The world is laughing.

[Rob C]

Irrelevant argument. How is that different from previous elections or from other democracies? In all those cases, the percentage of those voting is usually way smaller than the percentage of eligible voters.

It was not an argument: it was a prelude for the rest of the post. One part without the other makes no argument - just a partial comment. It related directly to the part of the post remarking on the style that the man has: vulgar, not diplomatic and generally disgraceful. However, if that's how anyone wishes to see their country represented, then hey ho. Did the USA's Republican tribe expect a fibbing, fact-bending hooligan to represent it? Actually, by the mental gymnastics displayed here by some of his faithful, maybe they long ago gave up expecting even a veneer of class or dignity in public life.

Which isn't to suggest the alternative candidates offered anything much more edifying. On either side.

:-)

[Farmer]

Irrelevant argument. How is that different from previous elections or from other democracies? In all those cases, the percentage of those voting is usually way smaller than the percentage of eligible voters.

Other democracies?

The lowest voter turnout in Australia for federal elections since 1925 is 91% and the lowest effective participation rate was over 80%.

https://www.aec.gov.au/About_AEC/research/files/voter-turnout-2016.pdf

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Phil, the last thing I expected from you was fake news.

[Alan Klein]

Phil, the last thing I expected from you was fake news.



Screen Shot 2018-07-26 at 3.18.32 PM.png (41.34 kB, 705x162 - viewed 4 times.)

"Stop twisting my arm.   I know I got to vote.  But I can't vote for that egotist Trump or Crooked Hillary.  Take me off to jail."

[Alan Goldhammer]

"Stop twisting my arm.   I know I got to vote.  But I can't vote for that egotist Trump or Crooked Hillary.  Take me off to jail."

You always have the option of voting for a variety of third party candidates (remember Ralph Nader had over 97K votes in Florida; had he not been on the ballot, we would have not had Bush 2 as President) as well as writing in a candidate.  You can even vote for yourself if you think you would do a better job.

[Alan Klein]

You always have the option of voting for a variety of third party candidates (remember Ralph Nader had over 97K votes in Florida; had he not been on the ballot, we would have not had Bush 2 as President) as well as writing in a candidate.  You can even vote for yourself if you think you would do a better job.

Well, if I could get you to vote for me, I'd have two votes. 

[Farmer]

Phil, the last thing I expected from you was fake news.

How is that fake?  It's showing that if you make voting compulsory you get better turnout, better participation, and low informal voting.  You said low turn out and "minority majorities" were the way it is - I'm showing it doesn't have to be, and I'm providing real evidence instead of just rhetoric and party-line nonsense.

The fine for not voting isn't high, but it's the concept.  We also offer sausage-sizzles on polling day, and that must have a significantly positive impact!

[D Fuller]

Well the choice was Trump or looking and listening to that fat a$$ shreiking and cackling witch for four maybe eight years.

That is the most misogynistic sentance I've ever read in these pages.

[Alan Klein]

That is the most misogynistic sentance I've ever read in these pages.

I thought I was just being insulting.  But you're right that I shouldn't have posted it and had already apologized in an earlier post.  I'm sorry you missed it. 

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

That is the most misogynistic sentance I've ever read in these pages.

Facts can be misogynistic?

[Farmer]

Facts can be misogynistic?

Try to answer this one for yourself.  You can do it if you put in a little effort.

[Jeremy Roussak]

Facts can be misogynistic?

That's not appropriate either, Slobodan.

Jeremy

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

That's not appropriate either, Slobodan.

Jeremy

Sorry, Jeremy, I disagree. Describing a presidential candidate as “shrieking,” for instance, has nothing to do with misogyny. There was once a male presidential candidate, Howard Dean, whose shrieking cost him a nomination.

In Hillary’s case, all those clearly exaggerated attempts to look jovial, common, humorous, “just like us,” ended up just adding to the impression of her most people already had as insincere, and detached, to say the least. And once again, that has nothing to do with misogyny. Another male presidential candidate tried the same, with the same opposite effect [Al Gore, with the (in)famous 15 minute on-stage French kiss of his wife].

[Alan Klein]

I'm staying out of this one.

[Jeremy Roussak]

Sorry, Jeremy, I disagree. Describing a presidential candidate as “shrieking,” for instance, has nothing to do with misogyny. There was once a male presidential candidate, Howard Dean, whose shrieking cost him a nomination.

In Hillary’s case, all those clearly exaggerated attempts to look jovial, common, humorous, “just like us,” ended up just adding to the impression of her most people already had as insincere, and detached, to say the least. And once again, that has nothing to do with misogyny. Another male presidential candidate tried the same, with the same opposite effect [Al Gore, with the (in)famous 15 minute on-stage French kiss of his wife].

There was rather more to Alan's offensive comment than just that one adjective; and you apparently endorsed all of it.

Jeremy

[Alan Klein]

Slobodan:  Please stop defending me.  I appreciate it but it's OK.  I don't consider what I said misogyny.  I love women.  But my words were insulting and I apologized and have moved on.  Thanks again.

[digitaldog]

Sorry, Jeremy, I disagree. Describing a presidential candidate as “shrieking,” for instance, has nothing to do with misogyny. There was once a male presidential candidate, Howard Dean, whose shrieking cost him a nomination.

Just imagine at the time what would have happened if he was caught on tape, admitting to grabbing (assaulting) women's genitals!
The current misogynist president of the US did of course.

[digitaldog]

I love women. 

We've heard that line before:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/03/08/21-times-donald-trump-has-assured-us-he-respects-women/?utm_term=.1e5d36b94be8


At an Oct. 9, 2016, debate after the "Access Hollywood" video was released: "I have great respect for women. Nobody has more respect for women than I do. I've said things that, frankly, you hear these things I said. And I was embarrassed by it. But I have tremendous respect for women. And women have respect for me."

What he says and what he does differ.... Don't follow in his examples. 

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

There was rather more to Alan's offensive comment than just that one adjective; and you apparently endorsed all of it.

I did.

And do not see a problem with Alan's comments. Here is why:

We have several currently running threads, and many more in the past, in which the current President is exposed to all kinds of insults, from comments on the size of his hands and manhood,  to reposting the severing of his (fake) head. All kinds of epithets freely fly around: idiot, mentally unfit, fascist, etc. As a supporter of free speech, I have no problem with that either.

But, hey, mention something relatively mild and mostly factual about a female presidential candidate, and all hell breaks lose: pc warriors start intervening in a righteous rage, using the usual weapons of mass distraction: misogyny, racism, blah, blah, blah. And I do have a problem with that.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Slobodan:  Please stop defending me.  I appreciate it but it's OK.  I don't consider what I said misogyny.  I love women.  But my words were insulting and I apologized and have moved on.  Thanks again.

I am not necessarily defending you personally, but free speech. Also commenting against the double standard, as I explained in my post above.

Would anyone else here that insults the President on a daily basis be so gentlemanly as well and apologize?