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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #340 on: June 22, 2016, 09:22:48 am »

Are there any details around the raw file format?

I've seen one suggestion that it is a 16bit (per color) file delivering 14 stops of DR?

same as with H5/6D-50c CMOS and these files are phenomenal...
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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #341 on: June 22, 2016, 09:23:18 am »

Who is making the lenses in Japan??
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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #342 on: June 22, 2016, 09:24:37 am »

I have seen Auto ISO function in the video...nice! is this already with the H6D ?
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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #343 on: June 22, 2016, 09:26:05 am »

Using Profoto strobes with Nikon N TTL will be really cool

what makes you think that this will work? It does not work with H5/6 system so far.
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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #344 on: June 22, 2016, 09:33:18 am »

Hi,

First reactions...

A bold step from Hasselblad that makes a lot of sense.

It has contrast detect AF. Probably works best with the new lenses. Not so fast, but accurate.

Leaf shutter, without Focal plane shutter makes it less attractive for non H- system users.

Pricing is attractive, specially if lenses are really good.

Not buying, but it looks to be a nice camera!

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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #345 on: June 22, 2016, 09:34:22 am »

No real "game changer" imho, except for Hasselblad.  Glad to see them introduce a new innovative camera with some nice features.  Nikon compatible hotshoe----that's cool.  I'm not a big fan of TTL, but I think venerable H found a way to join the Profoto B1 and B2 TTL-party.... Small form factor just made a lot of H photographers happy.  Nothing here for me, but very happy to see that medium format is far from dead.  :D

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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #346 on: June 22, 2016, 09:36:06 am »

what makes you think that this will work? It does not work with H5/6 system so far.
Why would it not.....its got the Nikon hot shoe
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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #347 on: June 22, 2016, 09:37:03 am »

Who is making the lenses in Japan??

he said -I believe- something like MITO. There is a Fujinon MITO corporation which is a full subsidiary of Fuji group, but that is Fuji. A Japanese Mito by itself in optical manufacturing industries seems not to exist...???
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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #348 on: June 22, 2016, 09:38:47 am »

Why would it not.....its got the Nikon hot shoe

wow, didn't notice that. That would be cool indeed; still having a few of these SB's...
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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #349 on: June 22, 2016, 09:40:06 am »

he said -I believe- something like MITO. There is a Fujinon MITO corporation which is a full subsidiary of Fuji group, but that is Fuji. A Japanese Mito by itself in optical manufacturing industries seems not to exist...???

http://listings.findthecompany.com/l/57490377/Mito-Techno-CoLtd-in-Kitamoto-Japan

If that's it it is a tiny company
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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #350 on: June 22, 2016, 09:40:26 am »

Nikon compatible hotshoe----that's cool.  I'm not a big fan of TTL

Nikon compatible does not mean that you have to use "TTL" - it means you have some decently wide standard (Canon might be even wider) to control remote flash/strobes remotely from camera in M mode too... plus TTL for those who want/need it
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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #351 on: June 22, 2016, 09:42:29 am »

Three thou too expensive for general adoption world-wide. DMF remains to be niche systems.
No game changer here.
Ready for the A9 announcement.
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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #352 on: June 22, 2016, 09:43:10 am »

Hi Paul,

I think its changing the game, or rather, it is a new game. Small, affordable and competent...

But, you can not set it on a technical camera and the contrast detect AF may be a bit slow.

May be, Sony will develop a new MFD sensor with full electronic shutter and on sensor phase detection?

I think the camera addresses a new group of photographers perfectly. Young photographers looking for the MFD experience and for that Hasselblad label.

Best regards, from Charleoi Airport
Erik



Good looking.

? AF What is is it. PDAF or contrast or both number of points?
On sensor stabilization?  Lenses don't show anything for VR
GPS ?
Wifi? If so what app
No moving screen ( tilt screen would have been nice )
EVF refresh rate?

I just don't get "game changer".  Obviously a well integrated system for Hasselblad shooters no focal shutter.  Just being mirrorless MF makes it a game changer?

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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #353 on: June 22, 2016, 09:43:38 am »

they are all solved long time ago, global or rolling... but rolling shutter is a "focal plane" shutter just fast and no shutter shock an no mech and global shutter inevitably will either reduce possible DR or MP or both... so that's why you do not see global shutters in consumer cameras where marketing cares about claimed DR or MP or both

So they are not solved.  As you say, they have a negative impact on dynamic range. By solved I mean: Global and negligible to zero impact on any image quality parameters.
Building machines with moving parts, as I have stated before, is a mistake from the business point of view: You need highly trained, high compromise people at the factory. Moving parts are the source of all kind of nightmares and recalls.  Robots could alleviate the manufacturing costs, but you still have to design fragile moving parts. The only moving parts that are welcome, in a modern design,6 are the ones that are high value for the costumer: like moving LCD / AMOLED displays.

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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #354 on: June 22, 2016, 09:44:05 am »

I think its changing the game, or rather, it is a new game.

the proper definition will be changing the game in a smallish sandbox
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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #355 on: June 22, 2016, 09:45:35 am »

what makes you think that this will work? It does not work with H5/6 system so far.

The info is on the hasselblad web site: http://static.hasselblad.com/2016/06/X1D-50c-Datasheet-EN.pdf
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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #356 on: June 22, 2016, 09:45:42 am »

Several reactions:
I do consider the X1D a game changer in terms of its fundamental premise: medium format image quality (and sensor) in an exceptionally small form factor.  (The Sony A7RII is 625g; the X1D is 725g.)If you don't see that as a breakthrough, then pick up a Phase XF body with an IQ350 back and three LS lenses and take a nice long hike or walk around a city for the day. Then, do the same with the new Hasselblad 30, 45 and 90mm lenses. The XF is a great camera body, but it should have been put on a diet. So, depending upon the lens quality of the new Hasseblad lenses for the X1D, it could be a fantastic landscape/travel camera.
The X1D would have been really ground breaking 2 years ago. Now, less so. The Sony A7RII is already at 42MP, and rumors are that it will go to 72 or 75MP. The siren song of pure MP is powerful. Of course, Sony is aggressively moving away from its initial appeal to me by focusing its high end lenses on big, heavy and fast. I want light and small and can accept slower.
The X1D is the camera that the Leica SL should have been. Leica completely dropped the ball, IMO.
An obvious question is why leaf shutter lenses. Was it just so that the existing HC lenses would be compatible?Of course, you won't have to worry about shutter shock.
Why did Hasselblad not use the same type of EVF that the Leica SL uses, which is supposed to be exceptional. I can't understand that omission in a $9,000 camera body.
The X1D appears to be a beautifully designed camera body. I expect it to be a very functional design rather than being crapped up by a mind numbing menu system and controls like Japanese cameras always seem to be.

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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #357 on: June 22, 2016, 09:46:49 am »

This camera is crippled by intent.
With on-chip electronic shutter just about any lens could be used.
As soon as Hassy has got the financial boost from the H6, and enough lenses for the X1D, they will announce the X1Dn which is uncrippled.

Edmund

Trouble is that with the Sony chip (40MP A7R2) when you select full electronic shutter (silent shooting) the file drops to 12 bit.  You also lose long expose NR option.  I'd expect the 50MP chip to have the same (or worse) limitations and Hasselblad may not have wanted to go there ...
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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #358 on: June 22, 2016, 09:47:12 am »

Waiting for Steve Huff or Ken Rockwells review
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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #359 on: June 22, 2016, 09:49:12 am »

Or "the game-changer of the few"?


the proper definition will be changing the game in a smallish sandbox
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