Started by BJL, April 30, 2018, 02:45:44 pm
Quote from: BernardLanguillier on August 25, 2018, 10:06:05 amAt the end it is extremely simple, the key question is whether the ability (or not) of the Z7/Z6 to help create better images overweights its disadvantages, the only obvious one to me as of now is the lack of double memory slots.The answer will differ for each of us.The more I read about the camera, the more I feel that it might for me, but that's just my context.Cheers,Bernard
Quote from: sbay on August 25, 2018, 11:54:27 amDid Nikon say anything about aps-c mirrorless? Either bodies or lenses?
Quote from: opgr on August 25, 2018, 09:56:52 amAll of the arguments against these offerings are based on the presumption (as stated) that the consumer makes an entirely logic decision void of emotion with complete information about past, present, and future, and we all know they never, ever do.
Quote from: davidgp on August 25, 2018, 11:51:57 amI will be quite surprised if after a year Nikon releases another set of cameras. If I was a Z user I will prefer them to concentrate in that aggressive lens roadmap...
Quote from: shadowblade on August 24, 2018, 09:40:24 pmFrom people who have actually used and tested itZ7 only manages 9fps with a battery grip. Without the grip, it slows to 5.5fps. The Z6 is slowed by a similar amount.Z7 only has a 2.5 second buffer when shooting 12-bit compressed RAW (obviously less when shooting 14 bit, and more when shooting JPEG). No mention as to whether this is when shooting with or without a grip.Slow buffer clearance - compared with the original-series A7/A7r (not that the A7r3/A9 are particularly fast either, unless you're using a single UHS-II card - Sony needs to fix this in the next generation and use UHS-II for both slots)Half the rated battery life compared with the A7r3. But we knew this one already.No exposure compensation dial. Far less needed on mirrorless, since you have a real-time through-the-lens exposure simulation, but it might take some getting used to. Certainly, I've never touched the dial on the Sony, but I never use Tv or Av modes either - mirrorless makes manual exposure very easy.If true, some of these are huge deal-breakers. 9fps is fine for action. 5.5fps puts in a completely different, slower class. The small buffer and slow clearance would also make it largely a non-action camera.
Quote from: davidgp on August 25, 2018, 11:55:41 amI don't see that big difference between Sony and Nikon offerings... each one has their strong and weak points vs the other... and if I was you Bernad, I would go for the Z system... after all, you must have a good collection of F lenses.
Quote from: BernardLanguillier on August 25, 2018, 08:21:14 amI don't when they will be released, but I think we will get:- z8 which is a a9mk II competitor high speed camera- z9 which is a a9r competitor with 60+ megapixel
Quote from: Dan Wells on August 25, 2018, 07:33:40 pm...4.) What's up with that battery life? I'm inclined to think it's a testing quirk or a flaw with the pre-production models. The few people who've played with one suggest it's a testing quirk - they're seeing much better life. If it's not, the camera is about twice as power hungry as it's competitors - Fujis get about 300-350 shots out of the little NP-W126 batteries (with about half the power of an EN-EL15), and Sonys get in the high 200s from their little battery (like the Fuji one), and I've heard close to 600 from the EN-EL15 size battery. ...Dan
Quote from: Martin Kristiansen on August 25, 2018, 07:02:54 amShadow do you have any evidence that the amateur landscape shooters are where Sony took market share from Canon or that they took market share from canon at all? Do you really think that with IBiS and great high ISO performance and with increasingly good AF and such things as eye focus that Sony set out to and accomplished the task of taking market share from canon in the landscape segment? Also where does your theory of needing fast glass fit in with landscape photography?
QuoteAnyway this is about Nikon. I have no idea what their plan is and nor do you. I think but dont know that they are planning a migration path for existing Nikon users. This offering does that imho. Sony needed to break into the market. Nikon need to retain existing Nikon clients. That is working I believe and my evidence for that is Bernard and several friends with Nikon's who are keen to give mirrorless a try. Two of them have 850s and the mirrorless gives them a more compact option that can be used with existing lenses should they wish to do so.
Quote from: Alan Goldhammer on August 25, 2018, 08:46:47 amI think the dual card issue is really not all that important. As was noted if a card is bad, it is 99% of the time DOA and doesn't fail while shooting. Event photographers got along just fine with single card DSLRs since the cameras were invented (I'm unsure at what point dual card cameras came on the market; maybe the last five years??). Event photographers also don't need lots of megapixels as most of the output will not be printed but kept in digital form. Two women who used to work for me in the pharma industry are now highly respected event photographers and they have told me there is seldom any request for more than a couple of images being printed.
QuoteIMO, the big advantage of mirrorless is in size and weight assuming image quality is not compromised by camera/lens design. For those of us who are getting up in age and enjoy international travel this advance is great. I upgraded to a D810 just as the model was nearing the end of the cycle as there was a great discount from B&H. Because of the investment in Nikon lenses over the years, it was difficult to rationalize switching to a non-Nikon mirrorless system (some of the older Nikon lenses purchased in the 1970-1980 time period continue work well on DSLR bodies once the tab is shaved off and one gets use to manual focusing which for landscape photography is just fine). Were the Z cameras available a couple of years ago I would have purchased one but now it is a more difficult choice (it would be different if photography was a business and I could amortize it on my tax filing).
Quote from: BernardLanguillier on August 25, 2018, 08:21:14 amI don't when they will be released, but I think we will get:- z8 which is a a9mk II competitor high speed camera- z9 which is a a9r competitor with 60+ megapixelI would bet summer 2019 announcement.Cheers,Bernard
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