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Rob C

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Re: Brexit Encore
« Reply #1120 on: September 09, 2019, 04:41:30 pm »

And you think Canadian are not?


Who can tell? They are partly French, you know.

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Re: Brexit Encore
« Reply #1121 on: September 09, 2019, 05:15:50 pm »

Alan, you have a learning disability: this has all been explained to you by different correspondents over and over again: there is not a problem between myself and the UK health system. There is a problem with me and the Brexit camp. Hey friggin' soos! What's so difficult for you to grasp in that?

And guess what: your attention span doesn't even last over one post: I was writing about the Spanish health system, not my own country's.

I give up. I try to answer you, help you understand s few simple facts snd you just don't take it in, or don't want to do so because your little world of imagined American superiority might not look so suoerior after all if you did take that almighty risk of thinking outside your national comfort box.

Please, don't answer me; don't address me and just live your life as if I had never existed.
I understand very clearly.  Brexit wouldn't be a problem if there wasn't government health care.   What's so hard to understand about that?

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« Reply #1122 on: September 09, 2019, 05:30:15 pm »

I understand very clearly.  Brexit wouldn't be a problem if there wasn't government health care.   What's so hard to understand about that?

In a way you’re right Alan - without reciprocal health care rights, Rob could never have afforded to go live in Spain, so now Brexit would not be such a problem for hm.
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« Reply #1123 on: September 09, 2019, 05:50:54 pm »

In a way you’re right Alan - without reciprocal health care rights, Rob could never have afforded to go live in Spain, so now Brexit would not be such a problem for hm.
There would be lower taxes if there was no national health care.  With the extra money, you could afford private health care.  With private health insurance you can go wherever you want whenever you want.   

The problem is government fails us.  Not only in GB.  Here too.  Our Social Security will run out of money by 2034 reducing payments to 80% of what they are now.  Not that they pay that much in the first place.  The average monthly Social Security payment is $1500.  That's about $9 an hour if you were working 40 hours a week for it.  For comparison, the minimum wage here has been raised to $15 an hour in many places which is nearly impossible to live on much less $9 an hour.  They should drop the word Security in Social Security.  It's a joke.  They just raised normal retirement age again from 66 to 67.  Imagine a bricklayer working until 67.  They keep raising how much they take out of your salary.  Social Security is taxed and they';re raising the levels. 

Medicare, our national health coverage for seniors,  is going broke quicker.  with it though, the government is really raise the deductions from your salary.  There's no limit.  Meanwhile it's not free to seniors using it either.  My wife and I spend around $5-6000 a year for it plus another couple of thousand for supplemental private health insurance. 

We're all kidding ourselves.  There's no such thing as a free lunch. 

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Re: Brexit Encore
« Reply #1124 on: September 09, 2019, 06:16:24 pm »

...With private health insurance you can go wherever you want whenever you want...

If by "wherever" you mean abroad, the above is not correct.

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« Reply #1125 on: September 09, 2019, 11:06:14 pm »

If by "wherever" you mean abroad, the above is not correct.
Rob lives in Spain.  He could get private health care there as could any other foreigner.
https://www.expatica.com/es/healthcare/healthcare-basics/health-insurance-439814/

I imagine private health care insurance is available in many other countries as well.  If you can't get it, and you're not covered by that country's health care system, don;t go there. 

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« Reply #1126 on: September 09, 2019, 11:08:26 pm »

Cigna, Aetna and others provide health care insurance in Spain.
https://www.expatica.com/es/health-insurance-quotes/

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« Reply #1127 on: September 09, 2019, 11:21:47 pm »

Why did parliament just refuse again  to allow an election?  Wouldn't that settle the issue once and for all whether the public really wants Brexit or not?    It seems to this outsider, that anti-Brexit's must feel they don;t have the votes to defeat Brexit.  That it's just a lot of hot air that the people don't want it any more.   

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« Reply #1128 on: September 09, 2019, 11:22:51 pm »

"Call for snap UK general election fails (again) for Boris Johnson"
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/09/europe/uk-boris-johnson-snap-election-vote-gbr-intl/index.html

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« Reply #1129 on: September 10, 2019, 01:12:45 am »

Why did parliament just refuse again  to allow an election?  Wouldn't that settle the issue once and for all whether the public really wants Brexit or not?    It seems to this outsider, that anti-Brexit's must feel they don;t have the votes to defeat Brexit.  That it's just a lot of hot air that the people don't want it any more.   

You said above that you'd rather shoot yourself than read about Brexit, so why are you asking? 
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Re: Brexit Encore
« Reply #1130 on: September 10, 2019, 08:26:33 am »

I said I'd rather blow my brains out than do what faberman wanted me to do:..."Your assignment is to google "prorogation brexit", read the first ten articles, and then come back and give us a report."  That's a bit too much.
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But I'm still interested in Brexit.   Just a simple answer to my question about elections.

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« Reply #1131 on: September 10, 2019, 09:02:03 am »

Why did parliament just refuse again  to allow an election?  Wouldn't that settle the issue once and for all whether the public really wants Brexit or not?    It seems to this outsider, that anti-Brexit's must feel they don;t have the votes to defeat Brexit.  That it's just a lot of hot air that the people don't want it any more.   

It's only a question of timing, and wrong to see it as just anti-Brexit. The majority in Parliament is an alliance of those who would vote for Brexit with a deal, and those who are anti-Brexit in any case.

The timing issue is that even if Parliament did allow him an early election, the system lets BJ change its date. So he could use that loophole to change it to after 31 October when Brexit is currently due, preventing Parliament from obstructing his boneheaded interpretation of Brexit. They simply don't trust BJ - not even his own brother does! An election will probably be called some time after the kamikaze Brexit is prevented.

There are also tactical issues like letting BJ stew, and providing more time for voter registration especially in university towns. An election isn't due till 2022, so what kind of fool would let BJ call an election on his terms?
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Alan Klein

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Re: Brexit Encore
« Reply #1132 on: September 10, 2019, 09:27:43 am »

Why would the EU sweeten the deal for Britain and give more than they gave already?  How long would new negotiations take anyway?  What's the "drop dead" date for Brexit to happen in any case?   

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« Reply #1133 on: September 10, 2019, 09:34:26 am »

One last question.  What advantage is it to Boris to have a no-deal Brexit that he's pushing? 

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« Reply #1134 on: September 10, 2019, 09:44:28 am »

One last question.  What advantage is it to Boris to have a no-deal Brexit that he's pushing?

You have to understand that Boris does not really have any beliefs or principles - he just does whatever he thinks is best for him personally. He voted twice against the previous deal (WA) and once for it, so he has no convictions. In the present case he has gained personal advantage (power, ego) from selling himself as a patriotic independent Englander. "No deal" is just part of that image - no matter if the country is screwed.
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Re: Brexit Encore
« Reply #1135 on: September 10, 2019, 09:48:23 am »

Why would the EU sweeten the deal for Britain and give more than they gave already?
The theory is that they want to avoid no deal because it will damage e.g. German car makes and Irish farmers.
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How long would new negotiations take anyway? 
No idea - the last lot took three years, so it's anyone's guess!
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What's the "drop dead" date for Brexit to happen in any case?
There isn't one in fact - can go on forever in theory. My guess is that there will be an election, Boris will win, and something like no deal will get rammed through. Could well be wrong!!
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Re: Brexit Encore
« Reply #1136 on: September 10, 2019, 09:54:09 am »

One last question... 

How you just made a lot of people on this forum happy  ;)

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« Reply #1137 on: September 10, 2019, 09:58:38 am »

You have to understand that Boris does not really have any beliefs or principles - he just does whatever he thinks is best for him personally. He voted twice against the previous deal (WA) and once for it, so he has no convictions. In the present case he has gained personal advantage (power, ego) from selling himself as a patriotic independent Englander. "No deal" is just part of that image - no matter if the country is screwed.
If that's true, he's not going to negotiate very well being forced to do something he doesn;t want to do.  On the other hand, some deal for trade has to be done as both sides have things to sell the other. 

On the other hand, nothing focuses a person's attention like the hangman's noose.   If there's a hard Brexit, both sides will be faced with a major trade problem.  There won;t be any.  They'll be forced to make a deal rather than just talking about it like they have for three years.  Both sides will be wiling to give concessions as British farm products rot in Britain and German cars sit on the docks going nowhere. 

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« Reply #1138 on: September 10, 2019, 10:03:27 am »

How you just made a lot of people on this forum happy  ;)
I like asking questions.  I learn things.  Also, most people here like to be teachers, mentors.  That's good although we all think we're smarter than the other guy which causes conflict.  :)  Asking questions causes less hostility than just making your point.  It's a better way of learning and keeping the peace at the same time.  :)

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Re: Brexit Encore
« Reply #1139 on: September 11, 2019, 12:32:07 pm »

Just when I thought we were in for a few weeks of quiet on Brexit, this:

Brexit: Scottish judges rule Parliament suspension is unlawful
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