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Jeremy Roussak

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Re: COVID-19 | science, damage limitation, NO POLITICS
« Reply #1780 on: July 14, 2020, 01:07:40 pm »

And guess who is pushing for these openings...you only have one guess. And if you guess right on the first question...you have a bonus question. Guess who is pushing to reopen schools without a plan. Bingo...the bozzo.

Perilously close to politics. Warning. Don't force me to suspend you yet again.

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« Reply #1781 on: July 14, 2020, 01:27:51 pm »

Perilously close to politics. Warning. Don't force me to suspend you yet again.

Jeremy

I've seen the words dems and rep and even Trump posted here...which are directly political. Patrol things with an even keel.
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« Reply #1782 on: July 14, 2020, 02:44:22 pm »

Coronavirus immunity can start to fade away within weeks

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-new-uk-study-shows-antibodies-fade-after-three-weeks-2020-7

This does not sound very promising.
It's close to meaningless.  The immune system can still retain the 'memory' of infection and mount an immune response quickly upon new exposure.  The immune system is complex and there are a number of different types of response.
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« Reply #1783 on: July 14, 2020, 04:42:15 pm »

It's close to meaningless.  The immune system can still retain the 'memory' of infection and mount an immune response quickly upon new exposure.  The immune system is complex and there are a number of different types of response.
I agree.  We should be immune.  The problem is if it mutates like the seasonal flu changes every year.  Or the common cold. Can you imagine having to put up with this every year?

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« Reply #1784 on: July 14, 2020, 09:24:46 pm »

I agree.  We should be immune.  The problem is if it mutates like the seasonal flu changes every year.  Or the common cold. Can you imagine having to put up with this every year?

Well, if the Moderna vaccine works as promised, we can party, go to the beach, and stay immune to the virus.

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Moderna Inc's experimental vaccine for COVID-19 showed it was safe and provoked immune responses in all 45 healthy volunteers in an ongoing early-stage study, U.S. researchers reported on Tuesday. No study volunteers experienced a serious side effect, but more than half reported mild or moderate reactions such as fatigue, headache, chills, muscle aches or pain at the injection site. These were more likely to occur after the second dose and in people who got the highest dose,

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/moderna-phase-1-results-show-210000747.html

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« Reply #1785 on: July 14, 2020, 09:30:29 pm »

Cross your fingers. I think phase 3 trials are starting in less than a couple weeks.
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« Reply #1786 on: July 15, 2020, 11:36:29 am »

Cross your fingers. I think phase 3 trials are starting in less than a couple weeks.

A Moderna guy said on CNBC that because of the surging virus, they expect to have some pretty valid information quickly. That's unlike the reported situation in the UK where the Oxford group suggested that a drop in infection rates might slow the returns.
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« Reply #1787 on: July 15, 2020, 02:40:03 pm »

Cross your fingers. I think phase 3 trials are starting in less than a couple weeks.

Yes, fingers well and truly crossed.

A safe and effective vaccine is our only exit strategy.
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« Reply #1788 on: July 15, 2020, 08:14:56 pm »

A Moderna guy said on CNBC that because of the surging virus, they expect to have some pretty valid information quickly. That's unlike the reported situation in the UK where the Oxford group suggested that a drop in infection rates might slow the returns.
The Oxford vaccine is being tested in Brazil and South Africa.  They will get good data from each of those countries.  The Pfizer mRNA vaccine is superior to the Moderna one from what I have seen of the data.
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« Reply #1789 on: July 16, 2020, 06:38:22 am »

it gets worse in the US; numbers of 15th july
1000 deaths; 70.000 new infections and many states affected
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
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« Reply #1790 on: July 16, 2020, 08:01:02 am »

it gets worse in the US; numbers of 15th july
100 deaths; 70.000 new infections and many states affected
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Your link shows America tested 45 million people or 13.5% of our population.  So cases would be up.  We're testing more.

Here's a better graph that show deaths and cases by date for each state in the US, the whole country and the other countries is the world.
https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+deaths+by+date&rlz=1C1PQCZ_enUS902US902&oq=covid+deaths+by+date&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l7.10915j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

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« Reply #1791 on: July 16, 2020, 08:20:22 am »

Your link shows America tested 45 million people or 13.5% of our population.  So cases would be up.  We're testing more.

Here's a better graph that show deaths and cases by date for each state in the US, the whole country and the other countries is the world.
https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+deaths+by+date&rlz=1C1PQCZ_enUS902US902&oq=covid+deaths+by+date&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l7.10915j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

What also is up is the % positive test cases which is a key number. In places like Florida it used to be something like 5%...now it's jumped over 20%.
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« Reply #1792 on: July 16, 2020, 08:53:56 am »

A friend of mine co-authored this very clear and concise piece.

(Jeremy: Let me know if this belongs in the political playpen)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/15/why-criticism-dr-anthony-fauci-over-covid-19-misguided-column/5441749002
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« Reply #1793 on: July 16, 2020, 09:18:47 am »

What also is up is the % positive test cases which is a key number. In places like Florida it used to be something like 5%...now it's jumped over 20%.

Florida positive numbers are screwed.  A bunch of testing locations only posted positive case numbers, and not the negative numbers, which lead to the positive result for that location ot be 100%. Investigation showed that many were less that 10% instead of 100%.  So take the positive rate for Florida with a grain of salt.

On an interesting side note I had a family member tell me, that her neighbor and her son had been with her father who is 90 and tested positive.    The neighbor was tested and came back negative, her son had an appointment to be tested but canceled. A week later he got a letter from the testing company saying he had tested positive.  Go figure.
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« Reply #1794 on: July 16, 2020, 09:49:39 am »

Florida positive numbers are screwed.  A bunch of testing locations only posted positive case numbers, and not the negative numbers, which lead to the positive result for that location ot be 100%. Investigation showed that many were less that 10% instead of 100%.  So take the positive rate for Florida with a grain of salt.

On an interesting side note I had a family member tell me, that her neighbor and her son had been with her father who is 90 and tested positive.    The neighbor was tested and came back negative, her son had an appointment to be tested but canceled. A week later he got a letter from the testing company saying he had tested positive.  Go figure.

Sure, but the 15,000 positive cases do not lie.
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« Reply #1795 on: July 16, 2020, 09:51:16 am »

And why is it that no number no matter how it's collected or reported can never be trusted? Without real data you are flying by the seat of your pants.
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« Reply #1796 on: July 16, 2020, 10:06:29 am »

And why is it that no number no matter how it's collected or reported can never be trusted? Without real data you are flying by the seat of your pants.
Lies, damn lies and statistics.  :)

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« Reply #1797 on: July 16, 2020, 10:13:36 am »

Your link shows America tested 45 million people or 13.5% of our population.  So cases would be up.  We're testing more.

Here's a better graph that show deaths and cases by date for each state in the US, the whole country and the other countries is the world.
https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+deaths+by+date&rlz=1C1PQCZ_enUS902US902&oq=covid+deaths+by+date&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l7.10915j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

That logic is flawed. Number of tests does not represent number of people tested. Often 2 tests are required to confirm + cases, and two tests to confirm - cases.

Also, the percentage of positive results in 100 tests in the US is much higher than in other countries, which means the infection is still very active.

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« Reply #1798 on: July 16, 2020, 10:32:24 am »

Lies, damn lies and statistics.  :)

Please stop repeating this nonsense.
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« Reply #1799 on: July 16, 2020, 10:33:16 am »

Lies, damn lies and statistics.  :)

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