US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)

Biden

14 (66.7%)

Trump

7 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: November 02, 2020, 06:25:59 pm

[Alan Goldhammer]

President Trump better not look at the stock market today.  Good thing he is the candidate of the best economy ever.

[faberryman]

I believe Rudy said if you want to see the contents of the hard drive, to ask. Give him a call and see what happens.

Well, maybe I can set up a meeting. I mean he gave a 24 year old actress portraying a 15 year old foreign reporter a meeting, and ended up lying on his back on her bed with his hand in his pants, so why not me?

[faberryman]

Why hasn't Attorney General Barr launched a big investigation?

I believe initially some said that the whole thing was a big FBI cover-up, deep state stuff you know. I don't remember if Barr was supposed to be in on it too. But quit asking obvious questions. You are ruining the plot line.

[Craig Lamson]

Why not? Bobblehead has all his stuff on his own computer. Why does he need Hunter Biden's computer. Did the FBI or Giuliani and friends let bobblehead look at all the stuff on Hunter Biden's laptop? I thought bobblehead was just releasing his stuff out of a patriotic duty, having previously served in the armed force and all.

How do we get to Bobulinski?  Hunters laptop.

[Craig Lamson]

President Trump better not look at the stock market today.  Good thing he is the candidate of the best economy ever.

Alan you are smart enough to know the market ebbs and flows. 

Is your portfolio better today than it was 4 years ago?

[Craig Lamson]

Well, maybe I can set up a meeting. I mean he gave a 24 year old actress portraying a 15 year old foreign reporter a meeting, and ended up lying on his back on her bed with his hand in his pants, so why not me?

You want to end up lying on your back on a bed with your hand in your pants with Rudy?

[Craig Lamson]

Why hasn't Attorney General Barr launched a big investigation?

Maybe he has.  They often don’t comment on ongoing investigations

[James Clark]

Did any of the Trump children or brothers try to sell access to the President?

I have no idea - but what they do or don't do to take advantage of their last name isn't really of consequence, is it?  I mean, they all work for their dad's company, and he (Donald Trump Sr.) *still owns the company* so aren't they by definition working on his behalf whenever they make a deal?  How can you deny that their entanglements with their dad's finances are any *possibly* any less that Hunter Biden's with Joe's?

And even so, I still don't see the "so what." 

Look - let's say that you, Craig Lamson, get fed up and suddenly get elected governor of your state.   I "talk" to you on LuLa once a week or so, and, being the enterprising young man that I am, let it be known to my vast network at FujiFilm that I can make an intro, and I charge them 50K for the privilege.

At this point, what have you done wrong?   

Let's say I actually make the intro, what have you done wrong at that point?

Hell, let's even say that I propose a retail operation in your state, and that I think you'll want 10%, but then you tell me to screw off, and you release your tax returns that shows that you own exactly nothing of any partnership with Fujifilm, or any Japanese company?

What have you done wrong?

I would love to be enlightened.  What exactly is Trump doing everyday, all out in the open?

He's got conflicts of interest up the wazoo.  Isn't that what this is all about?  Joe Biden might be involved his son's foreign business, and his son might have taken money to make an intro?  Trump actually OWNS businesses that do all sorts of work overseas, and his own kids' livelihoods actively depend on that. Isn't that a problem?  Isn't Trump conflicted into doing things that benefit his family the same way Joe Biden is supposed to be conflicted?

Now if you became governor and said, "Hey - James Clark - go tell Fujifilm that they can get an appointment with me, and see if you can get 50K to make it happen.  Oh, and pass me half on the side.." then yeah, that's a problem.  But there's absolutely zero evidence of that.  In fact, that's sort of what got Blogojovich tossed into jail, and Trump commuted that dude's sentence, so???

I get it, this just does matter to you. I’m going out on a limb here but I think you might have voted for any Dem to just oust Trump.  That’s valid of course.  What would it have taken for you not to vote for Trumps opponent?

Not any Dem.  Bernie Sanders would have been a hard choice for me to pull the lever for, but he wouldn't have had a prayer here in TX anyway, so I could have voted for Jorgensen with a clear conscience.  I would have happily voted for Buttigieg or Harris, and in fact preferred them both to Biden.  Warren would have been my "lesser of two evils" but at least she's smart. And competent.   

[faberryman]

You want to end up lying on your back on a bed with your hand in your pants with Rudy?

I'm kind of afraid that might happen though, as in the movie, it would be Rudy lying on his back on a bed with his hand in his pants,  I may have mentioned that the guy is whackadoodle, and after watching the Borat movie, maybe even worse. Besides, he is in hiding and not taking calls. And I'm not going anywhere near a hotel with him.  There might be a camera or something.

[faberryman]

How do we get to Bobulinski?  Hunters laptop.

I thought it was more like bobblehead calls up Fox and says "I am a Trump supporter and you wouldn't believe the stuff I've got on Biden. How about an interview? I was thinking maybe Tucker Carlson"

[faberryman]

President Trump better not look at the stock market today.  Good thing he is the candidate of the best economy ever.

You should have seen it in April.

[Frans Waterlander]

I thought it was more like bobblehead calls up Fox and says " I am a Trump supporter and you wouldn't believe the stuff I've got on Biden. How about an interview?"

You may have noticed (but I'm not holding my breath) that the Biden clan hasn't contradicted any of the information on the Hunter computer or from Bobulinski.

[James Clark]

You may have noticed (but I'm not holding my breath) that the Biden clan hasn't contradicted any of the information on the Hunter computer or from Bobulinski.

Again, from the Fox article I linked earlier:

“Joe Biden has never even considered being involved in business with his family, nor in any overseas business whatsoever," Biden campaign spokesman Andrew Bates told Fox News. "He has never held stock in any such business arrangements nor has any family member or any other person ever held stock for him.”

"I have not taken a penny from any foreign source ever in my life," Joe Biden said at a presidential debate last week.

Biden has repeatedly denied being involved with his son’s business dealings.

Which part of the above do you need me to dumb down for you?

[faberryman]

You may have noticed (but I'm not holding my breath) that the Biden clan hasn't contradicted any of the information on the Hunter computer or from Bobulinski.

Guilty or not, that seems like the prudent thing do. I mean Biden said he's never been in on any foreign deals at the debate.  Why go into all the details.  Did I mention about Tar-Baby?

[Alan Goldhammer]

Well it turns out the Trump rally in Omaha did not turn out well for those who attended.  "By the time President Trump finished speaking to thousands of supporters at Omaha’s Eppley Airfield on Tuesday night and jetted away on Air Force One, the temperature had plunged to nearly freezing.

But as long lines of MAGA-clad attendees queued up for buses to take them to distant parking lots, it quickly became clear something was wrong.

The buses, the huge crowd soon learned, couldn’t navigate the jammed airport roads. For hours, attendees — including many elderly Trump supporters — stood in the cold, as police scrambled to help those most at-risk get to warmth.

At least seven people were taken to hospitals"  You can read more here at MSM WaPo:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/28/trump-omaha-supporters-stuck-cold/ 

[Craig Lamson]

I have no idea - but what they do or don't do to take advantage of their last name isn't really of consequence, is it?  I mean, they all work for their dad's company, and he (Donald Trump Sr.) *still owns the company* so aren't they by definition working on his behalf whenever they make a deal?  How can you deny that their entanglements with their dad's finances are any *possibly* any less that Hunter Biden's with Joe's?

And even so, I still don't see the "so what." 

Look - let's say that you, Craig Lamson, get fed up and suddenly get elected governor of your state.   I "talk" to you on LuLa once a week or so, and, being the enterprising young man that I am, let it be known to my vast network at FujiFilm that I can make an intro, and I charge them 50K for the privilege.

At this point, what have you done wrong?   

Let's say I actually make the intro, what have you done wrong at that point?

Hell, let's even say that I propose a retail operation in your state, and that I think you'll want 10%, but then you tell me to screw off, and you release your tax returns that shows that you own exactly nothing of any partnership with Fujifilm, or any Japanese company?

What have you done wrong?

He's got conflicts of interest up the wazoo.  Isn't that what this is all about?  Joe Biden might be involved his son's foreign business, and his son might have taken money to make an intro?  Trump actually OWNS businesses that do all sorts of work overseas, and his own kids' livelihoods actively depend on that. Isn't that a problem?  Isn't Trump conflicted into doing things that benefit his family the same way Joe Biden is supposed to be conflicted?

Now if you became governor and said, "Hey - James Clark - go tell Fujifilm that they can get an appointment with me, and see if you can get 50K to make it happen.  Oh, and pass me half on the side.." then yeah, that's a problem.  But there's absolutely zero evidence of that.  In fact, that's sort of what got Blogojovich tossed into jail, and Trump commuted that dude's sentence, so???


Not any Dem.  Bernie Sanders would have been a hard choice for me to pull the lever for, but he wouldn't have had a prayer here in TX anyway, so I could have voted for Jorgensen with a clear conscience.  I would have happily voted for Buttigieg or Harris, and in fact preferred them both to Biden.  Warren would have been my "lesser of two evils" but at least she's smart. And competent.

It s a bit different than that James.  Let’s put aside the possibility of Joe taking cash and say yea it’s just Hunter.  So Hunter  is doing deals with bigs in the CCP, even being the personal attorney for one of them.  He’s also doing deals with lots of other places that are not all that friendly.  Let’s also say that one of Hunters law clients is doing a 9 billion energy deal with Russia.  Let’s also say that Joe’s Brother is also all in on many of these deals.  Let’s also say that Hunter is a raging crackhead who likes parting with the ladies, some who seem pretty young.  Let’s also say that Hunter has alleged photos of him partying with a Russian honeypot and the have photos.  What if Joe knows all about it?

Is all of this true?  Evidence suggests it’s true. But it might not hold water.  But I guess we I’ll find out because our free press MSM is sure to be in full investigation mode  /s

Now itself this is a Hunter problem.  Or is it also a Joe problem.  Can the potential President Joe Biden be compromised?  Could he be blackmailed?

The left has spent 4 years and a massive number of words telling us Trump is compromised.  He is Putin’s  puppet.  So what about Joe?  Does anyone on the left even care?

[Craig Lamson]

Again, from the Fox article I linked earlier:

Which part of the above do you need me to dumb down for you?

Did he say the emails were not true?   Did he say the computer was faked?  Do you understand what a bagman is? ... I know you do.

[Craig Lamson]

Well it turns out the Trump rally in Omaha did not turn out well for those who attended.  "By the time President Trump finished speaking to thousands of supporters at Omaha’s Eppley Airfield on Tuesday night and jetted away on Air Force One, the temperature had plunged to nearly freezing.

But as long lines of MAGA-clad attendees queued up for buses to take them to distant parking lots, it quickly became clear something was wrong.

The buses, the huge crowd soon learned, couldn’t navigate the jammed airport roads. For hours, attendees — including many elderly Trump supporters — stood in the cold, as police scrambled to help those most at-risk get to warmth.

At least seven people were taken to hospitals"  You can read more here at MSM WaPo:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/28/trump-omaha-supporters-stuck-cold/

From your linked story.  Trump provided 40 buses instead of the normal 15.   It is unknown how many people that were taken to the hospital for the cold.   

[Alan Goldhammer]

Politico have a very useful story on the state of the Hunter Biden 'scandal':  https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/28/trump-conspiracy-theoryhunter-biden-433131  Do note the link to the WSJ story (a favorite news outlet for Craig) that notes no role for Joe Biden.

Facts can be inconvenient and true scandals require evidence.

[James Clark]

Did he say the emails were not true?

How would he know?  You keep wanting to blame Joe Biden for Hunter Biden's financial deals and private correspondence.  How does that work?  I mean, if I was setting a date with a, er, professional lady under the age of 18, I wouldn't clue my mom in, ya know?

Did he say the computer was faked?

How would he know one way or another?

Do you understand what a bagman is? ... I know you do.

See.. now were back to the unsupported supposition that you had to have had something to do with my contacting FujiFilm again, and that you must have been cut in on my 50K.  Biden has explicitly denied that there is a "bagman" or that he had or has any involvement in any way.  You can believe that or not, but you can't say that it's "suspicious" that he (Joe) hasn't denied involvement, because he most certainly has.  And still, *why is it a problem for you if Joe Biden has overseas investments?*