Ventizz to acquire Hasselblad

[design_freak]

Unlikely I think.  Why would Hasselblad do that?  Leica or Pentax don't do it either.  The main profits would go to Phase One.  What Hasselblad should come up with is a strategy for the existing H1/H2 owners with a Phase One back.  Now that they don't sell CF backs anymore they should come up with an very interesting trade-in/upgrade offer and convert these customers into H4D customers. 

You're right! Trade-in program is not effective for more than a year. This is a sick situation. Someone who bought such H3DII 50 and wants to buy with a tilde H4D60 must pay the same money as a guest which gives H3D39. I am not surprised that people exchange for P1.

[JV]

I am actually surprised that Hasselblad does not get more involved in selling used backs.  Phase One buys a used P30+ back for $6.5K and sells it again for $10K.  Rather easy money.  They don't even bother to upgrade the back to the latest firmware...

[David Watson]

I am actually surprised that Hasselblad does not get more involved in selling used backs.  Phase One buys a used P30+ back for $6.5K and sells it again for $10K.  Rather easy money.  They don't even bother to upgrade the back to the latest firmware...

Depends which country you are in.  In the UK the Pro Centre (Hasselblad subsidiary) are happy to take Hasselblad or any other equipment in part exchange.

[JV]

Depends which country you are in.  In the UK the Pro Centre (Hasselblad subsidiary) are happy to take Hasselblad or any other equipment in part exchange.

In the US there was a trade-in program but I believe they cancelled it.  It was not very interesting.  You were better off selling the stuff yourself.

[design_freak]

In the US there was a trade-in program but I believe they cancelled it.  It was not very interesting.  You were better off selling the stuff yourself.

Or trade in for Phase ONE

[David Grover / Capture One]

In the US there was a trade-in program but I believe they cancelled it.  It was not very interesting.  You were better off selling the stuff yourself.

Our trade in program is very much still active, worldwide.

[design_freak]

Our trade in program is very much still active, worldwide.

But it is not attractive...
And it should be, especially for current owners

[Dustbak]

Geez.... come on! Isn't there anything you don't have something to complain about? I think the trade-in program isn't better or worse than that of others. Agreed trading in newer models is less advantageous than older models. But hey! Be creative and solve that differently, no problem. I am pretty sure you know how people work this out. I know I will swap my 39MS with someone elses 39 (singleshot) before trading up for the 80MP Hasselblad for instance.

[design_freak]

Geez.... come on! Isn't there anything you don't have something to complain about? I think the trade-in program isn't better or worse than that of others. Agreed trading in newer models is less advantageous than older models. But hey! Be creative and solve that differently, no problem. I am pretty sure you know how people work this out. I know I will swap my 39MS with someone elses 39 (singleshot) before trading up for the 80MP Hasselblad for instance.

Unfortunately, you're wrong here. Phase One has a much better deal. In hasselblad you forget that you will receive 40% or even 60% discount.

[DeeJay]

Nobody invests on a "whim".  They talk to a dealer and take a demo, make a decision.

Yes you are right, sorry that was poorly worded. I spose I wrote it on a whim.

Anyway to spend some more time on my comment I would say that I do need to invest, right now, in a system. That's a long term decision. So while the decision is not on a whim, it's a decision that will based on what I know and hear. So it does feel like making a decision to buy a H4D60 would be like a whim as the industry seems geared to Phase One. There used to be a time when everyone was shooting Blads with P1 backs but now there's a whole lots of Mamiyas around and not too many Blads as the old H2's have had more battery resets than they can obviously handle and sadly my beloved V System (which I've been shooting for over 15 years from new) lenses just aren't up to scratch any more. So it seems Phase One, for me, is the best choice. If you had of left the system open I would most certainly buy into an H system. It kills me that you killed off what I believe to be the best and perfect system in the V and you introduced a replacement which you closed off and ugly as hell . Monumental mistake in my eyes and if you had of sold a V System that forced the person to only shot Fuji, well the same would be so, a decade ago. Artists like to choose.

Regardless, good luck with Ventizz.

[DeeJay]

Why would Hasselblad do that?

Because most photographers that I know use them, all the assistants that come go, plus the various rental companies tell me that Phase One is what people are using.

[David Watson]

Because most photographers that I know use them, all the assistants that come go, plus the various rental companies tell me that Phase One is what people are using.

I think it depends on how many photographers you know, where you are located and the quality of the local dealers and rental agencies.  I could say that all professional photographers I know  use Canon and that would be true as I don't know many.  Sure Phase One has a following but globally Hasselblad is way ahead in terms of sheer volume of systems in use.  BTW all MFD systems are now closed.  Just try fitting a Hasselbad back to a Leaf/Mamiya system. 

[DeeJay]

Hasselblad is way ahead in terms of sheer volume of systems in use.  BTW all MFD systems are now closed.  Just try fitting a Hasselbad back to a Leaf/Mamiya system.  

Hasselblad were. I'm telling you (and as a heavy Hasselblad user for a decent amount of years), the Phamiya systems are quickly replacing as the industry standard as the H2's are becoming older and unreliable and the V lenses being out resolved. Let's have this conversation again in a years time and see how the cards are laying.

I'm not comparing with the dSLR market.

[design_freak]

Really hard for me to understand that the competition treats me better than my beloved hardware manufacturer. You really should think of a better trade-in offer. Your Competition is now harvest

I'm not complaining, just pay attention to the important problem.

[Steve Hendrix]

I think it depends on how many photographers you know, where you are located and the quality of the local dealers and rental agencies.  I could say that all professional photographers I know  use Canon and that would be true as I don't know many.  Sure Phase One has a following but globally Hasselblad is way ahead in terms of sheer volume of systems in use.  BTW all MFD systems are now closed.  Just try fitting a Hasselbad back to a Leaf/Mamiya system. 

Hasselblad way ahead in terms of global sales - I am sorry, but this is not the case at all. And how would you know? And what criteria are you using? Total installed base, including legacy users? Or just total sales in 2011? 2010? Probably a pretty close call in terms of unit sales the past couple years. I could say I think Phase is still ahead, but how would I know? I do think I know enough that unit sales are not way ahead in favor of either company the past couple years.


That you cannot fit a Hasselblad back onto a Leaf/Mamiya system is not the fault of Leaf/Mamiya (or Phase). The camera is open. The back from Hasselblad is not.


Steve Hendrix

[Steve Hendrix]

Thanks for your support!

I think it is true to say that there are 100's, if not 1000's of photographers, working and plugging away, who simply do not have the time or inclination to participate in these forums.

I meet them every week and it is not always as "doom and gloom" as some participants would like us to think.

Thanks again!

David

1000's, not hundreds.

As widely known as this forum is, only a very small portion of the overall medium format users market is actively/visibly represented here. Even here, there is much anonymity. I've spoken to many photographers who have named the photographers in their town or city who do or would use medium format, and yet while they've said that, I've been aware they're missing countless others.


Steve Hendrix

[BlasR]

I can't read the much.

What are you guy talking about?

Please slow in short.

thanks. 

No one is working here.

[fredjeang]

No. It definitively was not Phase One that I am referring to.

Michael

Panasonic

[ErikKaffehr]

Hi,

Is it an educated guess, wild guess or a piece of knowledge?

Going MF from 4/3 would be a nice leap for Panasonic.

Best regards
Erik

Panasonic

[bcooter]

This is like a holy war that rages on in this forum from time to time.

Medium format survivalists vs. the great hordes of professionals that might, have, will, will not buy a new medium format back.

It doesn't matter except to the people that want to use a digital back, or the people that sell medium format backs.

Everybody else is just an innocent bystander because nobody from Phase or Hasselblad is going to tell your their sale figures, or future plans..

I own two medium format backs, they work fine, but all I know is my work has changed and changed quickly and until I find a medium format back that can shoot this with LED's or medium powered HMI's then I can't  continue to invest in that format unless things change.



I sincerely wish them all well, because they make professional equipment and competition should move their products forward.

Still, there is no denying that  the future is in stills, motion and a combination of the two.    In fact I find it fascinating that both Phase, Leaf and Hasselblad us motion imagery on their websites to sell their still cameras.

I think that tells you something.

IMO

BC