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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3500 on: January 29, 2020, 09:30:03 am »

As i recall it were the republicans that made a 180 degrees turn when they realized that Trump was going to be the winning candidate; The democrats just were and are and stayed the democrats.
From day one Trump has been ...lying about the most simple facts anybody could check... has been daily vomiting on twitter ... has turned the presidency into a kind of family Soprano dynasty ... has even changed the course of hurricanes if they did not suite him.
And now he has tried to change the course of the election of 2020 to his advantage by abusing his presidential power.
It is in this light the consitution is under threat and action is a neccessity for democrats and republicans alike.
You don;t know anything about America.  We don;t fired our presidents.  We unelect them. 

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« Reply #3501 on: January 29, 2020, 09:32:39 am »

That has got to be the craziest thing posted in this tread yet.

Craig, you have to understand that Bernard resides in Japan. He's completely out of touch except for the "news" media and TV, both of which are oriented in one direction. He only gets one side of the story, so don't expect him to understand the situation.
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« Reply #3502 on: January 29, 2020, 09:35:38 am »

You don;t know anything about America.  We don;t fired our presidents.  We unelect them.

As they say;  you don't have to go to the Antarctic to know it is cold...
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« Reply #3503 on: January 29, 2020, 09:38:06 am »

As they say;  you don't have to go to the Antarctic to know it is cold...
Looking at photos of the Grand Canyon is not the same as visiting.

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« Reply #3504 on: January 29, 2020, 09:45:04 am »

It was stunning yesterday, watching the heads of Israel and of the States hold hands and mutually kiss ass, both of them under investigation for crimes of one sort or another, blithely think it wonderfull to carve out parts of the Jordan Valley and Palestinian territory. One has to wonder if they are truly mad or just think of the Palestinians as non-people; you know, like the tribes that had the run of America before the Europeans moved in with their superior weaponry.

How amazingly comforting for Benji to be negotiating Israeli expansionism with the Jewish son-in-law of the "most powerful man in the world"; and yet, some question why the Palestinians refuse to attend and thus legitimise those cosy sewing meetings! As it's said, turkeys choosing how to be cooked for Christmas seems something from the land of the absurd. Funny only the Palestinians realise that tiny detail.

Just ask how the people of Florida might feel if some non-American third party decided to tell them how little they should be allowed to retain of their own land, controlled their boat access to the Gulf and the Atlantic, and by road into the other states.

Maybe that's why the modern gun lobby is what it is: it learned from the Palestinians what can happen to you.

Rob

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« Reply #3505 on: January 29, 2020, 09:46:58 am »

Craig, you have to understand that Bernard resides in Japan. He's completely out of touch except for the "news" media and TV, both of which are oriented in one direction. He only gets one side of the story, so don't expect him to understand the situation.

I know that, and I cut him some slack because of it.
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« Reply #3506 on: January 29, 2020, 09:50:37 am »

This is an interesting link to the Ukraine timeline and the document includes a lot of supporting links.

Great website name too.  Sure to make Lib  heads explode with claim of “ this is not a reputable source”.  But let them dispute the claims.  Nope, no need to investigate the Bidens..

https://thedonald.win/p/3ijH7Ac/the-real-ukraine-scandal-part-1/
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« Reply #3507 on: January 29, 2020, 10:03:13 am »

It was stunning yesterday, watching the heads of Israel and of the States hold hands and mutually kiss ass, both of them under investigation for crimes of one sort or another, blithely think it wonderfull to carve out parts of the Jordan Valley and Palestinian territory. One has to wonder if they are truly mad or just think of the Palestinians as non-people; you know, like the tribes that had the run of America before the Europeans moved in with their superior weaponry.

How amazingly comforting for Benji to be negotiating Israeli expansionism with the Jewish son-in-law of the "most powerful man in the world"; and yet, some question why the Palestinians refuse to attend and thus legitimise those cosy sewing meetings! As it's said, turkeys choosing how to be cooked for Christmas seems something from the land of the absurd. Funny only the Palestinians realise that tiny detail.

Just ask how the people of Florida might feel if some non-American third party decided to tell them how little they should be allowed to retain of their own land, controlled their boat access to the Gulf and the Atlantic, and by road into the other states.

Maybe that's why the modern gun lobby is what it is: it learned from the Palestinians what can happen to you.

Rob

Well heck yes, let’s just have them keep just lobbing rockets and trying to kill each other.  Much more productive don’t you think than trying to find some solution.  Yea, that’s the ticket.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3508 on: January 29, 2020, 10:22:42 am »

... One has to wonder if they are truly mad or just think of the Palestinians as non-people...

Rob, wasn't it the Brits who royally (how else) screwed the Palestinians post WWII?

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« Reply #3509 on: January 29, 2020, 10:24:41 am »

I'm not sure how that would be done since the DOJ prosecutes as do the states.  Why just call Hunter?  Call Joe Biden as well since it's his testimony that would confirm or refute whether there as something illegal going on.  If Bidens got nothing to hide, he should be willing to testify.  No? :)

The testimony would be inadmissible in any court proceeding. 
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« Reply #3510 on: January 29, 2020, 10:59:48 am »

Rob, wasn't it the Brits who royally (how else) screwed the Palestinians post WWII?

Which makes it okay for the USA to do the same, how?
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« Reply #3511 on: January 29, 2020, 11:22:44 am »

You don;t know anything about America.  We don;t fired our presidents.  We unelect them.

The point is not removing Trump, which of course will never happen given the makeup of the Senate. The point is getting the information out there so the people can decide next December. Unfortunately, many people have their fingers stuck in their ears and don't care about what is really going on. Sort of like the GOP senators.
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« Reply #3512 on: January 29, 2020, 11:30:05 am »

The testimony would be inadmissible in any court proceeding.

What the Bidens did or didn't do is totally irrelevant to the impeachment proceedings. They could be corrupt as hell or totally innocent, doesn't matter. The issue is what Trump did to get the Ukraine to investigate them. So, the GOP trying to call them as witnesses is nothing more than a distraction and delaying tactic.
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« Reply #3513 on: January 29, 2020, 11:49:52 am »

This is an interesting link to the Ukraine timeline and the document includes a lot of supporting links.

Great website name too.  Sure to make Lib  heads explode with claim of “ this is not a reputable source”.  But let them dispute the claims.  Nope, no need to investigate the Bidens..

https://thedonald.win/p/3ijH7Ac/the-real-ukraine-scandal-part-1/

Can anyone with the wits of an oyster take seriously a website called thedonald.win? Obviously, the answer is "no." This is on the same level as the "swift boat" gang who spent a lot of time and money spreading lies about John Kerry's service in Vietnam.
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« Reply #3514 on: January 29, 2020, 12:07:01 pm »

Can anyone with the wits of an oyster take seriously a website called thedonald.win? Obviously, the answer is "no." This is on the same level as the "swift boat" gang who spent a lot of time and money spreading lies about John Kerry's service in Vietnam.


LOL!  Here come the usual suspects with their hair on fire.  Refute the claims if you can.  Or are you afraid of what they may actually tell you.  Heres a hint, if you look it is well sourced with links to "reputable" sources.  Of course you didn't look, did you?

Ignore the facts at your own peril.
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« Reply #3515 on: January 29, 2020, 12:07:59 pm »

What the Bidens did or didn't do is totally irrelevant to the impeachment proceedings. They could be corrupt as hell or totally innocent, doesn't matter. The issue is what Trump did to get the Ukraine to investigate them. So, the GOP trying to call them as witnesses is nothing more than a distraction and delaying tactic.

Nice try, a failure, but nice try regardless.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3516 on: January 29, 2020, 12:28:05 pm »

It was stunning yesterday, watching the heads of Israel and of the States hold hands and mutually kiss ass, both of them under investigation for crimes of one sort or another, blithely think it wonderfull to carve out parts of the Jordan Valley and Palestinian territory.

I'm not familiar enough with Israeli law or politics to know how the announcement will benefit Netanyahu, but the timing from Trump's perspective couldn't be better.  Perhaps as soon as the end of the week, the Senate will decide by majority vote whether to summon witnesses in the impeachment trial, several of whom could provide testimony that would undermine Trump's defense—in particular, former national security advisor John Bolton, who has already revealed in the manuscript of a forthcoming memoir what he believes were Trump's motives for delaying congressionally-appropriated military assistance to Ukraine.

Public opinion surveys indicate that a large majority of likely voters, including approximately half of those who identify themselves as Republicans, want witnesses to be called.  But public sentiment in general tends to have less influence over American politicians than the views of the political activists within their respective parties.

I suspect the timing of the announcement of the Middle East "peace plan" and quite possibly at least to some extent its substance were intended to energize parts of Trump's political base that could influence Republican Party senators who are considering voting with the Democrats to include witness testimony rather than proceed immediately to judgment.  The critical constituency isn't Jewish voters or donors, who are divided both in their party affiliations and their approach to an Israeli-Palestinian settlement, but Christian evangelicals, who believe the Jewish state is a biblical imperative and whose support or opposition is critical to many of the Republican senators who must run for re-election this year.

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« Reply #3517 on: January 29, 2020, 12:41:32 pm »

What the Bidens did or didn't do is totally irrelevant to the impeachment proceedings. They could be corrupt as hell or totally innocent, doesn't matter. The issue is what Trump did to get the Ukraine to investigate them. So, the GOP trying to call them as witnesses is nothing more than a distraction and delaying tactic.

LOL. 

The president has the right and responsibility to investigate corruption.  If the Bidens appeared corrupt, then the president can and must investigate, which is what Trump is claiming he did.  So, point in fact, the Bidens have a lot to do with this impeachment. 
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« Reply #3518 on: January 29, 2020, 12:56:35 pm »

I am putting the odds at 60% that witnesses will not be called. 

Cocaine Mitch is going to put forth a resolution that will call both Hunter Biden and Bolton with a single vote.  If the Dems want Bolton then they will be forced to vote for Hunter as well.  This puts the Dems in a no win situation.   

The impeachment is already inflicting enough damage on Biden that now it will be more then likely a contested convention.  Biden's polling numbers are going down compared to Bernie's.  At this point in time, this is already a no win situation for the dems, but would still give them a fighting chance to maintain the house.  Fact is, if Biden and Bernie both have around 40% of the vote, neither one can be voted for since picking either would split the party.  On top of that, since all other candidates are polling in the low teens, none of them can be picked either.  So the only option is to pick someone not currently running, which never works unless there is some outside major event taking place like the Great Depression.  So, this path leads the Dems to loose the presidency but still gives them a 50/50 of maintaining the house. 

If Hunter testifies, Joe Biden's candidacy is over and Bernie wins.  Right now, 76% of the country identify as either conservative or centrist, and Bernie is so far to the left, even centrists need a telescope to see him.  So Bernie has no path to 270.  On top of that though, Bernie as the candidate puts the Dems between a rock and a hard place.  Either support Bernie and loose all credibility, or denounce Bernie, which for all intents and purposes would be an endorsement for Trump.  (FYI, Bernie's plans are so radical, that any answer to any question on whether you support those plans besides a clear no would be a suicidal political move.)  I suspect most Dems would pick the former, and that, combined with voting to impeach, would cost many Dems their seats, allowing the Republicans to take back the house. 

Not calling any witnesses would be the best play for the Dems, and, maybe if Obama endorses Biden, Biden could even win the primary fair and square.  But if Hunter testifies, even an endorsement from Obama will not save Sleepy Joe.

With that being said, I would not be surprised if the Dems cut off their nose to spite their face and call Hunter to get Bolton. 
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3519 on: January 29, 2020, 01:05:41 pm »

Rob, wasn't it the Brits who royally (how else) screwed the Palestinians post WWII?


As many other peope, including those in Rhodesia.

It does nor forgive Israeli (100% supported physically if sometimes not verbally by the USA) and the USA for the charade taking place today and over many years.

And for Craig: lobbing rockets over the fence is tit for tat. What would you do if held virtual prisoner in your slum? Apart from emboldening Israel in grabbing ever more land for settlements, the US has contributed what, apart from arms? In echoes of Ukraine, the US also played the withholding game concerning aid to the Palestinians. Nice.
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