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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in ... late September 2018
« Reply #780 on: August 27, 2018, 09:38:29 pm »

An interesting article from Thom about the marketing failures at Nikon in relation with the Z launch:

http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/reader-questions-about-the.html

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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in ... late September 2018
« Reply #781 on: August 27, 2018, 09:40:51 pm »

An another one about the Z lenses:

http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/the-z-lenses.html

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Re: Nikon’s new mirrorless system, coming in ... late September 2018
« Reply #782 on: August 28, 2018, 12:53:35 am »

So far, I haven't heard of Canon going in the direction of a high-resolution body - the rumors I've seen are more in the Z6/A7III range - a fast body with good resolution, but not a resolution monster.

While Sony has the advantage of the most extensive line of native lenses (not counting Fuji, who uses a different sensor size, but the excellent lenses are designed for the sensor size), Nikon has a first-party adapter that supports a very wide range of lenses. The previous poster who said 6mm to 800mm actually understated the point. I don't know of anything wider than 6mm with a 220 degree field of view, but 800mm is just getting started :)

How about this?
https://www.popphoto.com/gear/2012/07/insane-zoom-nikkor-1200-1700mm
About the longest non-mirror telephoto ever made for photography...

If a mirror lens is acceptable, how's this F-mount option (basically an 8" astronomical telescope with a built-in F-mount)
https://www.thephoblographer.com/2018/01/03/rare-reflex-nikkor-2000mm-f-11-largest-nikon-lens-ever-made/

This isn't first party, and is probably cheating because the F-mount is buried inside one of the spectrographs, which may not still be in use, but this technically has an F-mount on it (and would be hard to beat).  The primary camera never had a standard lens mount and went from large-format glass plate to large-format film to custom CCD... No word on how that F-mount in the spectrograph would work with a Z-mount adapter...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hale_Telescope.   :) :) :) :)

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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in ... late September 2018
« Reply #783 on: August 28, 2018, 05:30:19 am »


I personnally think that the Z mount is as big a thing in photographic gear as can be. And the only remaining event of similar impact will indeed be Canonís mirrorless FF intro. Now, it is totally fine to not care about camera equipment but then why bother commenting here?

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I think so too, the new Nikon mount is indeed big news. I am actually surprised that Lula has no coverage in the front page, must be the only photo-related site not talking about it?

Anyway, the new Z system is big news, but all summed up, IMO the Z6 and Z7 are almost copy cats of Sony's Alpha 7/9 system; why try to change a winning formula?

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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in ... late September 2018
« Reply #785 on: August 28, 2018, 05:44:55 am »

I think so too, the new Nikon mount is indeed big news. I am actually surprised that Lula has no coverage in the front page, must be the only photo-related site not talking about it?

Anyway, the new Z system is big news, but all summed up, IMO the Z6 and Z7 are almost copy cats of Sony's Alpha 7/9 system; why try to change a winning formula?

Yes, there are positioned very close featurewise indeed. Actual usage may reveal quite different experiences though.

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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in ... late September 2018
« Reply #787 on: August 28, 2018, 06:14:46 am »

So far, I haven't heard of Canon going in the direction of a high-resolution body - the rumors I've seen are more in the Z6/A7III range - a fast body with good resolution, but not a resolution monster.

While Sony has the advantage of the most extensive line of native lenses (not counting Fuji, who uses a different sensor size, but the excellent lenses are designed for the sensor size), Nikon has a first-party adapter that supports a very wide range of lenses. The previous poster who said 6mm to 800mm actually understated the point. I don't know of anything wider than 6mm with a 220 degree field of view, but 800mm is just getting started :)

How about this?
https://www.popphoto.com/gear/2012/07/insane-zoom-nikkor-1200-1700mm
About the longest non-mirror telephoto ever made for photography...

If a mirror lens is acceptable, how's this F-mount option (basically an 8" astronomical telescope with a built-in F-mount)
https://www.thephoblographer.com/2018/01/03/rare-reflex-nikkor-2000mm-f-11-largest-nikon-lens-ever-made/

This isn't first party, and is probably cheating because the F-mount is buried inside one of the spectrographs, which may not still be in use, but this technically has an F-mount on it (and would be hard to beat).  The primary camera never had a standard lens mount and went from large-format glass plate to large-format film to custom CCD... No word on how that F-mount in the spectrograph would work with a Z-mount adapter...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hale_Telescope.   :) :) :) :)


Not ony acceptable, but if you put focus intentionally in the "wrong" place, you have yet another tool with which to get into fantasy.

http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/3061173_orig.jpg

Reading all these comments makes it appear as if nobody is interested in anything except razor blades.

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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in ... late September 2018
« Reply #788 on: August 28, 2018, 07:31:52 am »

I am actually surprised that Lula has no coverage in the front page,

Are you? Really?
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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in ... late September 2018
« Reply #789 on: August 28, 2018, 08:12:09 am »

Thom on conspiracy theories:

http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/conspiracy-theories-and-the.html

Liked the one about sub-standard senors.

Also nice commentary on the one slot issue:

http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/the-card-failure-issue.html
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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in ... late September 2018
« Reply #790 on: August 28, 2018, 11:14:34 am »

I am actually surprised that Lula has no coverage in the front page,

Are you? Really?

Yes I am. Nikon are a reputable and respectable camera company, and are introducing a new mount (I don't count the failed CX one) after sticking with 60-odd years with the old one.

They seem to be readying themselves for the future in imaging.

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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in ... late September 2018
« Reply #791 on: August 28, 2018, 12:10:10 pm »

Yes I am. Nikon are a reputable and respectable camera company, and are introducing a new mount (I don't count the failed CX one) after sticking with 60-odd years with the old one.

They seem to be readying themselves for the future in imaging.

All true but Lula is quite Sony-centric so ignoring a major innovation from Nikon does not surprise me.
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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in ... late September 2018
« Reply #792 on: August 28, 2018, 12:48:40 pm »

I know many are excited to have a Nikon Mirrorless that they can use their old glass with.  I'm curious what old glass would you want to use on your new Nikon mirrorless?  I also have a bunch of old lenses including the 35mm f2, 85 1.8 AF, 50mm 1.8 AFD, 200mm micro 2.8 AI.  I don't really see using any of these lenses except maybe the 85 1.8 that focuses quite slowly.  Then again having a Nikon mirrorless with the 24-70 f4 zoom would be the perfect landscape backpacking setup. 
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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in ... late September 2018
« Reply #793 on: August 28, 2018, 01:13:04 pm »

... a major innovation from Nikon...

Innovation!? It is a lens mount, for god's sake. Had they made it square, however... ;)

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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in ... late September 2018
« Reply #794 on: August 28, 2018, 01:18:49 pm »

Then again having a Nikon mirrorless with the 24-70 f4 zoom would be the perfect landscape backpacking setup.

Yes, it could be, and for travel/street photography as well. That new Nikon zoom may be an exceptional lens. We will see. We do know that Sony's  24-70mm f/4 zoom is very mediocre. Sony headed off and invested its R&D in producing a top quality but big, heavy f/2.8 24-70 Grand Master Flash lens. Same story with the 70-200 zooms.

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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in ... late September 2018
« Reply #795 on: August 28, 2018, 02:48:07 pm »

I'm excited about it precisely because it is a potentially perfect landscape backpacking setup. I've been using Fuji for years, happily, but nearly double the pixel count plus ISO 64 plus an extra stop or more of DR is tempting... The Nikon will probably achieve its peak DR at a lower ISO - the newest XTrans stay right with the D850 at ISO 200 (base on the Fuji), but you get a full extra stop by taking the D850 to ISO 100, and even more by going to ISO 64.

 It also has a bigger battery, which is nice for two reasons. Charging individual batteries in the field is a pain - you not only need enough energy (from a battery pack,a solar panel or a wall outlet on a trip to town) to charge the battery, you need to hook up each battery, and that is a pain when you might have seven of them for a weeklong section. The only Fuji USB chargers I've ever found are one battery at a time or too big to backpack with (Nitecore has just released a small, lightweight dual charger for the Fuji batteries, but I haven't seen it for sale). There IS a dual-slot Nikon EN-EL15 charger (weighs 2.5 ozs) available from Nitecore, which is the equivalent of a 4-slot Fuji charger. Easy enough to charge a week's worth in a night in town... Come into town, get two charging, get dinner, change the batteries and go to bed - four charged by morning! The second advantage of the bigger battery is that the power to weight ratio is better - you get more battery per gram of case, circuit board and other things that don't power the camera.

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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in ... late September 2018
« Reply #796 on: August 28, 2018, 03:23:37 pm »

Not it's primary purpose, I expect, but the one with the greater pixel count might make a wonderful copy camera.

I scanned most of the 135 format trannies that I had interest in, but my few 6x6 and 6x7 survivors were copied on my D700 using the 105mm micro-Nikkor, and it worked very well. But, using only the middle number of pixels of a 12mp camera is no ideal route...

A photographer having a relatively large stock of such larger originals could find a convenient tool in that new camera.

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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in ... late September 2018
« Reply #797 on: August 28, 2018, 05:33:19 pm »

Not it's primary purpose, I expect, but the one with the greater pixel count might make a wonderful copy camera.

I scanned most of the 135 format trannies that I had interest in, but my few 6x6 and 6x7 survivors were copied on my D700 using the 105mm micro-Nikkor, and it worked very well. But, using only the middle number of pixels of a 12mp camera is no ideal route...

A photographer having a relatively large stock of such larger originals could find a convenient tool in that new camera.

Rob

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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in ... late September 2018
« Reply #798 on: August 28, 2018, 07:05:00 pm »

Innovation!? It is a lens mount, for god's sake. Had they made it square, however... ;)

Innovation is the new word companies use to reassure customers that they have only applied a coat of paint.

In this case a red stripe on an A7.

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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in ... late September 2018
« Reply #799 on: August 28, 2018, 07:20:59 pm »

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The only Fuji USB chargers I've ever found are one battery at a time or too big to backpack with (Nitecore has just released a small, lightweight dual charger for the Fuji batteries, but I haven't seen it for sale).

I've had this for a while: https://www.amazon.com/Wasabi-Power-Battery-Charger-Fujifilm/dp/B06VVGY5KW/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1535497213&sr=8-5&keywords=fuji+battery&dpID=51uiBXnwkFL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
It's quite light, I wanted to weigh it but I can't find it anywhere in the house right now, I'm sure it's going to resurface once I buy it again.
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