick person coughs or sneezes while you are examine them, it keeps the snot/saliva from going in your mouth or up your noose.   

Insofar as filtering out particles, nothing is really accomplished.  You need a full respirator for that.

I feel that you are just lacking any shame, just saying, you'll say whatever fits your agenda. I doubt they actually said that, it's more likely that you twisted it the way you want to. If they actually said that maybe repeating those classes in college could prove helpful. Just a little bit bit of hair doesn't mean much if you can still achieve a seal, and regardless, that is why everybody in my acute care provider group shaved their beards. I would recommend you educate yourself before you speak but I know you won't, what if you find things are not what you want to believe!?

[JoeKitchen]

Wearing a mask certified by health authorities is a complementary measure. Of course just because you wear a mask does not mean that you disregard other safety measures. Masks + respiratory etiquette + washing hands properly = better safety and prevention.

The key word here is "certified" by health authorities. In Portugal, for example, there is a dedicated institute that does that certification. So one can be sure that any masks that are for sale in pharmacies, supermarkets, etc, are the real deal.

Of course there will be morons that simply wrap around a handkerchief or piece of cotton, but that does not disprove the effectiveness of properly certified masks. It's really simple to me: I pay a lot more attention to what virologists and epidemiologists say than ignorant morons.

The problem is getting those "certified" masks.

Instead, we are told to just cover our faces with a piece of cloth and problem solved. 

Like I said, if this actually works, then every Muslim country on the planet should have been at an advantage since they already force half their population to do this. 

[JoeKitchen]

I feel that you are just lacking any shame, just saying, you'll say whatever fits your agenda. I doubt they actually said that, it's more likely that you twisted it the way you want to. If they actually said that maybe repeating those classes in college could prove helpful. Just a little bit bit of hair doesn't mean much if you can still achieve a seal, and regardless, that is why everybody in my acute care provider group shaved their beards. I would recommend you educate yourself before you speak but I know you won't, what if you find things are not what you want to believe!?

Back?  Wow. 

With this pandemic, how do you even have time to post? 

That is pretty much what they said (dentist and nurse practitioner).  They really help with keeping saliva from getting in your mouth.  But even a little bit of facial hair makes it impossible to form an effective seal. 

The dentist also told me that the pieces of cloth people are using do practically nothing.  The N-95 masks do provide some protection, but these turtleneck extensions are pointless. 

[chez]

The problem is getting those "certified" masks.

Instead, we are told to just cover our faces with a piece of cloth and problem solved. 

Like I said, if this actually works, then every Muslim country on the planet should have been at an advantage since they already force half their population to do this.

Problem isn't solved...it's a step in the right direction including staying 2 metres apart, washing hands etc... None of these are 100%...but combine them and you are drastically reducing the spread of the virus. Seems like you are looking for that silver bullet...well the vaccine will also most likely not be 100% for everyone.

[chez]

Back?  Wow. 

With this pandemic, how do you even have time to post? 

That is pretty much what they said (dentist and nurse practitioner).  They really help with keeping saliva from getting in your mouth.  But even a little bit of facial hair makes it impossible to form an effective seal. 

The dentist also told me that the pieces of cloth people are using do practically nothing.  The N-95 masks do provide some protection, but these turtleneck extensions are pointless.

Pointless for getting the virus or from spreading the virus...two different things. Surely even you must understand anything in the way of the spray from a sneeze helps prevent the spread, even a piece of clothe.

[Craig Lamson]

Kelly? You mean Flynn?

sorry, yes, my bad.

[armand]

Back?  Wow. 

With this pandemic, how do you even have time to post? 

That is pretty much what they said (dentist and nurse practitioner).  They really help with keeping saliva from getting in your mouth.  But even a little bit of facial hair makes it impossible to form an effective seal. 

The dentist also told me that the pieces of cloth people are using do practically nothing.  The N-95 masks do provide some protection, but these turtleneck extensions are pointless.

Quite poor attempt to contradict what I said, your are starting to imitate Slobodan now.

I will say it again: you are either clueless or you are lying about the the N95. I could try to explain but I feel it's lost on you, you don't actually care. Let met guess though, how many times they actually used N95s? Will they not use one instead of surgical mask when dealing with a Covid patient? A proper fit can be achieved for most, that why there is a thing called fit testing that all employees that will use N95 have to go through. And that's why you should shave to ensure the best fit, unless you value your beard more. Again, google it's just a few keyboards away.

[JoeKitchen]

Quite poor attempt to contradict what I said, your are starting to imitate Slobodan now.

I will say it again: you are either clueless or you are lying about the the N95. I could try to explain but I feel it's lost on you, you don't actually care. Let met guess though, how many times they actually used N95s? Will they not use one instead of surgical mask when dealing with a Covid patient? A proper fit can be achieved for most, that why there is a thing called fit testing that all employees that will use N95 have to go through. And that's why you should shave to ensure the best fit, unless you value your beard more. Again, google it's just a few keyboards away.

What I find  even more interesting is how you actually have time to post.  Shouldn't you be in the C-19 abyss by now? 

But anyway, so you essentially agree with me about the beard point.  That unless you shave everyday, it not nearly as effective.  Thanks. 

Now how about those sheets of cloth people put over their faces.  What say you on those? 

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

The main reason for you to wear a mask is so you don't spread the virus. It is not to protect yourself from getting the virus.

Explain how that physics works: the same material that does NOT protect you from the virus, protects others from your virus? The virus knows which side of the material to penetrate? So if coming from outside, it can go through, but coming from inside it can not?

[Paulo Bizarro]

The problem is getting those "certified" masks.

Instead, we are told to just cover our faces with a piece of cloth and problem solved. 

Like I said, if this actually works, then every Muslim country on the planet should have been at an advantage since they already force half their population to do this.

I don´t know, but if in Portugal and many other countries it is possible to go to a supermarket and buy them, what is the problem in the USA? Don´t you have an official institution that certifies them?

As for pieces of cloth, again, there are several types of masks, made from several types of materials. Certified cloth masks have several layers of fabric whith certain specifications for example in terms of the size of the "pores" so to speak. In my wife's company, they are wearing washable cloth masks, they can be washed 50 times without losing their properties. In Portugal, many companies that before were producing garments, have reconverted to make cloth masks according to the specs from scientific institutions.

If you go out and areina closed space, you need to wear a mask, plain and simple. We arenow in week 3 of reopening, and the  number of new cases has stabilized at a growth rate of less than 1%, say around 200-250 new cases a day. This is a good indication so far, also Rt is below 1, which is good.

Your reference to muslims is misguided, simply because the cloth used by women to cover their faces does not have the necessary specifications as  a proper cloth mask, as mentioned above.

[JoeKitchen]

I don´t know, but if in Portugal and many other countries it is possible to go to a supermarket and buy them, what is the problem in the USA? Don´t you have an official institution that certifies them?

As for pieces of cloth, again, there are several types of masks, made from several types of materials. Certified cloth masks have several layers of fabric whith certain specifications for example in terms of the size of the "pores" so to speak. In my wife's company, they are wearing washable cloth masks, they can be washed 50 times without losing their properties. In Portugal, many companies that before were producing garments, have reconverted to make cloth masks according to the specs from scientific institutions.

If you go out and areina closed space, you need to wear a mask, plain and simple. We arenow in week 3 of reopening, and the  number of new cases has stabilized at a growth rate of less than 1%, say around 200-250 new cases a day. This is a good indication so far, also Rt is below 1, which is good.

Your reference to muslims is misguided, simply because the cloth used by women to cover their faces does not have the necessary specifications as  a proper cloth mask, as mentioned above.

We sold out of proper masks long ago, and, just like with niqabs, were told wearing a piece of cloth over our face would help. 

I highly doubt this information.  A medical mask, sure, a random piece of cloth I see people wearing, no. 

But anyway, as summer gets closer, it is going to be interesting seeing all those tan lines from the crazies who insist on wearing them 24/7. 

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2020/may/doctors-group-warns-lockdowns-doing-more-damage-than-covid-19?fbclid=IwAR3PywGCNRe7Ys_IXpcttAb2wCkwrSrYzK3CvtlNWHRgiuzREQHkA-PRdCQ

'Cardiac Arrests up 800 Percent': 600+ Doctors Warn Lockdowns Doing Much More Damage Than COVID

More than 600 of these physicians involved with A Doctor A Day have sent a letter to President Trump, asking his coronavirus task force to keep in mind the full implications of a shutdown.

In that letter, they warn millions of Americans are endangered by much of the medical world being cut off from them or by them cutting themselves off from it.

The letter says, “These include 150,000 Americans per month who would have had a new cancer detected through a routine screening that hasn’t happened, millions who have missed routine dental care to fix problems strongly linked to heart disease/death, and preventable cases of stroke, heart attack, and child abuse. Suicide hotline phone calls have increased 600%.”