Covid 19 Updates Part 2

[faberryman]

I would say, nobody is at fault.

Otherwise, you are contradicting the hindsight bias you just mentioned. At every given stage of the events, people, including Trump, were trying their best. No truth is simple, and everything in life is a trade-off. Given the same set of facts, two people would come to a different conclusion, given their preferences for trade-offs. This is true even for the most benevolent intentions.

The situation has been akin to Monday-morning quarterbacking, except every day has been a Monday this year. Every single day the situation changes, and every single day people were trying to make the best decisions based on the available information at that moment. In addition to that, they had to deal with decisions that were made by someone else in the past and in completely different circumstances, going deep several previous administrations.

NHL Abandons Accountability for the 2020-2021 Season

At the end of the season, after the playoffs are over, every coach and player in the league gets a big bonus and an extension of their contract, and gets to spend a special day with the Stanley Cup. After all, it is nobody's fault that some teams lost more games than others.

[John Camp]

So what you’re saying is we should not take all sexual allegations seriously?
 

No, I don't think we should take all sexual allegations seriously. I only think we should take serious allegations seriously.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Italy’s Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported

https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-coronavirus-death-toll-is-far-higher-than-reported-11585767179?mod=hp_lead_pos2&fbclid=IwAR3hCINxkaN5NTEy0B7UG8-3_Li4HopupiJST2t10QScAO2obxHkArbIRec

MILAN—In the town of Coccaglio, an hour’s drive east of here, the local nursing home lost over a third of its residents in March. None of the 24 people who died there were tested for the new coronavirus. Nor were the 38 people who died in another nursing home in the nearby town of Lodi.

These aren’t isolated incidents. Italy’s official death toll from the virus stands at 13,155, the most of any country in the world. But that number tells only part of the story because many people who die from the virus don’t make it to the hospital and are never tested.

In the areas worst hit by the pandemic, Italy is undercounting thousands of deaths caused by the virus, a Wall Street Journal analysis shows, indicating that the pandemic’s human toll may end up being much greater, and infections far more widespread, than official data indicate.

[MattBurt]

Here's an article about the situation here with a local doc on the front lines. The makeshift hospital is at the fairgrounds in my neighborhood where I often walk the dog.

[PeterAit]

Here are some more facts for you Trump supporters to chew on. Yes, facts, on the public record.

In an interview with Sean Hannity on March 26th, Trump made several statements regarding the corona virus situation. At a press briefing on the 29th he was asked questions about these statements. In both cases his response was “I didn’t say that.” Is this who you want for your president?

And as frosting on the cake, Trump is asking that his signature be on the relief checks.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/29/politics/fact-check-coronavirus-briefing 

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... Trump is asking that his signature be on the relief checks...

Haven't we been through this a few pages back? The vast majority of payments will be via direct deposit, not paper checks.

[LesPalenik]

Italy’s Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported

Indeed, Italy (and many other countries) is substantially undercounting the Covid019 deaths. Some of these fatalities will be attributed to pneumonia, flu or age-related illnesses.
At the same time, there are numerous other uncounted deaths due to cancer, heart, diabetes, and other illnesses which couldn't be treated as needed, due to the lack of medical facilities or personnel. Even delayed blood work tests and missed elective surgeries, such as knee and hip replacements contribute to accidents, infections and other problems that kill the patients.

[chez]

It amazes me all this political BS when a major crisis is unfolding. No wonder the US is in such a mess...more focused on political grandstanding than on trying to solve the problem. How the hell can ANYONE say that if we only loose 100,000 people it will be a success. I'd run that ahole right out of the country...but no...so many defend him.

Glad I can sit on the sidelines and just observe this huge mismanagement from outside the USA. I'd hate to be holed up in my home awaiting for your saviour from the whitehouse to come rescue you.

[Craig Lamson]

Here's an article about the situation here with a local doc on the front lines. The makeshift hospital is at the fairgrounds in my neighborhood where I often walk the dog.

Interesting article.  Is the number of cases due to the tourist ski season? 

[Craig Lamson]

It amazes me all this political BS when a major crisis is unfolding. No wonder the US is in such a mess...more focused on political grandstanding than on trying to solve the problem. How the hell can ANYONE say that if we only loose 100,000 people it will be a success. I'd run that ahole right out of the country...but no...so many defend him.

Glad I can sit on the sidelines and just observe this huge mismanagement from outside the USA. I'd hate to be holed up in my home awaiting for your saviour from the whitehouse to come rescue you.

You assume someone else might have/would done a better job. And lets not forget that some of the American people share a large part of the blame for not caring about this and just doing whatever they wanted to do. 

[Craig Lamson]

Here are some more facts for you Trump supporters to chew on. Yes, facts, on the public record.

In an interview with Sean Hannity on March 26th, Trump made several statements regarding the corona virus situation. At a press briefing on the 29th he was asked questions about these statements. In both cases his response was “I didn’t say that.” Is this who you want for your president?

And as frosting on the cake, Trump is asking that his signature be on the relief checks.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/29/politics/fact-check-coronavirus-briefing

Nice spin by CNN.  Is that who you want as your news source?

[MattBurt]

Interesting article.  Is the number of cases due to the tourist ski season?

We suspect it was a combination of tourists and residents who had traveled elsewhere. One of the first confirmed cases was a doctor from Crested Butte who was recently in Hawaii for a medical conference and another (who has since died) owned a pizza place in Crested Butte that was popular with locals and tourists. The pizza place guy wasn't diagnosed until after he died so he would been spreading it unknowingly before he was really sick.

This was early on and historically these kinds of things have not come here first so I think we were unaware as a community until it had spread around quite a bit.

[John Camp]

Nice spin by CNN.  Is that who you want as your news source?

It absolutely befuddles me how somebody can look at a video in which Trump says something, and then another one in which he denies saying it, and call it "spin." What does the source of the video have to do with it? It could just as well been on Fox, except, of course, Fox would never do such a thing.

[JoeKitchen]

No, I don't think we should take all sexual allegations seriously. I only think we should take serious allegations seriously.

Well it is good to know that there is some sanity on the other side. 

But until the NYTs and other outlets apologize for their treatment of Kavanaugh, I am holding them accountable for not reporting on this. 

I fully plan on talking about this allegation, even though it is not very credible, until November and use it as a prime example of hypocrisy. 

[chez]

You assume someone else might have/would done a better job. And lets not forget that some of the American people share a large part of the blame for not caring about this and just doing whatever they wanted to do.

I've seen strong leadership in other countries that is yielding different results. You can't blame the people if their leader is just a spin doctor. The military has a lot of strong leaders that lead soldiers into battle knowing their lives are on the line. Would you follow Trump into battle?

[Alan Klein]

It amazes me all this political BS when a major crisis is unfolding. No wonder the US is in such a mess...more focused on political grandstanding than on trying to solve the problem. How the hell can ANYONE say that if we only loose 100,000 people it will be a success. I'd run that ahole right out of the country...but no...so many defend him.

Glad I can sit on the sidelines and just observe this huge mismanagement from outside the USA. I'd hate to be holed up in my home awaiting for your saviour from the whitehouse to come rescue you.

Your post is 100% political.  Thanks for adding to the din.

[Alan Klein]

I've seen strong leadership in other countries that is yielding different results. You can't blame the people if their leader is just a spin doctor. The military has a lot of strong leaders that lead soldiers into battle knowing their lives are on the line. Would you follow Trump into battle?

Another post of yours that's 100% political.

[Craig Lamson]

It absolutely befuddles me how somebody can look at a video in which Trump says something, and then another one in which he denies saying it, and call it "spin." What does the source of the video have to do with it? It could just as well been on Fox, except, of course, Fox would never do such a thing.

Well first of all there was no video at the link but I digress.  Did you actually watch the Trump/ Hannity interview (Or read the actual transcript) and then read the “ quotes” by CNN.?

If you do, then we can have a discussion about how CNN used the spin cycle.  If not, do the research and get back to me. 

[chez]

Another post of yours that's 100% political.

Alan...I'm just getting sucked into the political vortex that you spearhead. Personally I'm much more concerned about the virus and people that are getting affected...but whenever one tries to discuss this...politics seems to wiggle in.

Who the hell cares if a republican or democrat has the bigger d**k...what the hell is being done to deal with this virus. Saying 100,000 deaths as a victory is just disgusting.

[faberryman]

Who the hell cares if a republican or democrat has the bigger d**k...what the hell is being done to deal with this virus. Saying 100,000 deaths as a victory is just disgusting.

I believe we are up to 240,000 deaths as having done a good job. You have to check in every day to Trump's televised self-adulation hour for updates.