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Re: Interesting debate about street Photography
« Reply #60 on: February 14, 2020, 05:17:50 am »

You have still not told me what there is about the Goldin picture that I missed.


If your reaction is : ďAidsĒ, and then a personal take on the photographer: Or you missed everything , or you block what the picture shows, for one or another reason.
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Re: Interesting debate about street Photography
« Reply #61 on: February 14, 2020, 06:25:20 am »

If your reaction is : ďAidsĒ, and then a personal take on the photographer: Or you missed everything , or you block what the picture shows, for one or another reason.

Ivo, that is still just your projection about what you think that I think; I asked you about what you thought about the image that I - or the rest of us - may be missing.

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Re: Interesting debate about street Photography
« Reply #62 on: February 14, 2020, 08:27:17 am »

Ivo, that is still just your projection about what you think that I think; I asked you about what you thought about the image that I - or the rest of us - may be missing.

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No Rob, this was your answer, not what I think your answer was. 😉
It is not about what you or I may be missing, itís about the think process behind the appreciation of an image.

Anyhow. I can tell you:

1: What I see as a viewer: a man kissing another very sick, maybe dying man.
2: What I feel as a viewer: I feel uncomfortable close, I have double feelings, Iím not sure why (is it context or the knowledge of Goldinís body of work?) but I feel on one hand a bit aversion because Iím not into kissing men. And on the other hand I feel the tenderness how the one man approaches the other man. Strange enough, if it where two brothers, the emphatic element would not poke me the same way as the image does now, because I assume to look at a homosexual couple.
The tenderness of the scene makes me shameful for the pejorative feelings I have.
2: What I feel as photographer: TL lights, always difficult. But somehow it addís to the discomfort of the image. I wish I was there, with my camera.

Is that a reply?
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Re: Interesting debate about street Photography
« Reply #63 on: February 14, 2020, 09:16:56 am »

. . .itís about the think process behind the appreciation of an image.

Is that a reply?

No, it isn't, Ivo. The "think process" has nothing to do with the appreciation of great art. You react to great art with a part of your soul that has nothing to do with thinking. I know you won't read it, or if you do, you won't understand it, but at least try "Touching the Seer."
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Re: Interesting debate about street Photography
« Reply #64 on: February 14, 2020, 10:29:29 am »

No Rob, this was your answer, not what I think your answer was. 😉
It is not about what you or I may be missing, itís about the think process behind the appreciation of an image.

Anyhow. I can tell you:

1: What I see as a viewer: a man kissing another very sick, maybe dying man.
2: What I feel as a viewer: I feel uncomfortable close, I have double feelings, Iím not sure why (is it context or the knowledge of Goldinís body of work?) but I feel on one hand a bit aversion because Iím not into kissing men. And on the other hand I feel the tenderness how the one man approaches the other man. Strange enough, if it where two brothers, the emphatic element would not poke me the same way as the image does now, because I assume to look at a homosexual couple.
The tenderness of the scene makes me shameful for the pejorative feelings I have.
2: What I feel as photographer: TL lights, always difficult. But somehow it addís to the discomfort of the image. I wish I was there, with my camera.

Is that a reply?

It's the reply you give me, no argument about that. However, it doesn't reveal anything beyond what my Aids comment did in a single acronym. It just carries all the baggage straight people carry. It falls neatly into Goldin's bag: the downside of life and relationships, the more grim the better.

Rob

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Re: Interesting debate about street Photography
« Reply #65 on: February 14, 2020, 10:47:29 am »

It's the reply you give me, no argument about that. However, it doesn't reveal anything beyond what my Aids comment did in a single acronym. It just carries all the baggage straight people carry. It falls neatly into Goldin's bag: the downside of life and relationships, the more grim the better.

Rob

No problem Rob.

I think the bottom line lies in the bold text in your reply....
=> not all straight people carry that bagage. This is a generation formed bagage. I donít carry the same bagage about the subject as other generations do. And probably, younger generation even donít understand our debate about kissing men.




Question on the side, what does the following image do with your straight bagage?  ;) ;) :)
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Re: Interesting debate about street Photography
« Reply #66 on: February 14, 2020, 10:58:22 am »

It's the reply you give me, no argument about that. However, it doesn't reveal anything beyond what my Aids comment did in a single acronym. It just carries all the baggage straight people carry. It falls neatly into Goldin's bag: the downside of life and relationships, the more grim the better.

Rob

Yes, very true. But is this not one of the merits of here work? Reveal what was not seen? I met Nan Goldin in Rotterdam where she opened here exhibition. She didnít search for this extravaganza, this was here life. And she documented it.
One of the Dutch speaker talked about how she documented the downside of society, it made here pissed off. She answered something like this: You donít understand one single thing of my work. I did not search to document the downside of life. It was my life, my best friends, my loved ones, it is who I was.

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Re: Interesting debate about street Photography
« Reply #67 on: February 14, 2020, 11:21:12 am »

... what does the following image do with your straight bagage?  ;) ;) :)

It tells me that the alphabet soup of freaks is going to get humanity extinct faster than the global warming  ;)

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Re: Interesting debate about street Photography
« Reply #68 on: February 14, 2020, 03:04:19 pm »

It tells me that the alphabet soup of freaks is going to get humanity extinct faster than the global warming  ;)

Wow....
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Re: Interesting debate about street Photography
« Reply #69 on: February 14, 2020, 03:12:55 pm »

No, it isn't, Ivo. The "think process" has nothing to do with the appreciation of great art. You react to great art with a part of your soul that has nothing to do with thinking. I know you won't read it, or if you do, you won't understand it, but at least try "Touching the Seer."


It is a mental thing, Russ. That is exact what it is. But donít judge my mental state lesser than yours. That would be a mistake.
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Re: Interesting debate about street Photography
« Reply #70 on: February 14, 2020, 03:14:54 pm »

It tells me that the alphabet soup of freaks is going to get humanity extinct faster than the global warming  ;)

If AIDS and Coronavirus don't do it just before global warming does.

Well, the 60s ushered in some good things, but also the opposite. It sure didn't invent them, but before that they were broadly off the menu and not advertised, and you know why folks advertise: it works. That's why we have curry shops where there were none before: news spreads and people try... do you remember flypaper?

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Re: Interesting debate about street Photography
« Reply #71 on: February 14, 2020, 03:17:42 pm »

If AIDS and Coronavirus don't do it just before global warming does.

Well, the 60s ushered in some good things, but also the opposite. It sure didn't invent them, but before that they were broadly off the menu and not advertised, and you know why folks advertise: it works. That's why we have curry shops where there were none before: news spreads and people try... do you remember flypaper?

Rob

Well, I know one generation that didnít spare any effort to distinct humanity and this was not by kissing same sex. But i admit, there was something Ďgayí
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Re: Interesting debate about street Photography
« Reply #72 on: February 14, 2020, 03:18:01 pm »


It is a mental thing, Russ. That is exact what it is. But donít judge my mental state lesser than yours. That would be a mistake.

I haven't a clue what you just said, Ivo, but you can be sure I won't even attempt to judge your mental state. I'm not a psychiatrist.
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Re: Interesting debate about street Photography
« Reply #73 on: February 14, 2020, 03:20:55 pm »

I haven't a clue what you just said, Ivo, but you can be sure I won't even attempt to judge your mental state. I'm not a psychiatrist.

You are saying Iím a looney-tick, Russ? Is that what you are saying? Be a real hero, and just say it.
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Re: Interesting debate about street Photography
« Reply #74 on: February 14, 2020, 03:25:35 pm »

I wouldn't deign to answer a question like that, Ivo.
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Re: Interesting debate about street Photography
« Reply #75 on: February 14, 2020, 03:26:46 pm »

I wouldn't deign to answer a question like that, Ivo.

Hero...  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Interesting debate about street Photography
« Reply #76 on: February 15, 2020, 11:27:06 am »

Unfortunately. Thatís why America remains the only truly free country for photographers... and in general.

See how free you are pointing your camera into the faces of people in east LA.
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Re: Interesting debate about street Photography
« Reply #77 on: February 15, 2020, 11:45:54 am »

See how free you are pointing your camera into the faces of people in east LA.

Your free to do it...But is it wise? In much of life, that is always the question.

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Re: Interesting debate about street Photography
« Reply #78 on: February 16, 2020, 07:17:55 am »

See how free you are pointing your camera into the faces of people in east LA.

It's different in the United States, Chez.
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