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« Reply #140 on: July 24, 2018, 10:47:56 am »

I think that comment is offensive to dyslexics. There is a difference between trouble with letters and being a horrible liar.
He didn't lie when he made his campaign promises unlike most politicians who do different things after they're elected because it's politically expedient. 

Take moving our embassy to Jerusalem.  He said he would do it in the campaign.  Then when he said he would actually do it as president, everyone including most of the people in his own party told him not to do it.  It would create more problems,  blah blah blah.  Well, he did it anyway.  There's been no baleful results.  But the point is, whether you agree with the policy or not, he stuck to his word.  That's refreshing in a politician. 


I think he's made up his mind that he will do stuff that he wanted to do before becoming president to help America .  Damn impeachment, screw re-election, the heck with a republican controlled congress, the hell with the media, or whatever.  I guess it's because he has a job other than being politician that he can be free to do what he wants. I'm not saying he won't compromise or complain or make deals.  It's just that he follows his own compass most of the time.  I like that.

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« Reply #141 on: July 24, 2018, 12:51:26 pm »

He didn't lie when he made his campaign promises unlike most politicians who do different things after they're elected because it's politically expedient. 

Take moving our embassy to Jerusalem.  He said he would do it in the campaign.  Then when he said he would actually do it as president, everyone including most of the people in his own party told him not to do it.  It would create more problems,  blah blah blah.  Well, he did it anyway.  There's been no baleful results.  But the point is, whether you agree with the policy or not, he stuck to his word.  That's refreshing in a politician. 


I think he's made up his mind that he will do stuff that he wanted to do before becoming president to help America .  Damn impeachment, screw re-election, the heck with a republican controlled congress, the hell with the media, or whatever.  I guess it's because he has a job other than being politician that he can be free to do what he wants. I'm not saying he won't compromise or complain or make deals.  It's just that he follows his own compass most of the time.  I like that.


Following your own compass is great when you are alone in your boat.

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« Reply #142 on: July 24, 2018, 01:45:07 pm »

My wife shops at the local Lord & Taylor a lot and when she was in last week she was told that the store is no longer carrying Ivanka branded clothes.  That is the only data point I have and it's not fake news as my wife always tells the truth.
I doesn't seem to matter anymore, Alan - Ivanka Trump is closing down her fashion company.  That's what CNN just broadcast.  Maybe some won't believe and rate this as fake news?
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« Reply #143 on: July 24, 2018, 02:20:04 pm »

I doesn't seem to matter anymore, Alan - Ivanka Trump is closing down her fashion company.  That's what CNN just broadcast.  Maybe some won't believe and rate this as fake news?
She will more than make it up from the publicity created by Trump becoming president.

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« Reply #144 on: July 24, 2018, 02:59:42 pm »

She will more than make it up from the publicity created by Trump becoming president.
Maybe according to the old aphorism, "...she can turn sows' ears into purses......"
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« Reply #145 on: July 24, 2018, 03:06:41 pm »

I doesn't seem to matter anymore, Alan - Ivanka Trump is closing down her fashion company.  That's what CNN just broadcast.  Maybe some won't believe and rate this as fake news?
A direct quote from Ms. Trump, "After 17 months in Washington, I do not know when or if I will ever return to the business, but I do know that my focus for the foreseeable future will be the work I am doing here in Washington, so making this decision now is the only fair outcome for my team and partners.”

I hope this is not fake news since it comes from a press release but I'm more interested to know what exactly she is working on here in Washington.  It's not readily apparent.
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« Reply #146 on: July 24, 2018, 03:14:14 pm »

A better question, Alan, is: what difference could it possibly make?
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« Reply #147 on: July 24, 2018, 04:42:44 pm »

I'm more interested to know what exactly she is working on here in Washington.  It's not readily apparent.

She has reportedly been spending quite a bit of time lobbying congressional representatives of both parties to enact a federal family leave law.  The United States is one of the few major industrial countries that doesn't subsidize time off from work for new parents or for parents to care for sick children.  If I recall correctly, even some Democrats gave her credit for persuading the Senate to hold a public hearing on the issue earlier this month.

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« Reply #148 on: July 24, 2018, 05:27:25 pm »


Following your own compass is great when you are alone in your boat.
Rob, 60 million people voted for him and support his policies.  He's not alone. 

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« Reply #149 on: July 24, 2018, 05:33:16 pm »

Rob, 60 million people voted for him and support his policies.  He's not alone.

I know it's not Trump's fault but 60 million out of about 330,000 million is not a lot, even if you remove all the underage folks who can't vote yet. But it seems as if nothing much can be done about this.
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« Reply #150 on: July 24, 2018, 05:37:40 pm »

My wife shops at the local Lord & Taylor a lot and when she was in last week she was told that the store is no longer carrying Ivanka branded clothes.  That is the only data point I have and it's not fake news as my wife always tells the truth.
Just coincidentally, I was in the mall today to buy some shirts for myself and stopped in at Lord and Taylor.  After I bought a shirt, I went over to the ladies department.  I asked the saleswomen if she had Ivanka dresses.  After giving me a weird look, she pointed over to to a section and told me that all Ivanka's stuff was over there.  I thank her and added sheepishly that I wanted to buy something for my wife.   :-[


So I moseyed over to the Ivanka clothes and jewelry section and there it was.


Then I looked at the label to see where it was made.


Then I notice a piece of paper sticking out of the shirt pocket.  I pulled it out, unfolded it, and it said Vote for Trump.  My Daddy needs your vote.  MAGA.
What a daughter!  :)

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« Reply #151 on: July 24, 2018, 06:05:35 pm »

I know it's not Trump's fault but 60 million out of about 330,000 million is not a lot, even if you remove all the underage folks who can't vote yet. But it seems as if nothing much can be done about this.
Well, a lot of Americans are shooting at each other.  They're busy. 

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« Reply #152 on: July 24, 2018, 06:11:46 pm »

Just coincidentally, I was in the mall today to buy some shirts for myself and stopped in at Lord and Taylor.  After I bought a shirt, I went over to the ladies department.  I asked the saleswomen if she had Ivanka dresses.  After giving me a weird look, she pointed over to to a section and told me that all Ivanka's stuff was over there.  I thank her and added sheepishly that I wanted to buy something for my wife.   :-[


So I moseyed over to the Ivanka clothes and jewelry section and there it was.


Then I looked at the label to see where it was made.

Must be a regional issue but I guess the rack will soon be history if they ever sell the remainders.  Yes, all of her line is made in China AFAIK.  I wonder if her company had an ethical compliance code.  I've been a VF shareholder (Lee and Wrangler jeans, North Face, Timberland, and a host of other brands) and they have a good set of compliance principles.
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« Reply #153 on: July 25, 2018, 01:28:19 am »

He didn't lie when he made his campaign promises

That's a bit rich, even for the most determined troll. Maybe tone down your stories - they work better if they're just vaguely plausible.
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« Reply #154 on: July 25, 2018, 05:14:55 am »

Rob, 60 million people voted for him and support his policies.  He's not alone.


Except that's a small percentage of the population, but even so, did that small percentage have any idea that they would be ruled by a guy who runs "diplomacy" via Tweet, says one thing and contradicts or apologises for it the very next moment, and ignores what many of his own team seem to think is sane?

Of course, that only matters if the voter is sane. From the outside, it seems that is as unlikely a scenario as it is back in my own land.

Kinda reminds me of the current UK political lot, where they are both in meltdown, have no ¡dea what to do next, promise to deliver everything without having the power to deliver anything but disaster through inertia.

Labour is currently enjoying internecine destruction about whether or not it loves Jews. On another front it wants to limit immigration to satisfy the threatened lower earners (if they are threatened, or just imagine it because those damned foreigners visibly do the  jobs the Brit thinks less rewarding than the unemployment gig) yet at the same time, knows that that's the number it has to increase in order not only to attract the critical mass of voters it traditionally draws from the lower ranks, but also has to give the impression that it is the party of the open, welcoming arms, something easy to be when you pay for it from the pockets of the higher earners (you dig the circle of interests?) or simply increase your nation's international debt.

Conservatives don't know if they live in the 1800s, if they can just send a gunboat somewhere or if they have to belong to a power greater than their own to ensure national (as in British) survival. Scotland, the while, sings popular songs, mourns burned out old art school buildings that are better flattened and rebuilt to suit today, and sharpens its claymores... The Irish? Who can tell - who ever could? The Welsh? Who dat?

In short, Trumpo could well be the poster boy of many western societies.

Ye gods! How did it come to pass?

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« Reply #155 on: July 25, 2018, 08:31:01 am »

Ye gods! How did it come to pass?

Don't despair, a lot of it isn't real. For example, the US seems to be in a tizzy about immigration for which many reasons are given, loss of jobs to Americans being one. Except the US economy has been humming along with healthy monthly job creation numbers for 8 consecutive years now (pointedly, 6 of those years before Trump was elected). California farm owners are facing a labour shortage and some are considering moving to other countries, including Mexico. Mexican immigration has been decreasing for the last few years because of improved conditions back home. Of course, the country needs to find ways to deal with illegal immigration, no question, but are the current urgent headlines real or just propaganda designed to distract?

In many places, including these pages, we're subjected to "libertarian" (not sure what other word to use) views about free markets and standing on your own two feet, but I haven't heard much criticism of Trump $12B subsidy to US farmers to offset the tariffs that he instituted for unclear reasons. And keep in mind that the "family farm" with Billy, Lizzie and the white picket fence disappeared years ago, those subsidies will go to large agricultural corporations.

The US has over 700 military bases in 120+ countries, is economically dominant, yet to some (on these pages and elsewhere) the US is under siege from the EU, Canada, or whoever. Not only is this not plausible, it's borderline irrational.

Have you noticed that whatever Trump does, or says he's going to do, or says he's going to do then promptly forgets about, no matter how self-contradictory, there is always some excuse for why what he says or does is the correct thing to do. It's religion more than anything else, isn't it? Most public discussion occurs at the level of the neighbourhood bar talk, after 6 beers.


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« Reply #156 on: July 25, 2018, 09:35:27 am »

Well the choice was Trump or looking and listening to that fat a$$ shreiking and cackling witch for four maybe eight years.   

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« Reply #157 on: July 25, 2018, 09:53:08 am »

Well the choice was Trump or looking and listening to that fat a$$ shreiking and cackling witch for four maybe eight years.

I think you’re sort of kidding, but far too many people cast their votes on this exact basis.
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« Reply #158 on: July 25, 2018, 10:24:30 am »

I think you’re sort of kidding, but far too many people cast their votes on this exact basis.
No I'm not kidding.  Americans had a choice.  I wasn't going to vote for the corrupt Clintons.  My choice in the Republican nomination side was not for Trump but for Bush for his experience and demeanor and name, or Rubio for his youth and ability to debate well, or Kasich for his down-to-earth common sense, or Cruz for his conservativeness but there was an icky factor with him, Christie for his toughness similar to Trumps.  I couldn't listen to Trump, still can't. 

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« Reply #159 on: July 25, 2018, 10:35:20 am »

No I'm not kidding.  Americans had a choice.  I wasn't going to vote for the corrupt Clintons.  My choice in the Republican nomination side was not for Trump but for Bush for his experience and demeanor and name, or Rubio for his youth and ability to debate well, or Kasich for his down-to-earth common sense, or Cruz for his conservativeness but there was an icky factor with him, Christie for his toughness similar to Trumps.  I couldn't listen to Trump, still can't.

Are you saying you don't like Trump? You have previously gave the impression you were a big fan of him.
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