PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political

[Chris Kern]

Rack another untruth up to the experts. 

CDC: Coronavirus mainly spreads through person-to-person contact and 'does not spread easily' on contaminated surfaces

I have no idea what to think.

I don't see anything new in the published CDC description about how the virus spreads.

As far as I know, fomite transmission has always been considered distinctly secondary to person-to-person transmission.  That's the reason for the emphasis on "social distancing," including maintaining adequate physical space between individuals, wearing face coverings to avoid spreading droplets and aerosols, and staying away from poorly-ventilated spaces where other individuals are present.

However, the CDC has and continues to urge caution in touching surfaces that may contain virus particles, and to recommend frequent hand-washing.

It may be possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes. This is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads, but we are still learning more about this virus. . . .

The best way to prevent illness is to avoid being exposed to this virus. You can take steps to slow the spread.

• Maintain good social distance (about 6 feet). This is very important in preventing the spread of COVID-19.
• Wash your hands often with soap and water. If soap and water are not available, use a hand sanitizer that contains at least 60% alcohol.
• Routinely clean and disinfect frequently touched surfaces.

I think the one thing that has changed since the initial guidance back in February or March is the importance of everyone wearing face masks in the presence of others, which is based on evidence that infected persons start shedding the virus several days before they develop symptoms and that some individuals never develop severe enough symptoms to realize they are sick.  A face covering prevents you from unknowingly infecting others with whom you are in close proximity if it turns out you are harboring the virus.

[JoeKitchen]

I don't see anything new in the published CDC description about how the virus spreads.

As far as I know, fomite transmission has always been considered distinctly secondary to person-to-person transmission.  That's the reason for the emphasis on "social distancing," including maintaining adequate physical space between individuals, wearing face coverings to avoid spreading droplets and aerosols, and staying away from poorly-ventilated spaces where other individuals are present.

However, the CDC has and continues to urge caution in touching surfaces that may contain virus particles, and to recommend frequent hand-washing.

I think the one thing that has changed since the initial guidance back in February or March is the importance of everyone wearing face masks in the presence of others, which is based on evidence that infected persons start shedding the virus several days before they develop symptoms and that some individuals never develop severe enough symptoms to realize they are sick.  A face covering prevents you from unknowingly infecting others with whom you are in close proximity if it turns out you are harboring the virus.

As one Facebooker put it, "if a fart can make it through my pants, then C-19 can make it through these masks."

I would like to see the actual research on the face mask thing and exactly what kind of masks they used.  Perhaps that is true with medical N-95 masks and respirators.  However I can not imagine these cotton/lycra turtleneck extensions everyone is now wearing do much of anything. 

[kers]

As one Facebooker put it, "if a fart can make it through my pants, then C-19 can make it through these masks."

I would like to see the actual research on the face mask thing and exactly what kind of masks they used.  Perhaps that is true with medical N-95 masks and respirators.  However I can not imagine these cotton/lycra turtleneck extensions everyone is now wearing do much of anything.

A fart mask would be useful indeed.

[LesPalenik]

A fart mask would be useful indeed.

They make it for the cows. But it's actually a large bag for methane collection which the cows carry on their back. An adult cow weighing around 700kg can produce daily 160-320 liters of methane. Interpolating these numbers into human terms, a 100kg heavy person on plant-based diet might be able to generate about 25-50 liters of similar gases. 

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/the-strange-war-against-cow-farts

[Robert Roaldi]

A QAnon'er does well in an Oregon primary, https://news.yahoo.com/jo-rae-perkins-qanon-oregon-senate-republican-primary-153818785.html. I'm telling you, it's the Masons we need to watch out for. Them or the Illuminati, I forget now. Has Dan Brown written a new book lately? 

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

As one Facebooker put it, "if a fart can make it through my pants, then C-19 can make it through these masks."

I would like to see the actual research on the face mask thing and exactly what kind of masks they used.  Perhaps that is true with medical N-95 masks and respirators.  However I can not imagine these cotton/lycra turtleneck extensions everyone is now wearing do much of anything. 

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

This is written in 2016, before the current pandemics is politicized.

The gist is: masks are mostly inefficient for general populations, but because the said population is conditioned to think they help, they get that warm, fuzzy feeling of saving lives when wearing them.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4868614/?fbclid=IwAR2cRsIevRntybJWjZp7XKB7SC5BP4FV5j3tEm2MifefXc0P4qdqqwyJyEc

[faberryman]

New reporting that Flynn's name was never masked, so it could not have been unmasked.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/michael-flynns-name-was-never-masked-in-fbi-document-on-his-communications-with-russian-ambassador/2020/05/20/e94ee050-9a0b-11ea-ac72-3841fcc9b35f_story.html

[Craig Lamson]

New reporting that Flynn's name was never masked, so it could not have been unmasked.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/michael-flynns-name-was-never-masked-in-fbi-document-on-his-communications-with-russian-ambassador/2020/05/20/e94ee050-9a0b-11ea-ac72-3841fcc9b35f_story.html

So tell me, why did 37 people including Joe Biden request unmasking Kellys name?  I've not read the Post article (paywall) but I have read others.  It seems only one conversation is at play here with no unmasking, not all of them.  But it raises other more damaging questions (and I'll be suprised if the Post asked them)  Why was the FBI wiretapping Flynns calls without a FISA?  My take. Comeys FBI was dirty as hell.

[chez]

As one Facebooker put it, "if a fart can make it through my pants, then C-19 can make it through these masks."

I would like to see the actual research on the face mask thing and exactly what kind of masks they used.  Perhaps that is true with medical N-95 masks and respirators.  However I can not imagine these cotton/lycra turtleneck extensions everyone is now wearing do much of anything.

Don't you think that if you are wearing a mask and you sneeze the amount you'll spew out of your mouth will be less with a mask on than without a mask. There is nothing that stops the virus 100%, even the n95 mask is only 95% affective...but following distancing and wearing masks greatly reduces the chance of spreading the virus.

Just common sense.

[JoeKitchen]

This is written in 2016, before the current pandemics is politicized.

The gist is: masks are mostly inefficient for general populations, but because the said population is conditioned to think they help, they get that warm, fuzzy feeling of saving lives when wearing them.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4868614/?fbclid=IwAR2cRsIevRntybJWjZp7XKB7SC5BP4FV5j3tEm2MifefXc0P4qdqqwyJyEc

Mike Rowe did an interesting video talk about the downsides of safety first thinking.  Essentially, when safety features are put in place, it causes people to be less aware of risky behavior.  A great example is how so many people are hit by cars crossing street corners with crosswalk lights. 

I would not be surprised if it comes out that more people got the virus from relaxing too much due to a false sense of security around covering your face with cloth. 

[faberryman]

Why was the FBI wiretapping Flynns calls without a FISA?  My take. Comeys FBI was dirty as hell.

My  understanding is that the were "wiretapping" Kisliak's phone and so overheard Flynn when he called Kisliak.

[JoeKitchen]

Here's a question, are Conservative Muslim Women the least likely group to get sick? 

With all the talk about face masks, niqabs must have been protecting them for centuries. 

[JoeKitchen]

Don't you think that if you are wearing a mask and you sneeze the amount you'll spew out of your mouth will be less with a mask on than without a mask. There is nothing that stops the virus 100%, even the n95 mask is only 95% affective...but following distancing and wearing masks greatly reduces the chance of spreading the virus.

Just common sense.

I sneezed the other day with one on while at the grocery.  Plenty of particles still ended up in my elbow when I covered my face. 

But what about all of the people that would cover their face when they sneeze who just now think, "I have a mask on so why bother?"  I am sure there are a lot of people not covering their face anymore when they sneeze, which kind of negates the mask. 

Going back to the false sense of security it produces causing people to become too lax. 

[JoeKitchen]

My  understanding is that the were "wiretapping" Kisliak's phone and so overheard Flynn when he called Kisliak.

In that situation then, it is required by law to mask the identity of Flynn. 

[chez]

Here's a question, are Conservative Muslim Women the least likely group to get sick? 

With all the talk about face masks, niqabs must have been protecting them for centuries.

The main reason for you to wear a mask is so you don't spread the virus. It is not to protect yourself from getting the virus.

[chez]

I sneezed the other day with one on while at the grocery.  Plenty of particles still ended up in my elbow when I covered my face. 

But what about all of the people that would cover their face when they sneeze who just now think, "I have a mask on so why bother?"  I am sure there are a lot of people not covering their face anymore when they sneeze, which kind of negates the mask. 

Going back to the false sense of security it produces causing people to become too lax.

You have an air bag in your car...do you now not buckle up your seatbelt? False sense of security.

Sure there might be a minority of people going around with a mask and just coughing and sneezing without trying to contain themselves...but those same idiots most likely would just spew themselves all over the produce at the grocery stores anyway. Nothing is absolute...but for considerate people, a mask would help contain their spread of the virus.

[JoeKitchen]

The main reason for you to wear a mask is so you don't spread the virus. It is not to protect yourself from getting the virus.

Which would certainly help conservative Muslim countries given the niqabs if true.  Preventing half the population from being spreaders would create a great reduction in cases.

So, where is the evidence? 

Are niqabs required in Iran?  Last I read on Iran, they went down the C-19 hole pretty damn quickly. 

[faberryman]

I sneezed the other day with one on while at the grocery.  Plenty of particles still ended up in my elbow when I covered my face. 

But what about all of the people that would cover their face when they sneeze who just now think, "I have a mask on so why bother?"  I am sure there are a lot of people not covering their face anymore when they sneeze, which kind of negates the mask. 

Going back to the false sense of security it produces causing people to become too lax.

I don't think it has ever been claimed that a face mask is a perfect tool for preventing the  spread of the virus. I wore one to my doctor's appointment last week. He was wearing one as well. It is a precaution, not a panacea. If you do not think it is helpful, and it is not required where you live, just don't wear one. No reason to get all worked up about it.

[chez]

Which would certainly help conservative Muslim countries given the niqabs if true.  Preventing half the population from being spreaders would create a great reduction in cases.

So, where is the evidence? 

Are niqabs required in Iran?  Last I read on Iran, they went down the C-19 hole pretty damn quickly.

Joe you know damn well there are a lot of other issues in play here like people hug each other much more than in the USA, much like in Italy. You really seem to have a burr on your butt regarding masks. Just take your gun out and protest the wearing of masks...might make you feel better. Funny how those Covidiots protesting the lockdown with their guns on display all had masks on.