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Who do you think will be sworn in as President on Jan. 21?

Biden
- 14 (66.7%)
Trump
- 7 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: November 02, 2020, 06:25:59 pm


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faberryman

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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #3380 on: October 28, 2020, 05:44:45 pm »

Wow, she said in essence Rudy you are just like Steele.  I would have left too.

He probably remembered he left his wallet in that hotel room, and thought he had better hurry up and go get it.
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« Reply #3381 on: October 28, 2020, 05:46:48 pm »

Yes.  Bubulinksi's, an honorable veteran's statement.

I'm also an honorably discharged veteran (1966-68, E5, U.S,. Army.) I say Trump is an egomaniac, a liar, is suffering from narcissistic personality disorder, has cheated on his taxes, has ripped off hard-working contractors on his building projects, is an idiot and a criminal and quite possibly a traitor. You should believe that because I'm an honorable veteran, etc. 
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« Reply #3382 on: October 28, 2020, 05:50:14 pm »

There may be an investigation going on but it hasn't been completed.  The FBI does not discuss investigations as a matter of policy and they're not suppose to do make announcements publicly within three months of an election according to DOJ guidelines if candidates are involved.  This prevents influencing an election one way or the other.

I thought Barr already said he really didn’t give a shit about that, he was going to release Dunham’s damaging report anyway, and then Dunham came up short, so Barr didn't get to tell everyone he was the savior of the free world and everything.
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #3383 on: October 28, 2020, 05:59:51 pm »

What we really need is for Clifford Irving to come back to life and write about all this.

And I had forgotten all about old Clifford Irving. Thanks.
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« Reply #3384 on: October 28, 2020, 06:04:11 pm »

Did Biden get asked any questions about all of this when he was to supposed to take questions after voting today?  Did he even take questions?

Never mind I just looked.  He took a couple of questions and left before it could get tough.  Funny video though.  Biden has been mocked for wearing two mask, what appears to be a n95 covered with the simple blue mask.  People mocked him because you could see the two sets of ear straps.  Today he did it again, what appears to be a n95 under a blue mask, but only one set of ear straps.  Looks like the n95 had the straps cut off and it was just sliding around under the blue one.  He had to constantly re-adjust the n95  Even worse he wasted the n96 because to make it effective it needs to fit tightly on the face.  So much for the shortage of PPE. To heck with the little guy or answering tough questions.  What a guy!

I was doing the same thing and my wife yelled at me for wasting too many masks. I told her to get her own damn groceries.
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #3385 on: October 28, 2020, 06:10:01 pm »

I had compared Bubba to Cohen, Trump's lawyer who went to jail for perjury and other things.

Yeah, you lost everybody with that one.
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« Reply #3386 on: October 28, 2020, 06:40:16 pm »

So now you want to call Bobulinski a liar?

Why not? Everybody calls everybody else a liar. What's makes bobblehead so special?
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« Reply #3387 on: October 28, 2020, 06:43:28 pm »

Take a deep breath, cross your fingers and figure out how you are going to feel when Trump wins again!

No need to take a deep breath. I already told you that if Trump wins I am going to cancel my cable TV and move to a cabin in the woods. It was my therapist's advice. I'm paying for it so I might as well use it.
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« Reply #3388 on: October 28, 2020, 06:46:19 pm »

I would suggest there is more evidence for Biden that flying saucers out at Roswell.

You obviously go to bed early and miss all the documentaries on The History Channel.
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« Reply #3389 on: October 28, 2020, 06:48:27 pm »

How would he know?  You keep wanting to blame Joe Biden for Hunter Biden's financial deals and private correspondence.  How does that work?  I mean, if I was setting a date with a, er, professional lady under the age of 18, I wouldn't clue my mom in, ya know?
How would he know one way or another?

See.. now were back to the unsupported supposition that you had to have had something to do with my contacting FujiFilm again, and that you must have been cut in on my 50K.  Biden has explicitly denied that there is a "bagman" or that he had or has any involvement in any way.  You can believe that or not, but you can't say that it's "suspicious" that he (Joe) hasn't denied involvement, because he most certainly has.  And still, *why is it a problem for you if Joe Biden has overseas investments?*

Joe (the big guy, my chairman) is included on the email chain. 

Joe has said he has not taken a cent from any overseas company, country.  That does not deny a bagman.

He says he has never done any business overseas, but Hunter has and again Joe is mentioned in emails and testimony discussing Hunters “work”. See Bagman above.

He says he has never talked to Hunter about his business, testimony says otherwise

If this were some Russian hoax as Joe says, why not say the computer and emails are fake?  Why, because doing so puts him in very serious danger should we find out in fact that the Laptop is Hunters and the emails are true.

You got wordsmithed by Joe’s people, IMO. But it is very interesting to see the shoes on others feet this time.

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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #3390 on: October 28, 2020, 06:55:50 pm »

I'm also an honorably discharged veteran (1966-68, E5, U.S,. Army.) I say Trump is an egomaniac, a liar, is suffering from narcissistic personality disorder, has cheated on his taxes, has ripped off hard-working contractors on his building projects, is an idiot and a criminal and quite possibly a traitor. You should believe that because I'm an honorable veteran, etc.

Thank you for your service. My parents weren't all that conscientious about getting things done, and I missed out on getting to go to Vietnam.
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« Reply #3391 on: October 28, 2020, 06:58:37 pm »

He says he has never talked to Hunter about his business, testimony says otherwise.

Sometimes I laugh when a Trump supporter says telling a lie disqualifies someone from being president.
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« Reply #3392 on: October 28, 2020, 06:58:49 pm »

Wonder what an "uninformed" debate would look like.

It would look like every other place online where public comments are posted. Informed comments mixed with the grossly uniformed along with misinformation, half-truths, and disinformation thrown in for good measure.

Careful, Russ. You'll upset TechTalk, whoever he (or, of course, she) might be. He (or, of course, she, but I think probably he) thinks this debate is pretty high-level stuff and has reprimanded me for describing it as drivel.

Jeremy

I've not found myself to be unable to express my own opinions or in need of someone to presumptuously state them for me with false opinions that are not representative of my own. I cannot only express my opinions more accurately but more succinctly, without irrelevant he/she prattle stuck into the middle of my sentences.

First, I don't have a problem with this particular comment from Russ as there is a great deal of uninformed commentary. If there weren't, I wouldn't be posting; I would just be reading. Because there is so much uninformed commentary, I do NOT think "this debate is pretty high-level stuff" as you falsely stated on my behalf. Nowhere online have I seen debate that is "pretty high-level stuff", where there is open commentary, as it never fails to attract a great many emotionally motivated and ill-informed comments.

In addition, I have not "reprimanded" you "for describing it as drivel". It positively rains drivel, making an umbrella advisable at times. What I have specifically criticized is the occasional, but unnecessary, inclusion in your comments of what I perceived to be patronizing, gratuitous, or condescending comments on the intellectual abilities and capacities of people involved in discussions here.

Such as this most recent example posted beneath photos of two birds fighting...

Sadly, they probably have, and indeed are exhibiting, greater capacity for intellectual argument than most of the contributors to the political threads.

Well shot, too.

Jeremy

The difference in perception between you and I may stem from the fact that I don't assume that comments posted that I find poorly reasoned or expressed are necessarily a reflection of intellectual ability. My experience has been that otherwise intelligent people often speak and act in ways that belie their intelligence due to the keen ability that emotions have to override one's reason. Motivated reasoning is the term used in social psychology for this phenomenon to which we are all susceptible regardless of education, intellect, or accomplishment.

For instance, I don't know what your reasoning was for mocking me by expressing views on my behalf to which I don't subscribe. Perhaps it was because you consider me to be part of the majority you seem to believe lack a "capacity for intellectual argument" in these threads and therefore took it upon yourself to speak for me. Or, maybe it was motivated reasoning due to a dislike of being the criticized rather than the critic. Perhaps it was something else that I haven't considered. I have no way of knowing, so I won't speculate as to your reasoning.

Lastly, I don't wish you to think that I believe myself above criticism or am unable to accept a good-natured ribbing. Obviously, you're just as entitled to your opinion as the rest of us and I assume as well that none of us deem ourselves above criticism.  However, if you are engaging in tongue-in-cheek comments; since it is your tongue and your cheek, perhaps you could project the comments from your voice rather than mine in the future. I would appreciate it.
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #3393 on: October 28, 2020, 07:04:31 pm »

I've been preoccupied since the beginning of the week. Anything new?
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« Reply #3394 on: October 28, 2020, 07:18:04 pm »

My experience has been that otherwise intelligent people often speak and act in ways that belie their intelligence due to the keen ability that emotions have to override one's reason.

That has been my experience as well. When I read your post I remembered that one time when I was in high school I went out on a date with this really nice girl and we had a lot of fun. Anyway, the next day my date's father called up my father, and they were on the phone for at least an hour, and afterwards my father came down and told me pretty much the same thing. At least you didn't make anybody call up and apologize.
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #3395 on: October 28, 2020, 07:22:36 pm »

Sometimes I laugh when a Trump supporter says telling a lie disqualifies someone from being president.

I expect all politicians to lie, I believe it’s part of their dna.  That said Biden bills himself as the morality candidate.  You can’t play it both ways. Well you can but it’s pretty hypocritical
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« Reply #3396 on: October 28, 2020, 07:29:55 pm »

I expect all politicians to lie, I believe it’s part of their dna.  That said Biden bills himself as the morality candidate.  You can’t play it both ways. Well you can but it’s pretty hypocritical

I didn't know that Biden has been billing himself as the morality candidate, but Trump has been doing a lot of stuff lately and I may have been distracted.
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« Reply #3397 on: October 28, 2020, 07:35:16 pm »

I didn't know that Biden has been billing himself as the morality candidate, but Trump has been doing a lot of stuff lately and I may have been distracted.

I’m open for a different word, what would you suggest?

Character?


Biden wants to make America moral,again
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/joe-biden-says-he-wants-to-make-america-moral-again
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« Reply #3398 on: October 28, 2020, 07:44:32 pm »

I’m open for a different word, what would you suggest?

Character?


Biden wants to make America moral,again
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/joe-biden-says-he-wants-to-make-america-moral-again

No time to read that. Trump's on TV again.
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« Reply #3399 on: October 28, 2020, 08:27:55 pm »

No time to read that. Trump's on TV again.

He’s always on tv these days, like the energizer bunny.
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