Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?

[mcbroomf]

I'm a bit puzzled by the lens FL choices for the 1st 2 releases.

For a 33x44 sensor the horizontal FOV is ~35mm equiv for the 45mm and an odd 70mm for the 90mm.  Perhapa good for a short macro but it's not listed as a macro
For the 40x54 sensor it's ~30mm for the 45mm lens and 60mm for the longer, closer to a normal FL.  Perhaps more typical choices if there is such a thing

[torger]

I don't think you can compare this camera with the CFV 50c back. We are talking of a whole camera with EVF. The CFV 50c is nice for tech cams (cross talk included) and the Hasselblad "oldtimers" (I have 3 of them), but with all the problems involved (focus precision, legacy lenses made for film and another format, etc.)

Ok, that's fair points... but I still think they can "cripple" the camera enough to not really hurt the H6 series. I do worry that they've made a bit too good job crippling it though... we'll see when we get more details.

[jamiemphoto]

I definitely think mirrorless is a huge deal for me. No mirror vibration! It kind of messes up the flow of my shoots to put the mirror up and then fire. I know I could say winding does the same thing, but I have to explain to models that the mirror going up isn't a shot, etc ... Also, with that tiny flange distance, I keep daydreaming about adaptation possibilities ... I have a CFV-50c and I'm not disappointed I didn't wait another half year for this, but this would have been what I aimed for when I purchased that. Also, I'm glad I went ahead and went V because the 40mm is wide enough for my needs, and I otherwise have a more diverse set of lenses.

[torger]

Hasselblad is probably laughing right now as the new camera doesn't have 50MP but the new 100Mp. That would be a game changer. Especially below 9K

That would be truly fantastic, but it doesn't seem likely to me from the images as the camera would then be made for really big hands...

[Christopher]

That would be truly fantastic, but it doesn't seem likely to me from the images as the camera would then be made for really big hands...

One can dream till reality is certain.


Christopher Hauser
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[JoeKitchen]

Lets hope so!

As a camera for architecture it will be perfect mounted to a mini view camera but with a 1.3 crop sensor no so great and the much talked about Sony A9 would fit better IMO.

Don't know about the Sony being a better choice here.  I think on CB's kit, with mostly medium format lenses, this would be a better option.  I have to wonder what the color depth is?  Of course, if you need to use Phocus ...

[E.J. Peiker]

From the photo, where you can see the sensor, one could come to the conclusion, that there is no focal plane shutter (again), or is it a global shutter?

If this camera depends on lenses with build in shutters, that would limit the adaptability drastically.

Mirrorless cameras, when the lens is removed, always have their sensors exposed.  On a mirrorless camera, the shutter is normally open so that you a see the image in the EVF which comes off of the sensor.  The shutter, in most cases is electronic for the first curtain and the shutter closes at the end of the exposure and then reopens to continue to show you an image in the EVF.  In those cases where there is no electronic first curtain, the shutter curtain closes when you press the shutter button and then goes through a normal shutter curtain cycle to take the picture.  Look at a front photo of just about any mirror less camera and you will see the sensor.

[siddhaarta]

... but I still think they can "cripple" the camera enough to not really hurt the H6 series. I do worry that they've made a bit too good job crippling it though... we'll see when we get more details.

Agree with that, tomorrow we'll know more

[siddhaarta]

Mirror less cameras. when the lens is removed always have their sensors exposed.  On a mirror less camera, the shutter is open so that you a see the image in the EVF which comes of of the sensor.  The shutter, in most cases the first curtain is electronic and the shutter closes at the end of the exposure and then reopens.  In those cases where there is no electronic first curtain, the shutter curtain closes when you press the shutter button and then goes through a normal shutter curtain cycle to take the picture.  Look at a front photo of just about any mirror less camera and you will see the sensor.

Sure, you are right .. so there is still hope, it has a focal plane shutter ...

[E.J. Peiker]

By the way, here is the direct link to the YouTube Live stream of the announcement:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tah8tiFLBZc

[ErikKaffehr]

Hi,

I am not sure Hasselblad would cripple the X1D. My guess is that they want to sell as many as they can make. My guess is that it is a new market, not competing with the old one.

Best regards
Erik

Agree with that, tomorrow we'll know more

[BernardLanguillier]

Based on the picture:
- the sensor is not square,
- if the sensor is the Sony 50m part, then the camera has approximately the same size as the Sony a7rII.

Personally, I don't know yet if I am interested. This is interesting for sure, but I'd have to figure out where it fits in a possible complete redesign of my camera line up. The Kina should give us more visibility about where things are going.

An interesting side effect, if this is successful (and I bet it will be) could be to give Hassy the financial means to lower the prices of the H6D in a few months. This camera has the potential to completely change the MF landscape within a year.

I bet Hassy will be able to negotiate better sensor prices from Sony than P1 due to the much larger of parts they will be ordering. Taking into account the additional cash inflow, they will be able to spread R&D costs over a larger number of bodies and true MF could go down in prices by another 20-30% which would make high end Hassy twice cheaper than P1 bodies.

The strategy is crystal clear. Get people to buy one of these with a couple of native lenses, release an adapter for H lenses that will make it possible to use the X body as a back up for the H one,... It's starting to make a lot of sense.

The only issue is Phocus, but it seems that version 3 is improved quite a bit.

Cheers,
Bernard

[Doug Peterson]

If this price is correct, it is a real danger for their new H6D 50MP (27.000 EUR), especially IF it will allow the use of H lenses.

If it's a 100MP sensor it would be a game changer and suicide ...

It's 50mp. Crop (not full frame) medium format sensor.

[gazwas]

It's 50mp. Crop (not full frame) medium format sensor.

Is that inside information fact Doug?

HB's latest instagram post says "Want to get the full picture?" (stressing the word full) which I was hoping was referring to full frame MF.

[Paul2660]

I guess we all know tomorrow for sure, but 99% sure it's the same old 50MP Sony sensor.  No way with all the issues Sony has currently could a totally new chip have been developed and shipped.  Nothing wrong with that 50MP chip, just don't feel you will be able to get a full frame chip in that body.

Paul C

[BAB]

Maybe also they can reuse the trade-in chips

[BernardLanguillier]

I guess we all know tomorrow for sure, but 99% sure it's the same old 50MP Sony sensor.  No way with all the issues Sony has currently could a totally new chip have been developed and shipped.  Nothing wrong with that 50MP chip, just don't feel you will be able to get a full frame chip in that body.

FF would make the lenses too large anyway.

Besides, Sony is likely to release a 70+ megapixel sensor for 35mm in the coming months that is likely to have as much DR as the current generation. This would mean more than 100mp in 44x33mm sized sensors when the next gen part becomes available. Who would ever need more than this for this type of camera?

Now, to me the key criteria will be the look of the lenses. I hope they went with Fuji designs.

Cheers,
Bernard

[BAB]

It's 50mp. Crop (not full frame) medium format sensor.

So is the NEW H6D 50

[AlterEgo]

The only issue is Phocus, but it seems that version 3 is improved quite a bit.

or they can get reasonable and just supply Adobe with all the necessary info to handle their raws properly in ACR/LR... Fuji does supply Adobe with SDK for example... if they can't invest as much as P1 in C1 then it is time to call it quits on some fronts... even Nikon licensed GUI from ISL (SilkyPix) to save time & effort on basic stuff

[siddphoto]

or they can get reasonable and just supply Adobe with all the necessary info to handle their raws properly in ACR/LR... Fuji does supply Adobe with SDK for example... if they can't invest as much as P1 in C1 then it is time to call it quits on some fronts... even Nikon licensed GUI from ISL (SilkyPix) to save time & effort on basic stuff

I thought Adobe already has all the necessary info to handle Hasselblad raws properly - is it not the case?