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Re: Covid 19 Updates Part 2
« Reply #800 on: April 03, 2020, 11:51:45 am »

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer hit for hydroxychloroquine crackdown as debate escalates

Nevada governor limits use of anti-malaria drugs for coronavirus patients

Not full out bans, but severe regulations on prescription.

It will be a very good habit for you to actually read the articles that you are posting.

Very brief executive summary for you:
1. Whitmer restricted mostly because of reports of physicians prescribing the drug for friends and families with no medical indication
2. Nevada restricted it only for outpatient use to limit the shortage for inpatient

In both states physicians can still prescribe it inpatient should they desire.

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« Reply #801 on: April 03, 2020, 11:52:45 am »

Second, it does not take a rocket scientist to realize less people go out and interact when it is cold then when it is sunny and warm.  Thus, stories like spring break are not going to be happening in Canada.

People party indoors too. They do it all winter long even though it gets dark early. Maybe because it gets dark early. They ski and party afterward. They play hockey in crowded arenas, don't need to wait for March break.

You are way over-reaching.
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« Reply #802 on: April 03, 2020, 11:53:27 am »

This is quite funny, thanks for the laugh. So it's the weather now, cold weather stops the virus. Hey wait, I thought that April and warm weather was going to stop the virus. I'm confused.

You are being argumentative. The disease spread is a multi-factored problem, getting lost in silly details is pointless.

No Canada isn't perfect. Why are we engaging in this grammar school "my dad is bigger than your dad" discussion?

Something off the charts is happening in the US at the moment. No one is attacking you about it, people are trying to understand why. You should too.


Neither is America or Trump.

NYC and environs apparently have 60% of the cases in America.  NYC was exposed early due to all the visitors, many from China.  It also got a head start before it was known how bad it was.  NYC has 25,000 people per square mile.  (Well that's a rough number.  I don't want to be accused of missing the xact number.)  So it spreads easier than in North Dakota. A person would be wise not discuss numbers until this whole thing is over risking embarrassing changes.  Frankly, they're going to change and we don't really know where this is going to wind up.  A lot of people are going to have egg on their faces.

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« Reply #803 on: April 03, 2020, 11:53:34 am »

Most people aren't doing that.  The exceptions prove the rule.  Where I live, few are on the streets.  There's no place to go anyway.  A few in the parks; people shopping for food and supplies.  Those that are still working.  Pointing to sexually excited college kids high on pot and alcohol, is not the norm.  Well,  at my age, it's not the norm even during normal times. :)

Now is good...but a month ago when hoards of Americans were returning from firing lands including China...dick all was done. That fatal mistake and the lack of testing that followed is totally on your leaders shoulders.
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Re: Covid 19 Updates Part 2
« Reply #804 on: April 03, 2020, 11:54:46 am »

I dont want anyone to die, but you still have not told me how you just lock up 3 million people.  You seem to think its simple.  Enlighten us.
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« Reply #805 on: April 03, 2020, 11:56:32 am »

The odd thing is neither governor outlawed the sale of fish bowl cleaner, so after your doctor turns down your request for a prescription, you can just head over to PetsMart. I don't think either the Republican or Democrat governors are distinguishing themselves.
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« Reply #806 on: April 03, 2020, 11:57:10 am »

I dont want anyone to die, but you still have not told me how you just lock up 3 million people.  You seem to think its simple.  Enlighten us.

Just look North. Consistent message from the top all the way to the local mayors and even your doctor or neighbours. Sure it won't be 100%...but I can tell you the people I know that arrived from outside of Canada have self isolated for 14 days.
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« Reply #807 on: April 03, 2020, 11:59:52 am »

This may make sense (given the side-effects), but I do not know the reasoning that led to it.
Because Trump said the drug was a good idea, Gov Gretchen Williams, a Democrat, who might be picked by Biden for his Vice President, thought it was politically expedient to go against what Trump wants.  Unfortunately, too much of this serious medical and economic disaster is creating stupid policy decisions by hungry politicians on both sides seeking or keeping power.  95% pf the people are doing what they can do personally to protect themselves because why would anyone but a Socialist trust the government?

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« Reply #808 on: April 03, 2020, 12:01:01 pm »

Perfect example of Monday morning quarterbacking.  He took some early measures like stopping Chinese tourists.  But he didn't go further because it didn't seem to warrant that at that time.  When things got worse in Europe, he went further and stopped tourists from Europe.  None of us can predict the future.  We do the best we can on a day-by-day basis.  Attacking Trump for limiting his response is just political in an election year.  Now that much I can predict.

And why did other countries start a testing effort and isolation of incoming people? Are they smarter than Trump? Did they have better medical and scientific data? Exactly what logical reason was there no isolation attempt and very little testing for weeks? Can you lay out the logic which led to these decisions...especially when other parts of the world were moving ahead with isolation and full on testing?
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Re: Covid 19 Updates Part 2
« Reply #809 on: April 03, 2020, 12:05:38 pm »

Neither is America or Trump.

NYC and environs apparently have 60% of the cases in America.  NYC was exposed early due to all the visitors, many from China.  It also got a head start before it was known how bad it was.  NYC has 25,000 people per square mile.  (Well that's a rough number.  I don't want to be accused of missing the xact number.)  So it spreads easier than in North Dakota. A person would be wise not discuss numbers until this whole thing is over risking embarrassing changes.  Frankly, they're going to change and we don't really know where this is going to wind up.  A lot of people are going to have egg on their faces.

Are you sure it was the Chinese tourists or American tourists coming from China carrying the virus?

Vancouver had the 2nd highest population density in North America and has very issues. The vast majority of deaths in metro Vancouver were in care homes...not random people in the street.
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« Reply #810 on: April 03, 2020, 12:06:53 pm »

You completely missed the point. 

He was stating that the USA was having many more people disobeying the order then in Canada, and use spring break as an example. 

This is just not the case.  First, like I said no one cares enough about Canada to pay attention to it.  (There is no non-stop thread on here about Canadian politics, is there?)  So there is a media bias which publishes more USA examples. 

Second, it does not take a rocket scientist to realize less people go out and interact when it is cold then when it is sunny and warm.  Thus, stories like spring break are not going to be happening in Canada.

Joe: You got to get with it.

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Re: Covid 19 Updates Part 2
« Reply #811 on: April 03, 2020, 12:06:54 pm »

There was a lady in Canada that failed to self quaranteen when tested positive with the virus. She got fined and a jail term. Yes, it is treated as endangering others...very much like drunk driving.

Can she elect to serve her her jail time in a Democratic US state? She would be immediately released.

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« Reply #812 on: April 03, 2020, 12:10:06 pm »

There was a lady in Canada that failed to self quaranteen when tested positive with the virus. She got fined and a jail term. Yes, it is treated as endangering others...very much like drunk driving.
Was she wearing a mask?  Was she out shopping for food? The law would have to adjust for these things.   Of course the president of the Philippines told his police to shoot people who aren't meeting the quarantine.  Why bother arresting them and endangering anyone? 

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Re: Covid 19 Updates Part 2
« Reply #813 on: April 03, 2020, 12:10:27 pm »

And why did other countries start a testing effort and isolation of incoming people? Are they smarter than Trump? Did they have better medical and scientific data? Exactly what logical reason was there no isolation attempt and very little testing for weeks? Can you lay out the logic which led to these decisions...especially when other parts of the world were moving ahead with isolation and full on testing?
The CDC botched the tests in February. They did not work. Apparently Kushner wasn't overseeing them.
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« Reply #814 on: April 03, 2020, 12:10:53 pm »

Because Trump said the drug was a good idea, Gov Gretchen Williams, a Democrat, who might be picked by Biden for his Vice President, thought it was politically expedient to go against what Trump wants.  Unfortunately, too much of this serious medical and economic disaster is creating stupid policy decisions by hungry politicians on both sides seeking or keeping power.  95% pf the people are doing what they can do personally to protect themselves because why would anyone but a Socialist trust the government?

I think William described this behavior better than I've seen anywhere: Pavlovian. Somebody says Trump, you guys jump. Doesn't matter what is said.

Read the articles that Joe posted and my summary. Whitmer's restrictions had nothing to do with Trump, but with the reports that way too many physicians were inappropriately prescribing the drugs to friends and families.

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Re: Covid 19 Updates Part 2
« Reply #815 on: April 03, 2020, 12:11:52 pm »

It will be a very good habit for you to actually read the articles that you are posting.

Very brief executive summary for you:
1. Whitmer restricted mostly because of reports of physicians prescribing the drug for friends and families with no medical indication
2. Nevada restricted it only for outpatient use to limit the shortage for inpatient

In both states physicians can still prescribe it inpatient should they desire.

They still limited it, though, for all medical professionals, not just the bad actors. 
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Re: Covid 19 Updates Part 2
« Reply #816 on: April 03, 2020, 12:12:56 pm »

Was she wearing a mask?  Was she out shopping for food? The law would have to adjust for these things.   Of course the president of the Philippines told his police to shoot people who aren't meeting the quarantine.  Why bother arresting them and endangering anyone?

What people are asked to do is stay in the house for 14 days...no shopping. There are tons of services that can deliver food to your door.
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Re: Covid 19 Updates Part 2
« Reply #817 on: April 03, 2020, 12:13:42 pm »

The CDC botched the tests in February. They did not work. Apparently Kushner wasn't overseeing them.

There are multiple tests out there now, still in inadequate supply, but also with another issue: sensitivity. This means how many times it detects a tests when it is present. I hear some reports, at least for some used in Michigan, of 70% only which is quite bad. That means 3 out 10 people who have it can test negative.

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« Reply #818 on: April 03, 2020, 12:15:04 pm »

They still limited it, though, for all medical professionals, not just the bad actors.

It's limited for inpatient use only. Which makes sense, there is a limited supply, and if you think it works you want to give it to those who are sicker, in the hospital. That's where you can also much better monitor for side effects.

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« Reply #819 on: April 03, 2020, 12:15:27 pm »

Now is good...but a month ago when hoards of Americans were returning from firing lands including China...dick all was done. That fatal mistake and the lack of testing that followed is totally on your leaders shoulders.
Why are you so angry at "our leader".  What's it your business?  What's your politics?  What's your nationality?  What's your name?  Why are you hiding here in plain sight? 
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