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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in early 2019
« Reply #240 on: July 31, 2018, 12:28:07 am »

A monopod reduces rotations (roll and pitch) substantially.  In doing this, it may introduce translations, but that is likely a very good tradeoff, improving overall stabalization.

Yes, but it's designed to reduce low freq roll and pitch for which it is very effective. What it doesn't anticipate is a shutterbutton push that shocks the system.
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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in early 2019
« Reply #241 on: July 31, 2018, 08:34:12 pm »

If your objective is to go from a fuzzy image to a less fuzzy image
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do you have a better explanation why you do not end up with a sharp result with ibis on?

You would have had the answer to that question if you had read the information provided to you. Google translation is more than good enough:

http://www.guillermoluijk.com/article/tripodandis/index.htm

"I used an Olympus E-P5 with a Konica Hexanon lens of 135mm (270mm equivalent), placed on a lightweight traveling tripod in order to maximize the effect of any vibration. It is not about obtaining correct images but about seeing the difference in the final result according to whether the stabilizer acts or not."

The shots were done at 1/1,6s as indicated in the text to deliberately get blurred images both with IBIS ON and OFF, since that's 7-8 stops of required stabilization for 270mm eq. and no existing IBIS can compensate for that.

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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in early 2019
« Reply #242 on: August 02, 2018, 12:57:31 am »

https://nikonrumors.com/2018/08/02/new-nikon-mirrorless-mount-video-teaser.

The last camera shown before the new mirrorless is the D5.

Initial unconfirmed reports from people under NDA speak about incredible AF performance with native lenses.

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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in early 2019
« Reply #243 on: August 02, 2018, 03:09:15 am »


Initial unconfirmed reports from people under NDA speak about incredible AF performance with native lenses.

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Which makes one wonder:
Low expectations getting good results? Or high expectations getting bad results?

Because either way, please don't tell me anyone thought their current AF performance was in any way subpar...
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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in early 2019
« Reply #244 on: August 02, 2018, 03:41:13 am »

Which makes one wonder:
Low expectations getting good results? Or high expectations getting bad results?

Because either way, please don't tell me anyone thought their current AF performance was in any way subpar...

In the report that I read, it was compared to the latest Sony mirrorless. Which I think is fairly close to the D5/D850 from an AF speed standpoint.

It read like "fastest AF ever seen in a camera".

But this could be some fanboy dreaming outloud and just claiming he actually tried.

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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in early 2019
« Reply #245 on: August 02, 2018, 08:27:48 am »

In the report that I read, it was compared to the latest Sony mirrorless. Which I think is fairly close to the D5/D850 from an AF speed standpoint.

It read like "fastest AF ever seen in a camera".

But this could be some fanboy dreaming outloud and just claiming he actually tried.

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Bernard

If true that would be very good news and exactly what I am hoping for. I wonít dash out and change to Nikon, that would be economically foolish, as I am now quite invested in Sony glass, camera flash systems and all the bits and pieces that go with that.

It would mean that in two years when I upgrade my bodies that Sony would have had to have reacted to the new standard and I can expect a much improved camera.
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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in early 2019
« Reply #246 on: August 02, 2018, 09:01:40 am »

It would mean that in two years when I upgrade my bodies that Sony would have had to have reacted to the new standard and I can expect a much improved camera.

We'll see if those rumors are true or not, but I totally agree that competition is always good for us photographers.

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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in early 2019
« Reply #247 on: August 02, 2018, 10:25:48 am »

https://nikonrumors.com/2018/08/02/new-nikon-mirrorless-mount-video-teaser.
The grip looks substantial, promising for a big battery and good battery life.
This is helped by moving the lens mount (&VF) a bit to the left, dropping the legacy central location dictated by the space needs of film canisters and allowing more controls under the right hand.

If rumors are roughly right about a 49mm throat diameter, it is fairly small; maybe about the same 96mm high as the recent Sony A7 models, bit slightly wider.
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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in early 2019
« Reply #248 on: August 02, 2018, 10:32:30 am »

The grip looks substantial, promising for a big battery and good battery life.
This is helped by moving the lens mount (&VF) a bit to the left, dropping the legacy central location dictated by the space needs of film canisters and allowing more controls under the right hand.

If rumors are roughly right about a 49mm throat diameter, it is fairly small; maybe about the same 96mm high as the recent Sony A7 models, bit slightly wider.

The recent rumors about mount diameter are more focused on 62mm. A few say 54mm, a few say 73mm.

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« Reply #249 on: August 02, 2018, 10:54:56 am »

62-65mm outer diameter is what I have seen, 49mm inner ďthroatĒ diameter. Which BTW is very close to Leica L, the first mount designed explicitly for 36x24 mirrorless.

Hasselblad X is only about 61mm, and Fujifilm G is 63-65mm, so 62 would be crazy for 36x24, and 73 would be total lunacy.

Also, estimates based on strap lug size are around 51mm.
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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in early 2019
« Reply #250 on: August 02, 2018, 11:53:45 am »

62-65mm outer diameter is what I have seen, 49mm inner ďthroatĒ diameter. Which BTW is very close to Leica L, the first mount designed explicitly for 36x24 mirrorless.

Hasselblad X is only about 61mm, and Fujifilm G is 63-65mm, so 62 would be crazy for 36x24, and 73 would be total lunacy.

Also, estimates based on strap lug size are around 51mm.

What I read is 58-62mm inner diameter, but I did not check myself. I think it was computed from the size of the hotshoe.

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bcc73b17a36e1ff880279b8d01a91ddfc3573d32ef4981a93be53daf3dd1cc47.jpg

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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in early 2019
« Reply #251 on: August 02, 2018, 03:20:53 pm »

Bernard, doesnít it strike you as strange that the new Nikon mount would have an excess of throat diameter over sensor diagonal, and incoming outer ray angle for light comes, so much more than any of the three recently designed high-end mirrorless mounts
Leica L: +5.5mm, 15į
Hasselblad X: +6mm, 18į
Fujifilm G: +8-10mm, 17-21.5į
At the rumored 16mm deep, ďZ-mountĒ would match the biggest of those angles at 49.3mm. A few mm more might help to accomodate the thickness of the mount and such, but it seems to me that going much wider would just pointlessly fatten both bodies and also many lenses.

Or are Leica, Hasselblad, Fujifilm (and Sony with its 36x34 models) all making incompetent or very unambitious design choices?
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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in early 2019
« Reply #252 on: August 02, 2018, 03:29:35 pm »

Bernard, doesnít it strike you as strange that the new Nikon mount would have an excess of throat diameter over sensor diagonal, and incoming outer ray angle for light comes, so much more than any of the three recently designed high-end mirrorless mounts
Leica L: +5.5mm, 15į
Hasselblad X: +6mm, 18į
Fujifilm G: +8-10mm, 17-21.5į
At the rumored 16mm deep, ďZ-mountĒ would match the biggest of those angles at 49.3mm. A few mm more might help to accomodate the thickness of the mount and such, but it seems to me that going much wider would just pointlessly fatten both bodies and also many lenses.

Or are Leica, Hasselblad, Fujifilm (and Sony with its 36x34 models) all making incompetent or very unambitious design choices?

I understand your point, we'll know soon enough.

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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in early 2019
« Reply #253 on: August 02, 2018, 03:59:04 pm »

Bernard: indeed we will, but we need a game to pass the time waiting.

Couldnít Nikon patent it and let us know that way?! Though it seems that a patent can obfuscate some details: Sony has a patent filed in 2015 for 36x24mm E-mount which only says the opening diameter is ďsmaller than about 48mmĒ:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/9392150.html
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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in early 2019
« Reply #254 on: August 02, 2018, 04:28:18 pm »

Bernard: indeed we will, but we need a game to pass the time waiting.

 ;D

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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in early 2019
« Reply #255 on: August 02, 2018, 06:15:47 pm »

The last title in the video says. "Gateway to a New Dimension".

Do you think that's metaphorical? Or are they talking about something other than 24x36?
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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in early 2019
« Reply #256 on: August 02, 2018, 09:23:18 pm »

The last title in the video says. "Gateway to a New Dimension".

Do you think that's metaphorical? Or are they talking about something other than 24x36?

The new, larger, lens mount is needed for the in-body wormhole.
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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in early 2019
« Reply #257 on: August 02, 2018, 11:20:44 pm »

The last title in the video says. "Gateway to a New Dimension".

Do you think that's metaphorical? Or are they talking about something other than 24x36?

I think they are probably just talking about the size of their new mount?

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« Reply #258 on: August 03, 2018, 12:12:01 am »

I think they are probably just talking about the size of their new mount?

Cheers,
Bernard

That could be. And it doesnít make much sense for them do make something thatís not standard FF. But having made a few teaser campaigns, the words are usually chosen pretty carefully, so I wonder what it does mean.
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Re: Nikonís new mirrorless system, coming in early 2019
« Reply #259 on: August 03, 2018, 12:16:34 am »

That could be. And it doesnít make much sense for them do make something thatís not standard FF. But having made a few teaser campaigns, the words are usually chosen pretty carefully, so I wonder what it does mean.

I understand, but their own announcement mentions FF so I believe that this is pretty much a done deal.

And frankly, 33x44 isnít that much bigger.

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