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« Reply #680 on: March 20, 2020, 09:59:33 am »

Here is what will probably be my only US political comment.  As elected US representatives have to disclose financial transactions, it turns out that Senator Richard Burr, chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee and possessor of a lot of knowledge about what was going on, sold $1.5M worth of stock in late February and then to compound things told as closed group of businessmen that COVID-19 was going to be worse than the 1918 flu.  Senator Kelly Loeffler of Georgia sold over $1.5M worth stock and bought a lot of CITRIX stock (online conference platform company).  Tucker Carlson of FOX News went after Senator Burr last night calling for his resignation and requesting prosecution for insider trading.  Here is one web link among many:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/20/coronavirus-tucker-carlson-burr/

He wasn't even the only one, Sen. Kelly Loeffler also sold stocks in the millions. I'm going to bet that these senators also voted against the relief package for COVID-19.
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« Reply #681 on: March 20, 2020, 10:08:22 am »

Including our Prime Minister's father!

Are you serious?  Surely he is not visiting the pubs right now. 
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« Reply #682 on: March 20, 2020, 10:10:06 am »

Here is what will probably be my only US political comment.  As elected US representatives have to disclose financial transactions, it turns out that Senator Richard Burr, chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee and possessor of a lot of knowledge about what was going on, sold $1.5M worth of stock in late February and then to compound things told as closed group of businessmen that COVID-19 was going to be worse than the 1918 flu.  Senator Kelly Loeffler of Georgia sold over $1.5M worth stock and bought a lot of CITRIX stock (online conference platform company).  Tucker Carlson of FOX News went after Senator Burr last night calling for his resignation and requesting prosecution for insider trading.  Here is one web link among many:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/20/coronavirus-tucker-carlson-burr/

I dont even know how you can come back from this politically.  Their careers are over. 
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« Reply #683 on: March 20, 2020, 10:12:07 am »

Here is what will probably be my only US political comment.  As elected US representatives have to disclose financial transactions, it turns out that Senator Richard Burr, chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee and possessor of a lot of knowledge about what was going on, sold $1.5M worth of stock in late February and then to compound things told as closed group of businessmen that COVID-19 was going to be worse than the 1918 flu.  Senator Kelly Loeffler of Georgia sold over $1.5M worth stock and bought a lot of CITRIX stock (online conference platform company).  Tucker Carlson of FOX News went after Senator Burr last night calling for his resignation and requesting prosecution for insider trading.  Here is one web link among many:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/20/coronavirus-tucker-carlson-burr/

I think Feinstien did too.  I agree with Tucker.  They need to face the music, AND  resigning should be on the table as well.
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« Reply #684 on: March 20, 2020, 10:17:22 am »

Please forgive me a couple of smart-ass comments.

Over human history, we have settled on eating a relatively small number of domesticated animal and vegetable species. My understanding is that many (if not all) of our recent pathogen scares can trace their origins to unhygienic mixing of wild animal species with domesticated ones, especially in those now infamous wet markets in China.

Question: Do we know of any pathogens that can be traced to plants?

My first comment. The government in China has tried, though not very emphatically, to curb these practices. I can't help but wonder how much of that is because people don't like their government telling them what to do or because governments need/want those food sources. I'm sure the reason things are as they are is because of a variety of reasons.

My second comment. I can't help but wonder how many vegans are sitting at home thinking, "Told ya."

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« Reply #685 on: March 20, 2020, 10:20:51 am »

I dont even know how you can come back from this politically.  Their careers are over.

I hope you're right, but as a cynical pessimist when it comes to white collar crime, I fear you're being optimistic.

And if the worst that happens to them is that their political careers are over, my cynical response would be, "Hey, I'd take that." They have the cash, they will probably retain their elected office pension, and some corporation or lobbying organization will hire them because that's exactly the kind of person they want in their organization.

I sincerely hope that I am so stupidly wrong.
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« Reply #686 on: March 20, 2020, 10:26:34 am »

Please forgive me a couple of smart-ass comments.

Over human history, we have settled on eating a relatively small number of domesticated animal and vegetable species. My understanding is that many (if not all) of our recent pathogen scares can trace their origins to unhygienic mixing of wild animal species with domesticated ones, especially in those now infamous wet markets in China.

Question: Do we know of any pathogens that can be traced to plants?

My first comment. The government in China has tried, though not very emphatically, to curb these practices. I can't help but wonder how much of that is because people don't like their government telling them what to do or because governments need/want those food sources. I'm sure the reason things are as they are is because of a variety of reasons.

My second comment. I can't help but wonder how many vegans are sitting at home thinking, "Told ya."

:)

My response to this is that up until around the 1910s, we in the west had some seriously bad food practices brought to light by The Jungle.  We reformed for the better; let's hope China does to.  If they can not, like we did so many decades ago, then I am for making the travel restrictions to China permanent. 

We cant afford as a world to go through this every 4 or 5 years.  This is not the first disease to come from these wet markets. 

Insofar as plants are concerned, I doubt pathogens could ever came from plants.  It is already difficult enough for pathogens to jump species close to each other.  Jumping to a whole different kingdom I dont see as possible.  This is not to say people dont get sick from bacteria developing on those plants.  But a blight (plant pathogen) jumping to a human, I presume to be nearly impossible. 
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« Reply #687 on: March 20, 2020, 10:28:25 am »

Are you serious?  Surely he is not visiting the pubs right now.

Yes, deadly serious.

Of course I'll go to the pub

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« Reply #688 on: March 20, 2020, 10:28:28 am »

The videos shown on TV of crowded beaches used telephoto lenses.  We know about compression being photographers.  Everyone looks much more cramped together than they are.  Of course the newscasters deliberately do that for effect.
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« Reply #689 on: March 20, 2020, 10:41:26 am »



Over human history, we have settled on eating a relatively small number of domesticated animal and vegetable species. My understanding is that many (if not all) of our recent pathogen scares can trace their origins to unhygienic mixing of wild animal species with domesticated ones, especially in those now infamous wet markets in China.

Question: Do we know of any pathogens that can be traced to plants?


Plants viruses have not been shown to cross species lines.  However, plants do manufacture a variety of poisonous substances (ricin toxin is perhaps the best example and has been used to assassinate a couple of people that I'm aware of).  Plants also can carry pathogenic microorganisms if improperly handled (semi-frequent E.coli outbreaks in the US from tainted Romaine lettuce).

Yes, the Chinese open air markets need to be cleaned up.  That won't solve the problem entirely.  Seasonal flu variations come about from viruses jumping between humans, fowl (principally ducks), and pigs which are all prevalent in China.
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« Reply #690 on: March 20, 2020, 11:05:21 am »

Slobodan has gone very quiet. He and I might not agree on much but I hope all is well and that he is recovering from whatever bug he has.

Oh god no, not Slobodan? This site would not be the same without him and all the rest of you, so I really do hope he hasn't got the damn virus and he fully recovers from whatever it is that he has got.

Be safe everyone, stay indoors and self isolate if you can and follow whatever advice is being broadcast to you.

These are dark days indeed  >:(

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« Reply #691 on: March 20, 2020, 11:08:38 am »

About the Italian situation, it's possible that the virus was circulating there before it was even recognized as a serious threat in China. I read a report yesterday in which an Italian epidemiologist said they had several reports of an unusual and intractable pneumonia in the Milan region back as far as November, affecting mostly elderly people. Milan is a big fashion center, with many of the fashions coming out of there fabricated in China. I wonder if the virus was circulating there mostly unseen, or perhaps mistaken for the flu, long before the problem exploded?
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« Reply #692 on: March 20, 2020, 11:10:27 am »

I hope you're right, but as a cynical pessimist when it comes to white collar crime, I fear you're being optimistic.

And if the worst that happens to them is that their political careers are over, my cynical response would be, "Hey, I'd take that." They have the cash, they will probably retain their elected office pension, and some corporation or lobbying organization will hire them because that's exactly the kind of person they want in their organization.

I sincerely hope that I am so stupidly wrong.

Just read Feinstein was another who did this. 
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« Reply #693 on: March 20, 2020, 12:07:21 pm »

I think it is inevitable, and just like in Italy, that is when people will start to take this seriously enough to self-isolate, especially without a clear plan that explains exactly how long this will last. 

With that said, I think the real limit here is two, possibly three, months.  Since this only kills the elderly and those with other conditions, that is the real limit for everyone else to become numb to death to the point where they just move on.  It be different if healthy people were being killed here. 

This is just how I feel most will react to this.

Are you really so ignorant as to believe this? My granddaughter had this virus. She's 20 and in good health. She was taken to the hospital by ambulance because she was having dificulty breathing. Fortunately it was early in the cycle where she lives, and the hospital was not overwhelmed. Had it been a few weeks later, there's no guarantee at all that she would have survived.

I've read pages and pages of you talking about beng "rational" and telling us what people won't do, and that government should make plans with that in mind. Other than creating internment camps for old and vulnerable people (a spectacularly stupid or cruel idea that puts the most vulnerable people in close proximity to one another where they wil be even more vulnerable to transmission of the disease if isolation is not perfect—and not even you could be naieve enough to believe that isolation will be perfect) I can't recall any suggestion you've made that would serve any useful purpose at all.
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« Reply #694 on: March 20, 2020, 12:13:44 pm »

Are you really so ignorant as to believe this? My granddaughter had this virus. She's 20 and in good health. She was taken to the hospital by ambulance because she was having dificulty breathing. Fortunately it was early in the cycle where she lives, and the hospital was not overwhelmed. Had it been a few weeks later, there's no guarantee at all that she would have survived.

I've read pages and pages of you talking about beng "rational" and telling us what people won't do, and that government should make plans with that in mind. Other than creating internment camps for old and vulnerable people (a spectacularly stupid or cruel idea that puts the most vulnerable people in close proximity to one another where they wil be even more vulnerable to transmission of the disease if isolation is not perfect—and not even you could be naieve enough to believe that isolation will be perfect) I can't recall any suggestion you've made that would serve any useful purpose at all.

I'm just going by reports out of Italy, specifically the 99% of those who succumb to the disease had other issues or are elderly.  From a statistical point of view, the less than 1% being healthy and young are outliers. 

Over 99% of coronavirus patients in Italy who died had other health problems

I am still going to look at this logically and from a statistical point of view.  With the sole exception of my wife contracting and succumbing to this, my response is not going to be emotional.  As I noted before, I dont believe in allowing emotions to dictate thought when looking at a problem, nor does it help in anyway. 

Sorry for your granddaughter; good to hear she recovered. 

Furthermore, the suggestion of isolating those at risk was not mine, I merely thought it could be a good idea.  On top of that, no where did I suggest it should be mandatory.  Second, I also believed I mentioned increasing services for those at risk, which could be (but I did not list) delivery of food and other essentials to their homes. 
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« Reply #695 on: March 20, 2020, 12:15:02 pm »

Tucker Carlson of FOX News went after Senator Burr last night calling for his resignation and requesting prosecution for insider trading.  Here is one web link among many:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/20/coronavirus-tucker-carlson-burr/

Resignation is one thing, prosecution for insider trading may be another.  U.S. laws and federal agency regulations regarding insider trading are complex, and I'm certainly no expert on them, but in general to be in violation an investor needs to be acting on "inside information" from a specific company or companies—i.e., from a source with access to company-confidential information.  Acting on a government briefing about an external event that could have broad consequences for the economy probably would be insufficient to sustain a prosecution.

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« Reply #696 on: March 20, 2020, 12:18:40 pm »

Oh god no, not Slobodan? This site would not be the same without him and all the rest of you, so I really do hope he hasn't got the damn virus and he fully recovers from whatever it is that he has got.

Be safe everyone, stay indoors and self isolate if you can and follow whatever advice is being broadcast to you.

These are dark days indeed  >:(

Dave

I pm’d him yesterday for this very reason.  No response yet, but his profile showed he was active yesterday IIRC.  Like you I hope all is ok.
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« Reply #697 on: March 20, 2020, 12:20:42 pm »

About the Italian situation, it's possible that the virus was circulating there before it was even recognized as a serious threat in China. I read a report yesterday in which an Italian epidemiologist said they had several reports of an unusual and intractable pneumonia in the Milan region back as far as November, affecting mostly elderly people. Milan is a big fashion center, with many of the fashions coming out of there fabricated in China. I wonder if the virus was circulating there mostly unseen, or perhaps mistaken for the flu, long before the problem exploded?

We’ll know for sure when a certain someone starts ranting about “the ITALIAN virus.”   What?  Whadya mean that will never happen???
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« Reply #698 on: March 20, 2020, 12:23:10 pm »

We’ll know for sure when a certain someone starts ranting about “the ITALIAN virus.”   What?  Whadya mean that will never happen???

Let's hope to God not.  The media has already done enough damage branding it the Chinese Virus. 

Media Called Coronavirus "Wuhan" Or "Chinese Coronavirus" Dozens Of Times

And it so great to see so many start to give into Chinese Communist propaganda here, since, you know, it was China who declared this was racist in trying to deflect responsibility. 
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« Reply #699 on: March 20, 2020, 12:25:23 pm »

Are you really so ignorant as to believe this? My granddaughter had this virus. She's 20 and in good health. She was taken to the hospital by ambulance because she was having dificulty breathing. Fortunately it was early in the cycle where she lives, and the hospital was not overwhelmed. Had it been a few weeks later, there's no guarantee at all that she would have survived.

I’m sorry to hear this, but glad she is recovering.  One of my closest friends, late 40s (Normal health, non smoker), was admitted last Thursday and was unresponsive and on life support by Friday night.  Recovering now, but it was very iffy. 
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