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Who do you think will be sworn in as President on Jan. 21?

Biden
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Trump
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Voting closed: November 02, 2020, 06:25:59 pm


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faberryman

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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #580 on: August 14, 2020, 06:07:01 am »

And Democrats refusing to make any deal is their attempt to get a bunch of angry voters who don't get money to vote Democrat by blaming Republicans for the problem.  Both are sides are playing politics.

So both sides are "playing politics" but it is the Democrat's fault they could not reach a deal? Interesting.
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« Reply #581 on: August 14, 2020, 06:23:47 am »

My impression is that Kamala Harris is a mixture of three racial groups; Indian Asian, Black African, and White Caucasian, with the 'Indian Asian' aspect predominating and the 'White' part coming from an Irish slave owner, Hamilton Brown. Have I got that right?

I don't have any idea. I haven't looked into it except to read your post. When you get it all figured out, please let us know. How far back do you think you'll go? I have no idea how accurate the birtherism records are in Jamaica.
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #582 on: August 14, 2020, 08:11:44 am »



My impression is that Kamala Harris is a mixture of three racial groups; Indian Asian, Black African, and White Caucasian, with the 'Indian Asian' aspect predominating and the 'White' part coming from an Irish slave owner, Hamilton Brown. Have I got that right?


Isn't this entire subject a bit 18th century? I mean, honestly, discussing racial ancestry in a day and age when we can easily get DNA profiles seems a little previous. Maybe we could insist on DNA profiles of people standing for election. Wouldn't it be hilarious if Trump, Obama, Biden and Hilary all turned out to be cousins?  :)

I saw this item this morning, https://thehill.com/homenews/morning-report/511981-the-hills-morning-report. Not that birther stuff again, I thought!

I am surprised that religious fundamentalists haven't raised concerns about the native soil birth requirement for presidential candidates. I would thought by now that some of them would have instead insisted on a native soil conception requirement, since really, it's when the zygote initiates that life begins, no? It's where the parents did the deed that really matters!

Just in case it's not obvious, I find it impossible to take this stuff seriously. But thanks for the laugh.
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #583 on: August 14, 2020, 08:37:32 am »

Well, Biden has helped run up American debt for 40 years in politics.
This is pretty stupid as the national debt has increased more under trump than under any other President.
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« Reply #584 on: August 14, 2020, 08:54:59 am »

By all means, confuse me with a Pulitzer-prize winning journalist anytime.   Welcome back.

Sure thing, although I dont take Pulitzer prizes too seriously.  Perhaps when Duranty's is revoked for refusing to report on the Holodomor and fighting to suppress it I'll reconsider.   
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« Reply #585 on: August 14, 2020, 09:18:56 am »

Isn't this entire subject a bit 18th century? I mean, honestly, discussing racial ancestry in a day and age when we can easily get DNA profiles seems a little previous.

Fair enough! If you can easily get the DNA profile of Kamala Harris, then do so. Case closed.  ;)

My impression is, a major reason she was chosen as VP running mate is because she would appeal to Black American voters because of her Black African ancestry. I'm just questioning how much Black African ancestry does she really have, in percentage terms.

It's purely a matter of general interest for me. I'm not involved in US politics, but I do place value on accurate facts.
I found the following statement in Wikipedia.

"Donald Harris claims to be descended from slaveowner Hamilton Brown, the namesake of Brown's Town, a claim Snopes rated as unproven."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_J._Harris
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« Reply #586 on: August 14, 2020, 09:28:39 am »

This is pretty stupid as the national debt has increased more under trump than under any other President.

My point was that Trump at least worked in private industry.  He understands what's needed for an industrious country.  The tax bill he pushed and passed helped us be more effective from a business and jobs standpoint.  Biden, having always worked for the government, thinks the government creates wealth.  He's never seen a government agency that shouldn't be bigger. Spending and regulation are in his blood. Trump on the other hand hates regulation because it interferes with profits.  It slows down success.  He's very cheap.  What president ever negotiated the price for his own Air Force 1?

But I do agree that Trump has become just like the government officials he always complains about.  He's learned how to buy votes just like the best of them.
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« Reply #587 on: August 14, 2020, 10:09:32 am »

I think you are gilding the lily to call the stuff Trump has been into as “industry”.
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« Reply #588 on: August 14, 2020, 10:18:35 am »

Fair enough! If you can easily get the DNA profile of Kamala Harris, then do so. Case closed.  ;)

My impression is, a major reason she was chosen as VP running mate is because she would appeal to Black American voters because of her Black African ancestry.

Umm, no - rather that she would appeal to Black American voters as someone whose personal experience  as a black woman (even if she is descended from Finnish albinos) shows that she understands their issues.
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« Reply #589 on: August 14, 2020, 10:26:15 am »

I think you are gilding the lily to call the stuff Trump has been into as “industry”.
He's worth $3 billion.  Employed thousands of people. How industrious do you want him to be? Think of all the photos you'd have to sell to equal that.  :)

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« Reply #590 on: August 14, 2020, 10:31:33 am »

Fair enough! If you can easily get the DNA profile of Kamala Harris, then do so. Case closed.  ;)

My impression is, a major reason she was chosen as VP running mate is because she would appeal to Black American voters because of her Black African ancestry. I'm just questioning how much Black African ancestry does she really have, in percentage terms.

It's purely a matter of general interest for me. I'm not involved in US politics, but I do place value on accurate facts.
I found the following statement in Wikipedia.

"Donald Harris claims to be descended from slaveowner Hamilton Brown, the namesake of Brown's Town, a claim Snopes rated as unproven."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_J._Harris

Biden does not need any help with the Black vote; he's a Democrats.  Plus, Black Americans largely rejected Harris in the primary.  Now the Biden campaign may have picked her for this, but the primary shows it wont really help him with this demographic. 

To be honest, I think this pick does him more harm then good, but when you eliminate 98% of your options purely over Woke politics, this is the choice you are forced to make.  But rest assure, she has so many issues with her. 

Most obvious, if she is such a great choice, why was she polling at 1% support before she dropped out of the primary?  She was a distant 4th in her home state, which is more then likely why she dropped out, to avoid the embarrassment of losing in her state. 

Not to mention, there some very reasonable questions any serious reporter will ask, like, "you are now running with Joe Biden, who just a few months ago you publicly called a rapist.  Do you still believe he is a rapist, and if not, what has changed your mind?" 

"You are now running with Joe Biden, whom you implied several times is a racist through his lack of support of bussing and public praise of former KKK members.  Not to mention, since then, he has made some rather disparaging remarks about the black community in general.  Do you still feel he is a racist, and if not, why?" 

"It is well known that you started your career by having an affair with your boss, Willie Brown, who handed you several politically beneficial appointments.  He even campaigned on your behalf.  In the era of #MeToo, what kind of message does this send to girls and young women in general?"  (No doubt this attack will be portrayed as sexist, but it isn't, it's a legitimate critique that will go a long way with certain type of women.) 

There are several other things too, such as she is consistently ranked as one of the most liberal senators in congress, and last year was said to be more so than Bernie and Warren.  Although this may appeal to progressives, her top cop stance is not something they appear to be okay with overlooking.  Then, those voters whom would be fine with a top cop dont like her progressive policies (such as universal health care, the Green New deal, mandatory gun confiscation (buy backs, but that is what it is), support for abortion up until birth, etc). 

With over 50% of Dems believe Biden wont finish his first term, Harris is the one with the target on her back, and it is an easy target.  Easier then Trump?  Who knows, but she is not anywhere near a great choice. 
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« Reply #591 on: August 14, 2020, 10:41:37 am »

Harris, a former prosecutor and current senator, is attractive and personable as well.  She's sexy and has a nice smile. She will appeal to white women and men as well as blacks.  It was a good pick.

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« Reply #592 on: August 14, 2020, 10:47:53 am »

Harris, a former prosecutor and current senator, is attractive and personable as well.  She's sexy and has a nice smile. She will appeal to white women and men as well as blacks.  It was a good pick.

I dont think that matters at all. 

I forget the exact campaign (I think Harding vs Cox), but shortly after women got the vote, there was large speculation that the handsome candidate would win since, well, he was better looking.  He lost, big time.  I dont think anyone makes any decisions off of looks. 
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« Reply #593 on: August 14, 2020, 11:02:57 am »

Harris, a former prosecutor and current senator, is attractive and personable as well.  She's sexy and has a nice smile. She will appeal to white women and men as well as blacks.  It was a good pick.

That's all well and good, but I think I'll wait on Ray's two-pronged report on her ancestry and her father's views on current affairs.

Also the results of her debate with Mike Pence. Since it will be conducted without an audience, I guess Mike Pence's wife will need to be there to supervise him so he doesn't lose control and drop trou in front of Harris or whatever he is afraid of doing.
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« Reply #594 on: August 14, 2020, 11:03:24 am »

I dont think that matters at all. 

I forget the exact campaign, but shortly after women got the vote, there was large speculation that the very handsome candidate would win since, well, he was so good looking.  He lost, big time.  I dont think anyone makes any decisions off of looks. 
She's a personable and likable person with  great smile that white women can identify with. Frankly, she has a lot of white features. Her husband's white. White suburbanites can see her living next door.  So she satisfied Biden's promise to blacks for a black VP.  Plus he'll pick up the white women vote as well. I'm sure these things went into Biden's decision making. It was a smart pick. Any women here want to add their view about her?

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« Reply #595 on: August 14, 2020, 11:07:42 am »

She's a personable and likable person with  great smile that white women can identify with. Frankly, she has a lot of white features.

These are "white features"?
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« Reply #596 on: August 14, 2020, 11:08:09 am »

She's a personable and likable person with  great smile that white women can identify with. Frankly, she has a lot of white features. Her husband's white. White suburbanites can see her living next door.  So she satisfied Biden's promise to blacks for a black VP.  Plus he'll pick up the white women vote as well. I'm sure these things went into Biden's decision making. It was a smart pick. Any women here want to add their view about her?

White people voted for Obama overwhelmingly, twice.  I just don't think her race matters at all, nor her looks.  Although it hard to think of a recent election that either had a good looking candidate, or one that lost, it is hard to speculate on looks in the current environment.  Obama is the only example that comes to mind as good looking, and once again, I doubt he won over his looks. 
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« Reply #597 on: August 14, 2020, 11:19:13 am »

These are "white features"?
I was referring to racial and physical features.  After all, her mother is Asian Indian and her father doesn't appear 100% black.  Her personality and likeability have nothing to do with race.  Personally, I think Obama's are better than Trump's. 

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« Reply #598 on: August 14, 2020, 11:22:32 am »

I can't even believe what I am reading. Holy smokes.
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« Reply #599 on: August 14, 2020, 11:38:37 am »

I can't even believe what I am reading. Holy smokes.

You can't?  You remain essentially an optimist then. Admirable.
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