Pages: 1 [2]   Go Down

Author Topic: Canon Confirms 8K EOS R Camera in Development  (Read 1092 times)

phila

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 324
    • www.philaphoto.com
Re: Canon Confirms 8K EOS R Camera in Development
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2020, 11:47:20 pm »

"(Except some super-slow zooms like 24-105/4-7.1 R, 100-500/4.5-7.1 R, and 24-200/6.3 Z; those mystify me.)"

Clearly the intent is for cheaper, smaller lenses at the "price" of having to increase your ISO from 100 to 400 (roughly), everything else being equal. Depending on the results from the new sensor that may well be a worthwhile trade - particularly for the lenses aimed at the average consumer. Again depending on results it may be a good outcome for the backpacking pro with the 100-500. I shot quite a bit with the NFD 150-600 way back in the day and concept (we'll wait to see the reality) of a 500mm lens that small definitely has appeal.

kers

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Online Online
  • Posts: 2780
    • Pieter Kers
Re: Canon Confirms 8K EOS R Camera in Development
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2020, 06:11:55 am »

...
Aside: I do not agree with some criticisms that seem based on a doctrine that high quality lenses only go with big, heavy high frame rate, square-bodied "pro sports" models; I have no problem with Canon's and Nikon's initial priorities for mirrorless bodies and lenses. (Except some super-slow zooms like 24-105/4-7.1 R, 100-500/4.5-7.1 R, and 24-200/6.3 Z; those mystify me.)

These slow zooms make a small lightweight zoomlens possible that you can use in daylight. Optically they can be very good. The 24-200 lens of nikon weighs only 570 gram.
Logged

BernardLanguillier

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 13099
    • http://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardlanguillier/sets/
Re: Canon Confirms 8K EOS R Camera in Development
« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2020, 07:58:15 am »

One thing that puzzles me with the Nikon Z roadmap is the absence of a 85mm f1.2.

This is to me by far the most appealing lens in the Canon R line up, and Nikon should know that however amazing their 85mm f1.8 is (it may be my favourite lens ever), it just doesn’t have half the appeal of a 85mm f1.2.

Once again Nikon is let down by their abysmal marketing.

Well done Canon!!!

Cheers,
Bernard
« Last Edit: February 14, 2020, 08:01:54 am by BernardLanguillier »
Logged

BJL

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 6560
24-105/4-7.1 and 100-500/4.5-7.1 R lenses
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2020, 10:54:41 pm »

What puzzles me about f/7.1 kit zooms is that the combination of such a lens with a body like the RP (for which it seems mainly destined, as a new kit lens) mostly reduces the capabilities (speed, DOF control, etc.) to what one could get from a distinctly less expensive combination in a smaller format, using an "equivalent" lens; for example, in "APS-C equivalent" terms the Canon 24-105/4-7.1 R is a "16-70/2.7-4.7" and the 100-500/4.5-7.1 is "67-333/3-4.7" so a bit brighter at the wide end than the typical f/3.5-4.5 designs, but that is not where the speed needs mostly lie.
 
The current RP kit option of a superzoom 24-240/4-6.2 is equivalent to 18-180/2.7-4.1 which is more reasonable, though still not beyond what a viable APS-C lens could offer, and probably at a lower body+lens price.

Greater dynamic range at base ISO speed might be worth it for some customers, but I suspect not for most of the entry-level kit customers. (Aside: I expect that DR at base ISO speed will be less and less an issue due to technological advances like multi-shot frame stacking, with hand-held option now arriving.)

Still, it seems that Canon has a goal of consolidating almost everything on the 36x24mm format, and maybe the cost efficiencies of letting EF-S and M mount systems fade away are seen as being worth it in the shrinking ILC market.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2020, 10:55:58 am by BJL »
Logged

Martin Kristiansen

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1389
    • Martin Kristiansen
Re: Canon Confirms 8K EOS R Camera in Development
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2020, 01:34:27 am »

Couldn’t care less about 8k video. I shoot video commercially and couldn’t care less about 4K quite honestly since almost everything I get paid to shoot ends upon a phone.

But the rest of the specs on this new camera are really solid looking. And Canons lens line up is very strong although expensive. I can see all this keeping current Canon users loyal to the brand but will it tempt the folk back to the fold that left for Sony in the past few years? For me not in part because I am now too heavily invested in Sony glass and I am now comfortable with the system.

Good one Canon.
Logged
Commercial photography is 10% inspiration and 90% moving furniture around.

Manoli

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1630
Re: Canon Confirms 8K EOS R Camera in Development
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2020, 06:11:16 am »

Couldn’t care less about 8k video. I shoot video commercially and couldn’t care less about 4K quite honestly

You, me, my grandmother and probably 90% of the target client base. But they can, so they do - future proofing.

But the rest of the specs on this new camera are really solid looking. And Canons lens line up is very strong although expensive [...] I am now too heavily invested in Sony glass and I am now comfortable with the system.

Good one Canon.

Moving forward, how long is that 'restriction' going to dominate your decision making ?

It seems clear, at least to me, that the market #1 slot is still wide open. Sony started a 'new' business model by pricing their bodies 'down' and 'upping' the pricing on their proprietary mount glass, (who'd heard of  ~$900 for a 50/1.8 ?) - it wasn't till later that the more economical ~200 buck range were introduced. The appeal of, IMO, sub-standard build quality more than 'lessened' their appeal: 70-200/4 zooms cracking in half, not-the-best teardowns by LensRentals allied to a quasi dysfuncional service/repair operation etc etc - not the stuff to inspire religious fervour amongst the masses.

So my question is where does the market go from here ?  Canon holds market share ( just look at the LensRentals Most Popular 2019 list below), followed by Sony and Nikon. What's overlooked is the L alliance : Leica, Panasonic and Sigma. Sigma has glass with native mount for both L-mount and Sony, as well as legacy CaNikon glass. Panasonic has the S1H, which AFAIK, is the only 'Netflix' approved MILC and Leica has the uber-appealing SL2. Just to nail the interoperability, both Leica and Sigma have native PL to L-mount adapters. All together a well rounded market wide offering that the CNS threesome are going to have to confront in the future ...

My point being that, as the old maxim goes ' You marry your lenses, but date your camera bodies '. Canon, by all accounts, are producing stellar glass soon to be allied to hopefully 'excellent' bodies, but will it be enough ?

All above, IMO - YMMV

A Leica, Panasonic, and Sigma L-Mount Camera Guide





Logged

Martin Kristiansen

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1389
    • Martin Kristiansen
Re: Canon Confirms 8K EOS R Camera in Development
« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2020, 10:42:12 am »

I will stick with Sony until I feel my lenses need a big overhaul. Then I will and see what is around. At the moment my only non Sony lens is a lovely Sigma 14 to 24. I have used too many systems in my life to feel religious about any of it. Currently I really like the Sony system but I felt like that about Leaf, Canon, Linhof and various other systems in the past. 

I am pleased to see Canon stepping up. It will prod the other manufacturers as well.
Logged
Commercial photography is 10% inspiration and 90% moving furniture around.

BJL

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 6560
Canon Confirms 8K EOS R Camera in Development—who has more lens inertia?
« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2020, 11:04:57 am »

As fas as a system's advantage of lens-ownership inertia, we seem to be in a contest of
"which 35mm format MILC system has more native lenses in use?" (Sony, well ahead of Canon and Nikon)
vs
"which 35mm format MILC system has more lenses in use?" (Canon, then Nikon, well ahead of Sony)

And about the same comparisons if instead one counts the models and variety of lens options.

I'll let others debate how good or bad it is to use EF lenses on R bodies or F lenses on Z bodies.
Logged

Manoli

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1630
Re: Canon Confirms 8K EOS R Camera in Development
« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2020, 11:05:45 am »

@Martin Kristiansen
I used your post as an illustration of a dilemma many are facing, including myself.  I didn't intend any criticism. I hope you didn't interpret it that way, but if you did, my apologies.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2020, 11:11:51 am by Manoli »
Logged

Martin Kristiansen

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1389
    • Martin Kristiansen
Re: Canon Confirms 8K EOS R Camera in Development
« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2020, 11:09:39 am »

@Martin Kristiansen
I used your post as an illustration of what many of us must be thinking, I didn't intend any criticism. I hope you didn't interpret it that way, but if you did, my apologies.

Not at all. I thought your post was on the money.
Logged
Commercial photography is 10% inspiration and 90% moving furniture around.

sdwilsonsct

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3177
Re: Canon Confirms 8K EOS R Camera in Development
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2020, 02:37:44 pm »

Several sites reporting possible early (mid-Feb) release of a pro-grade EOS-R:

This pro-grade has the features I've been missing since my amateur-oriented 50D: a joystick and a rear control dial in the usual place.  ???

BJL

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 6560
Re: Canon Confirms 8K EOS R Camera in Development
« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2020, 04:19:12 pm »

Scoring the rumors, in case there is confusion between this rumor summary and what Canon subsequently announced:

Named the Canon EOS R5  YES
45mp full-frame CMOS sensor  all we know is at least 33MP, due to 8K
IBIS with 5 stops stabilisation, up to 7-8 stops with optical (O.I.S) lens based stabiliisation working in tandem
IBIS and the ability to work with in-lens IS; no specs on stops of benefit.
12fps mechanical, 20fps electronic YES
Scroll wheel added to the back (HURRAH!) YES
No touch bar (HURRAH!) YES
Liveview/Movie toggle like previous EOS DSLRs (HURRAH!) [?]
Larger capacity battery, but looks like the LP-E6 [?]
8K @ 30fps
4K @ 120fps
4K @ 60fps
8K, but no further details
Built-in 5GHz WiFi
Probably: "improved transmission functionality"
Announcement ahead of CP+ next month (Feb 13th) [Sort of; not a full announcement]
Launching in July 2020 (I’m assuming this means ship date) [?]
Logged
Pages: 1 [2]   Go Up