Nikon’s new mirrorless system, coming in ... late September 2018

[32BT]

A monopod reduces rotations (roll and pitch) substantially.  In doing this, it may introduce translations, but that is likely a very good tradeoff, improving overall stabalization.

Yes, but it's designed to reduce low freq roll and pitch for which it is very effective. What it doesn't anticipate is a shutterbutton push that shocks the system.

[Guillermo Luijk]

If your objective is to go from a fuzzy image to a less fuzzy image
(...)
do you have a better explanation why you do not end up with a sharp result with ibis on?

You would have had the answer to that question if you had read the information provided to you. Google translation is more than good enough:

http://www.guillermoluijk.com/article/tripodandis/index.htm

"I used an Olympus E-P5 with a Konica Hexanon lens of 135mm (270mm equivalent), placed on a lightweight traveling tripod in order to maximize the effect of any vibration. It is not about obtaining correct images but about seeing the difference in the final result according to whether the stabilizer acts or not."

The shots were done at 1/1,6s as indicated in the text to deliberately get blurred images both with IBIS ON and OFF, since that's 7-8 stops of required stabilization for 270mm eq. and no existing IBIS can compensate for that.

Regards

[BernardLanguillier]

https://nikonrumors.com/2018/08/02/new-nikon-mirrorless-mount-video-teaser.

The last camera shown before the new mirrorless is the D5.

Initial unconfirmed reports from people under NDA speak about incredible AF performance with native lenses.

Cheers,
Bernard

[32BT]

Initial unconfirmed reports from people under NDA speak about incredible AF performance with native lenses.

Cheers,
Bernard

Which makes one wonder:
Low expectations getting good results? Or high expectations getting bad results?

Because either way, please don't tell me anyone thought their current AF performance was in any way subpar...

[BernardLanguillier]

Which makes one wonder:
Low expectations getting good results? Or high expectations getting bad results?

Because either way, please don't tell me anyone thought their current AF performance was in any way subpar...

In the report that I read, it was compared to the latest Sony mirrorless. Which I think is fairly close to the D5/D850 from an AF speed standpoint.

It read like "fastest AF ever seen in a camera".

But this could be some fanboy dreaming outloud and just claiming he actually tried.

Cheers,
Bernard

[Martin Kristiansen]

In the report that I read, it was compared to the latest Sony mirrorless. Which I think is fairly close to the D5/D850 from an AF speed standpoint.

It read like "fastest AF ever seen in a camera".

But this could be some fanboy dreaming outloud and just claiming he actually tried.

Cheers,
Bernard

If true that would be very good news and exactly what I am hoping for. I won’t dash out and change to Nikon, that would be economically foolish, as I am now quite invested in Sony glass, camera flash systems and all the bits and pieces that go with that.

It would mean that in two years when I upgrade my bodies that Sony would have had to have reacted to the new standard and I can expect a much improved camera.

[BernardLanguillier]

It would mean that in two years when I upgrade my bodies that Sony would have had to have reacted to the new standard and I can expect a much improved camera.

We'll see if those rumors are true or not, but I totally agree that competition is always good for us photographers.

Cheers,
Bernard

[BJL]

https://nikonrumors.com/2018/08/02/new-nikon-mirrorless-mount-video-teaser.

The grip looks substantial, promising for a big battery and good battery life.
This is helped by moving the lens mount (&VF) a bit to the left, dropping the legacy central location dictated by the space needs of film canisters and allowing more controls under the right hand.

If rumors are roughly right about a 49mm throat diameter, it is fairly small; maybe about the same 96mm high as the recent Sony A7 models, bit slightly wider.

[BernardLanguillier]

The grip looks substantial, promising for a big battery and good battery life.
This is helped by moving the lens mount (&VF) a bit to the left, dropping the legacy central location dictated by the space needs of film canisters and allowing more controls under the right hand.

If rumors are roughly right about a 49mm throat diameter, it is fairly small; maybe about the same 96mm high as the recent Sony A7 models, bit slightly wider.

The recent rumors about mount diameter are more focused on 62mm. A few say 54mm, a few say 73mm.

Cheers,
Bernard

[BJL]

62-65mm outer diameter is what I have seen, 49mm inner “throat” diameter. Which BTW is very close to Leica L, the first mount designed explicitly for 36x24 mirrorless.

Hasselblad X is only about 61mm, and Fujifilm G is 63-65mm, so 62 would be crazy for 36x24, and 73 would be total lunacy.

Also, estimates based on strap lug size are around 51mm.

[BernardLanguillier]

62-65mm outer diameter is what I have seen, 49mm inner “throat” diameter. Which BTW is very close to Leica L, the first mount designed explicitly for 36x24 mirrorless.

Hasselblad X is only about 61mm, and Fujifilm G is 63-65mm, so 62 would be crazy for 36x24, and 73 would be total lunacy.

Also, estimates based on strap lug size are around 51mm.

What I read is 58-62mm inner diameter, but I did not check myself. I think it was computed from the size of the hotshoe.

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bcc73b17a36e1ff880279b8d01a91ddfc3573d32ef4981a93be53daf3dd1cc47.jpg

Cheers,
Bernard

[BJL]

Bernard, doesn’t it strike you as strange that the new Nikon mount would have an excess of throat diameter over sensor diagonal, and incoming outer ray angle for light comes, so much more than any of the three recently designed high-end mirrorless mounts
Leica L: +5.5mm, 15°
Hasselblad X: +6mm, 18°
Fujifilm G: +8-10mm, 17-21.5°
At the rumored 16mm deep, “Z-mount” would match the biggest of those angles at 49.3mm. A few mm more might help to accomodate the thickness of the mount and such, but it seems to me that going much wider would just pointlessly fatten both bodies and also many lenses.

Or are Leica, Hasselblad, Fujifilm (and Sony with its 36x34 models) all making incompetent or very unambitious design choices?

[BernardLanguillier]

Bernard, doesn’t it strike you as strange that the new Nikon mount would have an excess of throat diameter over sensor diagonal, and incoming outer ray angle for light comes, so much more than any of the three recently designed high-end mirrorless mounts
Leica L: +5.5mm, 15°
Hasselblad X: +6mm, 18°
Fujifilm G: +8-10mm, 17-21.5°
At the rumored 16mm deep, “Z-mount” would match the biggest of those angles at 49.3mm. A few mm more might help to accomodate the thickness of the mount and such, but it seems to me that going much wider would just pointlessly fatten both bodies and also many lenses.

Or are Leica, Hasselblad, Fujifilm (and Sony with its 36x34 models) all making incompetent or very unambitious design choices?

I understand your point, we'll know soon enough.

Cheers,
Bernard

[BJL]

Bernard: indeed we will, but we need a game to pass the time waiting.

Couldn’t Nikon patent it and let us know that way?! Though it seems that a patent can obfuscate some details: Sony has a patent filed in 2015 for 36x24mm E-mount which only says the opening diameter is “smaller than about 48mm”:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/9392150.html

[BernardLanguillier]

Bernard: indeed we will, but we need a game to pass the time waiting.

 

Cheers,
Bernard

[D Fuller]

The last title in the video says. "Gateway to a New Dimension".

Do you think that's metaphorical? Or are they talking about something other than 24x36?

[gkroeger]

The last title in the video says. "Gateway to a New Dimension".

Do you think that's metaphorical? Or are they talking about something other than 24x36?

The new, larger, lens mount is needed for the in-body wormhole.

[BernardLanguillier]

The last title in the video says. "Gateway to a New Dimension".

Do you think that's metaphorical? Or are they talking about something other than 24x36?

I think they are probably just talking about the size of their new mount?

Cheers,
Bernard

[D Fuller]

I think they are probably just talking about the size of their new mount?

Cheers,
Bernard

That could be. And it doesn’t make much sense for them do make something that’s not standard FF. But having made a few teaser campaigns, the words are usually chosen pretty carefully, so I wonder what it does mean.

[BernardLanguillier]

That could be. And it doesn’t make much sense for them do make something that’s not standard FF. But having made a few teaser campaigns, the words are usually chosen pretty carefully, so I wonder what it does mean.

I understand, but their own announcement mentions FF so I believe that this is pretty much a done deal.

And frankly, 33x44 isn’t that much bigger.

Cheers,
Bernard