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Frans Waterlander

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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #1900 on: November 19, 2020, 06:50:16 pm »

Now dismiss these guys who've outlined Biden's accomplishments
That's an easy one: I dismiss Biden's accomplishments just as easy, no even easier, as you dismiss Trump's.
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« Reply #1901 on: November 19, 2020, 06:59:50 pm »

That's an easy one: I dismiss Biden's accomplishments just as easy, no even easier, as you dismiss Trump's.
Don't know or have understood facts = I dismiss facts. Got it.
There ARE areas of Trump's administration that was very well run. CISA; protection and guidance at a gov level from election interference. The guy who ran it did an amazing job considering the number of voters and a Pandemic. Trump fired him the other day.  On Twitter; what a man.
The same agency is tasked with aspects of security with the vaccines; not important to the guy that can't accept facts data and votes.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #1902 on: November 19, 2020, 07:47:19 pm »


This just in: Georgia has completed its recount and confirmed that Biden won by 12,275 votes.

Biden Maintains His Lead Over Trump as Georgia Recount Ends

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-20/biden-maintains-his-lead-over-trump-as-georgia-recount-ends
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« Reply #1903 on: November 19, 2020, 08:21:55 pm »

Three more of Trump’s lawsuits get tossed in Arizona, Georgia, and Pennsylvania.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/19/politics/arizona-pennsylvania-georgia-lawsuits-trump-biden/index.html

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« Reply #1904 on: November 19, 2020, 08:42:09 pm »

the virus has rounded the corner and has killed today first time over two thousands Americans

Sadly, a daily death toll of 4,000+ is already baked-in. Just the flu, innit.
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« Reply #1905 on: November 19, 2020, 09:53:46 pm »

Sadly, a daily death toll of 4,000+ is already baked-in. Just the flu, innit.

Yeh, we don't hear the Trumpateers chirping anymore that Covid is no dangerous than the flu. I've also remember a Trumpateer to be woken up when the death toll passes 60,000. Crickets from them now.
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« Reply #1906 on: November 19, 2020, 10:41:30 pm »

Three more of Trump’s lawsuits get tossed in Arizona, Georgia, and Pennsylvania.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/19/politics/arizona-pennsylvania-georgia-lawsuits-trump-biden/index.html

I haven't been reading the details of the various lawsuits, relying on your summaries instead. So today I read a few articles. It's a laughable effort, isn't it, utter farce.
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« Reply #1907 on: November 19, 2020, 10:43:27 pm »

I haven't been reading the details of the various lawsuits, relying on your summaries instead. So today I read a few articles. It's a laughable effort, isn't it, utter farce.

Farce, nothing.  It's a coordinated attack on democracy.
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« Reply #1908 on: November 19, 2020, 10:44:54 pm »

Farce, nothing.  It's a coordinated attack on democracy.

But not a very good one.
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« Reply #1909 on: November 19, 2020, 10:53:03 pm »

The virus situation in Canada is also worsening. The current toll is just under 5,000 cases for today, but the latest modelling numbers are between 5,000, 20,000 and 60,000 per day by end of December (depending on the restrictions being tightened, loosened or remaining as they are now). In other words, if the current restrictions are maintained, the forecast calls for 4 times more cases in 5 weeks from now.

Interestingly, the northern provinces (Alberta, Manitoba, even Nunavut Territory) are experiencing lately a steeper growth curve than Ontario and Quebec.
Alberta with 4.5M people had today about 1,100 cases, a similar count to Ontario with 14.5M people. It is unclear whether this phenomenon is due to colder climate in Alberta and Manitoba or less compliance with mask wearing and social distancing in those provinces.   
 
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« Reply #1910 on: November 20, 2020, 04:11:37 am »

The alarming thing is that the numbers in USA are still rapidly climbing. 173,000 new infections and 1,956 deaths in one day.

As I wrote several days ago, the USA would face the 2nd wave a few weeks after Europe, just like in the 1st wave. In Europe, governments were surprised that the 2nd wave hit before the Autumn, with numbers starting to rise end August. Of course few remember now the warnings of several virologists and epidemiologists that warned in June - July against all the travel during summer vacations.

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« Reply #1911 on: November 20, 2020, 04:20:31 am »

Giuliani and fellow legal team members are spouting off at a press conference going on now. They appear to have moved on from massive voter fraud to a vast election conspiracy among Democrats across the nation to rig the election. Still no proof of anything. Giuliani's brief is due tomorrow in federal court in Pennsylvania.

You've got to love the Daily Mail. Here is how they characterized the press conference:

'Did you all watch My Cousin Vinny?' Sweating Rudy Giuliani presents 'evidence' for 'massive voting fraud' as hair dye runs down his face - alongside 'elite legal strike force' who claim Joe Biden's win is a Venezuelan plot they uncovered on the internet

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8967203/Rudy-Giuliani-presents-evidence-massive-voting-fraud-bizarre-press-conference.html

"What we are seeing is massive influence of Communist money from Venezuela, Cuba and likely China,' he said."

At $20,000 a day, Giuliani can keep this up for a while. No word on how much the other members of this crack team of lawyers are getting paid.

So all the lawyers are at the press conference. Why? Do you need five lawyers for a press conference? Who is actually doing the work?

Truly hilarious. Anyway, they just found a gold mine by supporting the cheetos delusion. Unless they are only being paid based on actual results, which will not be good for them.

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« Reply #1912 on: November 20, 2020, 04:40:30 am »

Truly hilarious. Anyway, they just found a gold mine by supporting the cheetos delusion. Unless they are only being paid based on actual results, which will not be good for them.

Maybe Trump will pay his lawyers in Venezuelan bolivars.
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« Reply #1913 on: November 20, 2020, 10:16:09 am »

After giving her far more credibility than she deserves, even noted entertainer (not journalist - Fox said so in court) Tucker Carlson is starting to believe that Trumpy SuperLawyer Sidney Powell is full of it.

70 million of us voted for this.  JFC.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/trump-lawyer-sidney-powell-responds-to-tucker-carlson-conduct-your-own-investigation



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« Reply #1914 on: November 20, 2020, 10:21:05 am »

But not a very good one.

Doesn't need to be, unfortunately.  As of yesterday it's being reported that Trump folks are admitting that they can't/didn't win the vote, so they're deliberately trying to create discord so they can steal the election via state legislatures that will disregard the will of their citizens. 

(I wonder if there's a word for that?)
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« Reply #1915 on: November 20, 2020, 10:45:00 am »

So Sidney Powell is one of Giuliani's legal sidekicks. She is the tallish, blondish woman if you look at a photo of yesterday's "press conference". It really wasn't a press conference. I don't know what is was. It was more like a 90 minute telethon of conspiracy theories. Giuliani was his usual unhinged self, as we have come to expect. Powell was a little more low keyed. She kind of seemed in control as she rattled off that the voting machines and accompanying software across the nation were rigged to convert Trump votes to Biden using some mysterious algorithm developed for Hugo Chavez, a s Venezuelan dictator from years back, and that the votes changed left no evidence behind, which is kind of convenient, and may explain why we haven't seen any evidence. She also said there were Trump votes on a server in Germany being guarded by the military, and the whole thing was being financed by Venezuela, Cuba, and probably China. She is also a novelist which may explain a lot. As best I can tell, she doesn't work in a law firm; she's solo. Her bio says she "consults" on complex litigation. Obviously, you can't actually conduct complex litigation if you don't have an army of lawyers working with you; but you can certainly consult all by yourself.

Giuliani is also solo. He used to be in a law firm, but was asked to leave for some indiscretion or conflict of interest I no longer remember. Instead of a law firm, he has a consulting and security firm instead. Jenna Ellis is another female attorney on Team Trump. She also appears to be solo, and is currently "senior legal advisor" to the Trump 2020 campaign. Her bio said she is a "former" criminal prosecutor. She was an assistant district attorney in Colorado for a year. She too is an author, but I think she just authors articles for Fox News and the Washington Examiner. That is the right wing media outlet owned by the Moonies. She is also an on-air legal analyst for who else but Fox News. In a CNN interview last Sunday, Brian Stelter made her look like a fool. When a cable news guy massacres a lawyer, it doesn't reflect well on the lawyer's persuasive abilities. I mean if you can't convince a cable news guy that you've got a great case, how are you going to convince a judge. The other two attorneys on Trump's "elite strike force" are the husband and wife team of Joseph diGenova and Victoria Toensing. They are all but solo. Their law firm includes one other attorney, who you never hear from. This dynamic duo appears frequently on Fox News and, as best as I can remember, were involved in some capacity early on in the Trump 2016 campaign and first year or so of his administration, most likely as a counterpoint to the Meuller investigation. It is hard to keep up and that seems like ages ago.

I go through all this just to give you an idea of who is on Trump's dream team. The thing is, if you look at each individual's resume, they all look like experienced attorneys with excellent credentials. Then you notice they are all practicing solo, they all appear frequently on Fox News, and they all sound like right wing nut jobs spinning conspiracy theories at a press conference about Trump's legal strategy to overturn the election. And for the life of me, I can't figure out whose doing all the legal work - legal research, pleadings, motions, affidavits, exhibits, briefs, appeals. Something doesn't feel right here. Are all the lawyers just winging it?

But of course it could all be true. We've got about three weeks before the electoral college meets, and we'll just have to see how everything pans out.
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« Reply #1916 on: November 20, 2020, 11:03:51 am »

So Sidney Powell is one of Giuliani's sidekicks. She is the tallish, blondish woman if you look at a photo of yesterday's "press conference". It really wasn't a press conference. I don't know what is was. It was more like a 90 minute telethon of conspiracy theories. Giuliani was his usual unhinged self, as we have come to expect. Powell was a little more low keyed. She kind of seemed in control as she rattled off that the voting machines and accompanying software across the nation were rigged to convert Trump votes to Biden using some mysterious algorithm developed for Hugo Chavez, a s Venezuelan dictator from years back, and that the votes changed left no evidence behind, which is kind of convenient, and may explain why we haven't seen any evidence. She also said there were Trump votes on a server in Germany being guarded by the military, and the whole thing was being financed by s Venezuela, Cuba, and probably China. She is also a novelist which may explain a lot. As best I can tell, she doesn't work in a law firm; she's solo. Her bio says she "consults" on complex litigation. Obviously, you can't actually conduct complex litigation if you don't have an army of lawyers working with you; but you can certainly consult all by yourself.



Ohh. I missed that part. Now it's all starting to fall into place. 
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« Reply #1917 on: November 20, 2020, 11:35:57 am »

So it's over.......

Are we all agreed that love him or loathe him, Biden won the election fair and square?

Trump got a huge number of votes.  Biden got more votes.  Seems like good democracy at work.

It would appear that almost everyone thinks Trump is an idiot, but understandably some like his politics. 

Lots of Republicans are very miserable that the Democrats won.

Does that sum it all up?  Perhaps now the USA can get back to being the beacon of democracy and decency that it once aspired to.

Jim
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« Reply #1918 on: November 20, 2020, 11:59:51 am »

Ohh. I missed that part. Now it's all starting to fall into place.

Here you go:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/company-debunks-conspiracy-theory-that-its-seized-server-showed-a-landslide-for-trump/ar-BB1b6ByO?ocid=uxbndlbing

I forgot to mention that supposedly George Soros is somehow all tied up in the conspiracy too. He is always featured in right wing conspiracy theories.
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« Reply #1919 on: November 20, 2020, 12:04:04 pm »

So it's over.......

Are we all agreed that love him or loathe him, Biden won the election fair and square?

Trump got a huge number of votes.  Biden got more votes.  Seems like good democracy at work.

It would appear that almost everyone thinks Trump is an idiot, but understandably some like his politics. 

Lots of Republicans are very miserable that the Democrats won.

Does that sum it all up?  Perhaps now the USA can get back to being the beacon of democracy and decency that it once aspired to.

Jim

How have we been undemocratic? How have we been indecent?  Those are very strong words to use against my country.  Upwards of a million people still come to America every year.  Something's attracting them.  150 million people just voted here.  How is that undemocratic?  I don't know England.  But I don't think your morals are more "decent" than ours.  How is your leader more decent and democratic?  Defending your rights in a court of law is part of the meaning of democracy and freedom.  Complaining that he's wrong to do it is also part of democracy.  People on all sides are allowed to voice their opinions and rights, the very essence of democracy.  It would be undemocratic to shut these down on any side.  Wouldn't you agree?
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