Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?

[JV]

The strategy is crystal clear. Get people to buy one of these with a couple of native lenses, release an adapter for H lenses that will make it possible to use the X body as a back up for the H one,... It's starting to make a lot of sense.

It is the same strategy as Leica with the S and the SL.

And key is indeed to position the X1D as complementary and as a back-up to the H6D, not as a replacement...

[BernardLanguillier]

It is the same strategy as Leica with the S and the SL.

And key is indeed to position the X1D as complementary and as a back-up to the H6D, not as a replacement...

Absolutely. I personally was never attracted by the SL because of the price and the fact that you get better images quality, smaller and more diverse lenses,... with an ar7II, but the Hassy X1D has no competition at this point in time.

Cheers,
Bernard

[JV]

Absolutely. I personally was never attracted by the SL because of the price and the fact that you get better images quality, smaller and more diverse lenses,... with an ar7II, but the Hassy X1D has no competition at this point in time.

Cheers,
Bernard

I bought into the Leica SL system and I don't regret it all.  The 24-90mm zoom is excellent and very well balanced on the Leica SL.

If you have some time this is a pretty interesting review from a landscape photographer's perspective:
https://vieribottazzini.com/2016/06/landscape-photographer-in-depth-leica-sl-review.html

A good read and providing an accurate opinion about the system IMO.

[eronald]

I guess we all know tomorrow for sure, but 99% sure it's the same old 50MP Sony sensor.  No way with all the issues Sony has currently could a totally new chip have been developed and shipped.  Nothing wrong with that 50MP chip, just don't feel you will be able to get a full frame chip in that body.

Paul C

As this is a mirrorless camera, we can assume they have phase-detect pixels on the sensor. At the very least this means a mod; and it also means that the 6D could/should be able to do phase-detect focus off its main sensor, now or with a sensor update. This is a game-changer for liveview photography and video on the 6D.

Edmund

[JV]

So the X1D is now priced a $8,995, the H5D-50c at $14,500 and the H6D-50c at $25,995.

Does that make sense if it is all one and the same sensor?

[BernardLanguillier]

If you have some time this is a pretty interesting review from an Italian landscape photographer:
https://vieribottazzini.com/2016/06/landscape-photographer-in-depth-leica-sl-review.html

I am sure that the SL is a nice camera, no doubt. I just don't see what it would bring me that my existing gear doesn't already do better.

I have read the article you linked to and, sorry, I am still not too convinced by the rationality of his arguments.

He clearly explains why the SL is a good landscape camera, and I can agree with that, but besides for a few hundreds of gr of weight difference that are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things when you do landscape work compared to all the other things you have to carry, he doesn't elaborate as to why the SL is a better option than the Sony/Nikon/Canon alternatives most of us have been using successfully.

But let's leave it at that here, this isn't the topic of this thread.

Cheers,
Bernard

[BernardLanguillier]

As this is a mirrorless camera, we can assume they have phase-detect pixels on the sensor. At the very least this means a mod; and it also means that the 6D could/should be able to do phase-detect focus off its main sensor, now or with a sensor update.

What if it were a manual focus camera?

Cheers,
Bernard

[siddhaarta]

What if it were a manual focus camera?

Cheers,
Bernard

The lenses look not manual at all

[BernardLanguillier]

The lenses look not manual at all

How different are they from an Otus for instance? They have a large focusing ring. Period.

I could be totally wrong, but I just don't think Hassy has the resources to develop a competitive on sensor AF system. In fact I am sure that they don't considering how long it took for much larger players to come up with something competitive.

Now it could be that Sony did it for them and that there is going to be a Sony AF camera leveraging the same sensor. This would make me a believer.

Putting it the other way around, if this camera has a good AF system IMHO we can be pretty sure that a Sony body with the same sensor isn't far off.

Cheers,
Bernard

[eronald]

So the X1D is now priced a $8,995, the H5D-50c at $14,500 and the H6D-50c at $25,995.

Does that make sense if it is all one and the same sensor?

Crop-MF sensors are reasonably priced these days, especially the Sony 50 which should by now have paid of its R&D, and won't be competitive after Photokina. The whole MF price thing has become a joke, as you point out: The H6D mirrorbox costs $17 K?

Edmund

[eronald]

How different are they from an Otus for instance? They have a large focusing ring. Period.

I could be totally wrong, but I just don't think Hassy has the resources to develop a competitive on sensor AF system. In fact I am sure that they don't considering how long it took for much larger players to come up with something competitive.

Now it could be that Sony did it for them and that there is going to be a Sony AF camera leveraging the same sensor. This would make me a believer.

Putting it the other way around, if this camera has a good AF system IMHO we can be pretty sure that a Sony body with the same sensor isn't far off.

Cheers,
Bernard

Bernard -

 Of course Sony has done it for them. That's what Sony sells these days, drop-in sensors with a complete SDK to allow anyone to put together a camera with minimal effort. If their customers cannot leverage the chips, they lose sales.

 On the other hand, this means Pentax, Phase, Fuji and anyone else can bring out a new mirrorless medium format camera with AF whenever they want.

Edmund

[siddhaarta]

How different are they from an Otus for instance? They have a large focusing ring. Period.

I could be totally wrong, but I just don't think Hassy has the resources to develop a competitive on sensor AF system. In fact I am sure that they don't considering how long it took for much larger players to come up with something competitive.

Now it could be that Sony did it for them and that there is going to be a Sony AF camera leveraging the same sensor. This would make me a believer.

Putting it the other way around, if this camera has a good AF system IMHO we can be pretty sure that a Sony body with the same sensor isn't far off.

Cheers,
Bernard

Only look at the glass diameter of the WA compared to that of the whole lens. What would they do with all this empty space?

[JV]

On the other hand, this means Pentax, Phase, Fuji and anyone else can bring out a new mirrorless medium format camera with AF whenever they want.

I would guess Fuji is pretty close as well...:
MIRRORLESS MEDIUM FORMAT :: Hasselblad will make the Start… but FUJIFILM’s Counterattack is (Almost) Ready !
http://www.fujirumors.com/fujifilm-mirrorless-medium-format-camera-coming/

[BernardLanguillier]

Of course Sony has done it for them. That's what Sony sells these days, drop-in sensors with a complete SDK to allow anyone to put together a camera with minimal effort. If their customers cannot leverage the chips, they lose sales.

On the other hand, this means Pentax, Phase, Fuji and anyone else can bring out a new mirrorless medium format camera with AF whenever they want.

You are probably right, but then it means that there is a new version of the 50mp sensor. This wouldn't be surprising since the initial one is getting a bit old by Sony standards.

No way to tell if only AF was added to the sensor or whether it was improved in others way also. It wouldn't be surprising if it had been improved in other ways also.

As far as AF goes, it would make the traditional MF SLR pretty much irrelevant since on sensor AF would be all over the frame...

Cheers,
Bernard

[eronald]

Only look at the glass diameter of the WA compared to that of the whole lens. What would they do with all this empty space?

Leaf shutter?

Edmund

[eronald]

You are probably right, but then it means that there is a new version of the 50mp sensor. This wouldn't be surprising since the initial one is getting a bit old by Sony standards.

No way to tell if only AF was added to the sensor or whether it was improved in others way also. It wouldn't be surprising if it had been improved in other ways also.

As far as AF goes, it would make the traditional MF SLR pretty much irrelevant since on sensor AF would be all over the frame...

Cheers,
Bernard

Sony always has a new version of everything but somebody remarked that focus pixels can be created just with the help of the CFA stage of processing. With modern equipment that might mean single units can be run off ...
I think the A7 series now has focus just about anywhere, no?
As does the Canon A7 and 1DxII when filming, "probably".
Canon's implementation is supposed to be exemplary, but the Sony system seems to work.

Edmund

[BernardLanguillier]

Sony always has a new version of everything but somebody remarked that focus pixels can be created just with the help of the CFA stage of processing. With modern equipment that might mean single units can be run off ...
I think the A7 series now has focus just about anywhere, no?
As does the Canon A7 and 1DxII when filming, "probably".
Canon's implementation is supposed to be exemplary, but the Sony system seems to work.

One thing is sure, I am glad the Japanese Yen is getting stronger by the minute!

Cheers,
Bernard

[eronald]

One thing is sure, I am glad the Japanese Yen is getting stronger by the minute!

Cheers,
Bernard

Yes, I *am* glad new models are coming out, I am adjusting my expectation to buy the very best 3d generation old equipment

Edmund

[BernardLanguillier]

Yes, I *am* glad new models are coming out, I am adjusting my expectation to buy the very best 3d generation old equipment

Anyway, this camera will probably not be available till year end and we will have much better visibility on the state of things by then.

Cheers,
Bernard

[BAB]

I would guess Fuji is pretty close as well...:
MIRRORLESS MEDIUM FORMAT :: Hasselblad will make the Start… but FUJIFILM’s Counterattack is (Almost) Ready !
http://www.fujirumors.com/fujifilm-mirrorless-medium-format-camera-coming/

unfortunately even if Fuji is ready to bring MF to market they cant seem to get the basics right dials and buttons! I mean did you ever use a X-Pro2 I've got 5000k frames on mine and for the live of me I cant seem to keep the EC dial from turning? not to mention Hasselblad is the KING of tethered in my opinion. Now buttons should be for commonly used quick changes love the joy stick button on the Fuji but....it also moves so easy you set it where you want it and two seconds later your not in the same spot!
SO, I rather shoot the simple way and shoot a Hassy, or any camera where the camera doesn't get in my way.