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Re: archival properties - paper ink permanence info
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2014, 03:06:57 pm »

Read ALL of it Frank: there is a stated condition which brings it down to 70 years - so how conservative do you want to be? (The dark storage characteristic is phenomenal). Now this is for HP inks, and there is contention that the HP inks have particularly high archival properties. Higher than Epson?? Perhaps in Yellow??

Now of substantial interest - the final column - they're saying no OBAs in this paper, but Mr. Dinkla and Mr. McCormack-Goodhart have said there are.
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« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2014, 03:18:51 pm »

granted it is with hp inks, so we can knock off a good % of years cos they may be more archival, but it would still appear to beat out the other 2 papers in any column (glass, no glass, dark etc) no?
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« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2014, 03:23:37 pm »

Alan, would you be willing to ask what he has found out about the EEF. And what longevity/permanence rating he tells his buyers?
He doesn't mention anything about this and I don't think the gallery posts anything.  Most people who buy prints don't seem to care (this is my experience as well but I don't sell a lot of stuff).  I know that the "old" IGFS seems to be pretty stable.  I have a dozen or so prints hanging in my former office where they are subjected to pretty harsh lighting.  I go back every six months or so and the colors still seem to be holding up well.  Same with some prints hanging in several other offices in the area.  Epson 3880 prints.
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Re: archival properties - paper ink permanence info
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2014, 06:21:23 pm »

Guestimates, not scientific - epson 3880 printer

canson baryta photographique  = 45+ years
reference - http://www.wilhelm-research.com/Canson/WIR_Canson_2012_02_20.pdf

ilford gold fiber silk - 200 yrs & knock off 100 for good measure = 100 years
reference (only hp printer results found, hence halving the result) - http://www.wilhelm-research.com/Ilford/Ilford.html

EEF (epson exhibition fiber) = 90 years
http://www.wilhelm-research.com/epson/WIR_Ep3880_2010_04_14.pdf

Do you concur ?
(additional info welcomed)


I know it's tempting to want to give the customer guidance on how long a print will last.  How gracefully it ages over time not how long it lasts in total is really the right question to be asking. Not to be cynical, but even cheap litho inks on acid-choked newspaper stock can "last" over a century if people take proper care of it and are willing to accept some noticeable changes over time. Therefore, "years on display" to reach "easily noticeable fading" is a pretty elastic way to rate print durability.  Indeed, I think it is a regrettable error that the industry ever attempted to rate print durability (resistance to light, heat, humidity, gas induced deterioration, etc.) on a longevity time scale because the predicted outcome requires an underlying set of assumptions about "standardized environmental conditions" and a complex set of criteria for determining the amount of "noticeable fade" that the typical customer never bothers to understand. Without that understanding, the ratings tend to be "feel good" ratings at best and downright misleading at worst.  The failure criteria may or may not be acceptable for the intended use of the print (e.g., irreplaceable artwork versus reprintable consumer photo, etc). And even if you agree with the failure criteria, the reality is that the typical home has within its interior rooms where prints are stored or displayed a myriad of different chemically and physically reactive environments.  Although most of them are usually well within the "human comfort range" their actual variability can have a profound influence on the rates of deterioration. So, for example, a client can buy two copies of a lovely portrait of one or more family members, frame them identically, hang one in a bedroom, and the other in the family room. In a decade one may well be in very poor condition while the other shows little or no change. Interior light levels alone can vary by three orders of magnitude for prints on display in different parts of the home, thus causing one to experience light induced damage over a hundred times faster in one location compared to another.  A one hundred year industry rated print can therefore accrue that "100 years of standardized exposure" in merely one year if the customer chooses the display location unwisely. I'm just sayin... ;)

All that said, here's some technical information that can help you at least with the light fade resistance of the IGFS, CIBP, and EEF media using Ultrachrome K3 inks. Although I haven't tested all of these combinations specifically, we can reasonably infer from what has been tested since the magenta versus vivid magenta differences between the 3800, 3880, and other Epson printers are no where near the limiting factor in any of these ink/media combinations.  For EEF it's the poorly performing media white point performance, and for CIPB and IGFS it's fading of the yellow pigment, especially in light skin tone colors that are made primarily by blending yellow with magenta ink droplets to form the desired skin tone hue and chroma.

EEF: approximately 25-50 megalux hours of light exposure where the print will remain in excellent condition (i.e. little or not noticeable changes). Using the WIR light level and duration assumptions this period of excellence will last for 12-25 years on continuous display when framed under acrylic glazing. Standard acrylic glazing has somewhat more UV blocking ability than ordinary glass but not as much as "museum" conservation glazing. However, museum glass will shut down the OBA fluorescence, especially in the Exhibition Fiber paper which has high OBA content, so standard acrylic glazing is a reasonable compromise.  The limiting factor at 25 Mlux hours  for the EEF is loss of the media's pristine cool-white appearance due to yellowing of the coating.  By 50Mlux hours any media white and bright highlight areas of a print are now more noticeably changing and the yellow ink is is also beginning to fade such that measurable changes are beginning to accrue (but still not too noticeable) to a large variety of colors and tones in the image not just the paper white areas. Note that fading of the UC yellow pigment is significant not just for yellow colors but also for those created by blends of the yellow ink with the other inks (e.g., when making light skin tone colors that are especially important in many color photographs).

CIBP and IGFS: 60-90 Megalux hours -  30-45 years using WIR environmental assumptions, but again denoting a period of excellence, thus little or no noticeable fade,(i.e., the Aardenburg visual criteria set) rather than easily noticeable fade (i.e., the WIR visual criteria set), as the visual experience likely to be observed over that time period.

The CIPB and IGFS coating chemistry has been essentially the same for both products since they were first introduced, only the underlying base sheet is different apparently, which is why they perform the same in testing when the chosen printer and inks sets are also the same. That IGFS has been "born again" recently warrants some caution that its print durability properties may be different now, but my optimistic guess is that it will probably perform comparably to the older version if it ever gets retested.

Lastly, B&W printing with Epson K3 pigment printers will generally always outperform full color images in light fastness because the majority of the ink being laid down is the photo gray inks which are more lightfast than the other color pigments, again as noted here and by others, the yellow Ultrachrome pigment being the weakest link.

I hope that helps.

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Mark
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Re: archival properties - paper ink permanence info
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2014, 07:26:47 pm »

Mark,
Wow!
Much or most of this is beyond me.
But it does kinda make sense, and is indeed helpful to get a broad picture of all the variables involved, and the impossible task it is to give definitive 'permanence' measurements/numbers.
Point taken.
The 'light fade resistance' or 'visually noticeable fade' observation seems the best way to quantify,  as you have done here.
To a layman who doesn't even know what a megalux hour is, it seems reasonable to extract from your 'treatise' above, that Canson Baryta Photographique and Ilford Gold Fiber Silk significantly best EEF.
And while most things are equal between these two, the IGFS has an added disadvantage of the yellows fading 'prematurely'. Or is that purely a function of the epson inks, and will thus be the same with Canson baryta photographique. Canson is apparently minimally warmer.
Do I understand you correctly.
Frank
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Re: archival properties - paper ink permanence info
« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2014, 12:18:05 am »


And while most things are equal between these two, the IGFS has an added disadvantage of the yellows fading 'prematurely'. Or is that purely a function of the epson inks, and will thus be the same with Canson baryta photographique. Canson is apparently minimally warmer.
Do I understand you correctly.
Frank


Oops, I made a mistake and got the megalux hour rating jumbled with the years of display prediction when talking about it in the discussion. I have now corrected that section in my earlier post, so that it now reads correctly. I had written: "The limiting factor at 12 Mlux hours  for the EEF is loss of the media's pristine cool-white appearance due to yellowing of the coating.  By 25Mlux hours...  The sentence should have read: The limiting factor at 25 Mlux hours  for the EEF is loss of the media's pristine cool-white appearance due to yellowing of the coating.  By 50Mlux hours...  This is probably what confused you. My bad.

As far as the inks go, the yellow is the most fade prone pigment in the Epson UC K3 ink set essentially on every media, but it fades faster on some media than others. The EEF coating chemistry is actually very compatible with the K3 ink (one reason that EEF gets such a high score in the WIR testing methodology). Also, the rapid OBA burnout in EEF which imparts a yellowish shift to the media color tends to offset the tendency of highlight skin tones,etc. to shift towards blue as the yellow pigment fades, but the Aardenburg testing methodology nevertheless correctly flags the OBA burnout in the EEF as more of a problem in the early stages of aging, hence the lower overall rating for EEF compared to other papers like CIPB and IFGS.  
 
To elaborate further, The EEF's OBA burnout issue is what triggers the lower limit at 25 Mlux hours, but by 50mlux hours the media color is now further yellowed and may be more easily noticed depending on the image content, and the yellow ink has now faded enough that the yellowing of the media is no longer compensating the yellow pigment fade as it did in the earlier stages of aging. Think of this system behavior as two distinct failure mechanisms where they initially offset each other visually but eventually all the color blends finally shift enough to trigger the upper Aardenburg visual limit at 50 megalux hours accumulated exposure. BTW, the lower Aardenburg limit tracks the performance of the worst 10 percent of the color patches, while the upper limit tracks the fading of all the color patches on average. The rationale for this is that the observation of fading is also image content dependent.  Not all prints use the same color pigments equally, so a print with dominant areas of poorer performing color blends is going to be noticed before one that has dominant colors comprised of more stable color blends. The superior light fade resistance of Epson ABW mode printing compared to full color print mode is a classic example of the impact of the image content, i.e., what colors and tones are present, on the viewer's perception of fading.

The CIPB and the IGFS have much less OBA in the coating layer compared to EEF and thus less OBA burnout than the EEF. The EEF paper also has an additional paper yellowing problem that goes beyond what can be explained solely by OBA fading. It manifests as a serious problem at higher exposure doses.  You can see this additional yellowing phenomenon by looking at the full Aardenburg reports for EEF that have been carried out to over 100 megalux hours of accumulated light exposure.  EEF truly doesn't deserve the high score it receives in the WIR testing.  IMHO, Epson should pull EEF from the "Signature Worthy" line, but it's understandable why Epson isn't under any customer pressure to do so. Customers love the initial cool bright white appearance of EEF, but the loss of this key property will typically take a decade or more to become apparent at many commonly encountered interior light levels, so EEF hasn't been deployed in the real world enough for customers to become well aware of the issue at this time. A good case for why accelerated laboratory testing is useful.

Because the CIPB ad IGFS don't have the same tendency to yellow as strongly as the EEF the Epson 3880/CIPB or 3880/IGFS combinations remain in better condition than EEF for those first 50 Mlux hours of exposure and won't begin to trigger the Aardenburg fading limits until approximately 60 Mlux hours of accumulated exposure. By 90Mlux hours exposure the fading of the yellow colorant is once again bringing just noticeable changes to the print quality. Continue exposing the UC K3 inks and media further and the fading just keeps getting more pronounced until at even higher exposure doses everyone will easily notice that Epson UC yellow pigment is causing a color balance shift in the purplish-blue direction.

So, to your original question - how long will a print made with UC K3 inks last?  It does significantly depend on the media choice and just as important, it depends on one's personal tolerance for paper yellowing and somewhat purplish blue skin tones in particular. And it hugely depends on the customer's choice of display environment!!!!.  If a print has strong sentimental value, many consumers will keep astonishingly faded prints on the wall. So, light fastness ratings expressed in years are indeed quite elastic.. tell the customer what he or she wants to hear and under some real world circumstances the claim will probably be entirely valid. However, by expressing the light fade resistance in exposure units (megalux hours) and when the allowable fade is confined only to the period of excellence where fading can be measured with instrumentation but little or no noticeable fading can be yet perceived, then the ratings can become  a true "apple-to-apples" comparison.  As stringent as the Aardenburg test methodology is compared to other testing methods, the fact that some systems get scores in excess of 100 megalux hours is testimony to the fact that there are some impressive products out there in the market today.  One just has to identify them and use them :)

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Mark
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Re: archival properties - paper ink permanence info
« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2014, 05:38:23 am »

As stringent as the Aardenburg test methodology is compared to other testing methods, the fact that some systems get scores in excess of 100 megalux hours is testimony to the fact that there are some impressive products out there in the market today.  One just has to identify them and use them :)

best,
Mark

Mark, the work you do is remarkable and is extremely important for us. We use it a lot when photographers want to use a paper with high OBA content, or when they are thinking of doing a C-print. One of the prints that we've made were just sold on an auction in London for more than £16,000. If we had printed this on a paper that will fade in less than 25 years, that would undermine the trust in the photographic medium as collectables.
We have sponsored you in the past, and hope to do so in the future as well. I hope that other photographers will do the same.

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Re: archival properties - paper ink permanence info
« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2014, 08:44:46 am »

"some systems get scores in excess of 100 megalux hours"
? which ?

Incredible depth of knowledge. Thank you for taking the time and trouble. Unfortunately, it's mostly over my head (not too smart I guess).

After reading the posts, I don't think that I'm a whole lot closer to being able to tell a recipient of my print/s (on any of the 3 mentioned papers) how long it'll last before fading or col shifting. The environmental conditions and the ink/paper and print content issues are just too variable.
Sadly it seems I can't guarantee the print permanence for more than a handful of years. And makes me think I should quit and just send images to a lab for chromira c-prints.

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« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2014, 08:47:00 am »

Mark, the work you do is remarkable and is extremely important for us. We use it a lot when photographers want to use a paper with high OBA content, or when they are thinking of doing a C-print. One of the prints that we've made were just sold on an auction in London for more than £16,000. If we had printed this on a paper that will fade in less than 25 years, that would undermine the trust in the photographic medium as collectables.
We have sponsored you in the past, and hope to do so in the future as well. I hope that other photographers will do the same.

Best

Stefan
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I agree totally Stefan. I don't have a commercial interest in longevity, but a strong personal interest in it for the sake of the quality of the art and science of photography, and I have been a supporter too. I also believe there should be credible alternatives to the commercial service Wilhelm-Imaging provides - nothing against Wilhelm - but only because monopolies in just about anything are in no-one's long term interest for all kinds of reasons.
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Re: archival properties - paper ink permanence info
« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2014, 08:51:10 am »

"some systems get scores in excess of 100 megalux hours"
? which ?

Incredible depth of knowledge. Thank you for taking the time and trouble. Unfortunately, it's mostly over my head (not too smart I guess).

After reading the posts, I don't think that I'm a whole lot closer to being able to tell a recipient of my print/s (on any of the 3 mentioned papers) how long it'll last before fading or col shifting. The environmental conditions and the ink/paper and print content issues are just too variable.
Sadly it seems I can't guarantee the print permanence for more than a handful of years. And makes me think I should quit and just send images to a lab for chromira c-prints.



And what is the longevity of Chromira-C prints?

I think you are vastly exaggerating the problem. I don't see anything in the published data for IGFS that would prevent you from advising your clients that the prints are highly likely to be "pretty safe" from light fading and other kinds of deterioration for AT LEAST 70 years if they take proper care of the environment in which they are exhibited, and under dark storage where gazillions of prints sit, far, far longer. Much about safety and credibility depends on the language you use, quite apart from the science.
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« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2014, 08:59:42 am »

Mark, the work you do is remarkable and is extremely important for us. We use it a lot when photographers want to use a paper with high OBA content, or when they are thinking of doing a C-print. One of the prints that we've made were just sold on an auction in London for more than £16,000. If we had printed this on a paper that will fade in less than 25 years, that would undermine the trust in the photographic medium as collectables.
We have sponsored you in the past, and hope to do so in the future as well. I hope that other photographers will do the same.

Best

Stefan
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Thank you Stefan for the kind words and for your past participation and support. There are several forum members on LULA who have indeed been very supportive of this work over the past several years. You know who you are!

I'm very personally satisfied that the Aardenburg digital print research program has been a strong technical success and broke some new ground in the field of print permanence research, but the financial support it received over the years was nowhere near what was necessary to keep it going.  I've pretty much stopped testing these days. I will add a few new printer/ink/media combinations from time to time for systems I'm personally interested in using, but my goal of creating a crowd-sourced testing program independently supported by the printmaking community and not the manufacturers was wishful thinking on my part.  In a way, I blame google :D  I never found an audience, and an audience never found me.

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« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2014, 09:14:50 am »

I ship prints rolled in mailing tubes along with a note about framing (use archival materials) and optimal display conditions.  "This photograph has been printed with Epson pigment inks on one of the finest inkjet papers available.  It will give many years of viewing pleasure if handled with care.  Take care when handling the photograph and do not touch the image with your fingers.  If the photography was shipped rolled, some curl of the paper is to be expected following shipment but putting a weight on each end of the paper (over the cover sheet) for a day or two should straighten it out.  Alternatively, you can roll it in the opposite direction that it arrived in taking care to keep the cover sheet over the image.  Tape a piece of paper around it to keep it rolled and unroll it after 24 hours; it should lie reasonably flat.  If you elect to have the picture framed instruct the framer to use archival mat board and not to dry mount the photograph as the temperatures used in that process may result in damage.  When hanging the print, take care to avoid areas where there will be direct exposure to sunlight as fading may result."

Arguably, I don't need to provide a 'warning' about dry mounting but it's been my experience that it's often done with too high a temperature and I won't routinely recommend it.  I don't print larger than 17x25 so traditional Mylar photocorners or hinge tape will hold a print flat with an overmat.  I've gotten some nice comments back from friends/customers who said their framer was grateful for the suggestions.
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« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2014, 09:21:21 am »

Mark,
I'm sorry to hear that your venture isn't taking off.
 If I may throw in my 2c.
What you offer and how the info is disseminated is probably way ahead of the crowd.
What I mean is that only 'experts' like Mark (Segal) and Stefan and Ernst etc really get it.
But in the inkjet printing community the majority of users are probably more like me - ignorant in these matters.
And we look for easily digestible answers.
Sincerely,
Frank
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« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2014, 09:32:45 am »

Impressive photogfraphy Frank, and thanks for sharing.

To be clear, I am not an expert in print longevity - I just imbibe and try to apply practical common sense to what I learn.
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« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2014, 09:42:21 am »

"some systems get scores in excess of 100 megalux hours"
? which ?

Sadly it seems I can't guarantee the print permanence for more than a handful of years. And makes me think I should quit and just send images to a lab for chromira c-prints.



Frank, it was not my intention to discourage you. The CIPB and IGFS are pretty solid performers with Epson UC inks, the EEF not so much, but with greater awareness of light levels even EEF can last a long time as well.  I think the smart thing you can do for your customers who care about these matters is to avoid the EEF and simply to say that the prints you make on the CIPB (the new IGFS is potentially an unknown) will be fade resistant for many decades to come provided that the customer frames them and displays them in a location where direct sunlight never reaches them, ie. out of direct line of sight between a window and the sun.  One of the data logger environmental studies I did that was really sobering was when I was monitoring a print that was getting struck by sunlight only six minutes per day on average. My perception was that the print was not in harms way (I was unaware of those six minutes occurring daily), but the data logger integration proved that this 6 minutes per day dose was reaching over 40,000 lux intensity and thus over half of all incident light exposure on the print throughout the course of the year was occurring in that six minutes per day of sun strike. Fading of that print could be cut in half (thus functional "life" of the print doubled) merely by moving the print over a few feet on the wall within the same room.  Winter in my Massachusetts climate is also worse than the summer because the leaves on the trees in the summertime help to keep the sunlight coming through the windows at bay.

all the best, and keep on printing your own work! BTW, you are a real artist with a camera. I truly admire the images on your website.

Mark
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« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2014, 09:52:31 am »

Mark,
I'm sorry to hear that your venture isn't taking off.
 If I may throw in my 2c.
What you offer and how the info is disseminated is probably way ahead of the crowd.
What I mean is that only 'experts' like Mark (Segal) and Stefan and Ernst etc really get it.
But in the inkjet printing community the majority of users are probably more like me - ignorant in these matters.
And we look for easily digestible answers.
Sincerely,
Frank
(I offer my website to indicate that although ignorant in these matters, I have been photographing for a long time and am not totally clueless www.frankgross.com)
But you can look at the patch tests and see which colors fade quickly; this does not require any sophisticated knowledge other than using your eyes.  It's always striking when looking at Epson inks how poorly the Yellow performs over time.
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« Reply #36 on: November 22, 2014, 09:56:54 am »

But you can look at the patch tests and see which colors fade quickly; this does not require any sophisticated knowledge other than using your eyes.  It's always striking when looking at Epson inks how poorly the Yellow performs over time.

How much time Alan? I have many Epson inkjet prints made 10 to 15 years ago that show no signs of yellow fading.
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« Reply #37 on: November 22, 2014, 10:43:01 am »


What you offer and how the info is disseminated is probably way ahead of the crowd.
What I mean is that only 'experts' like Mark (Segal) and Stefan and Ernst etc really get it.
But in the inkjet printing community the majority of users are probably more like me - ignorant in these matters.
And we look for easily digestible answers.


I don't disagree with your assessment. However, my original hypothesis was that there are many knowledgeable printmakers and other industry experts (those that fully understand color management, CIELAB colorimetry, etc.) and who care about archival print materials. Let them be the first line of information dissemination and then let them distill the more technical info down to practical advice for photographers and artists who don't want to know or have the time to absorb all the details. You are witnessing that distillation process going on right here in this forum thread, where the AaI&A test reports have been studied closely by some folks here on LULA, and they are then sharing their conclusions and interpretations of the research with you.

I still believe that worldwide there are thousands of these industry influencers out there who can benefit from the higher level reportage offered in the AaI&A reports and other technical articles. I just didn't connect with enough of them, and Google doesn't point them in my direction very well because AaI&A is more of a scholarly research site not one with commercial ties to the industry that google exploits to generate its ad revenue.

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Mark
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« Reply #38 on: November 22, 2014, 11:15:02 am »

Mark,
You are right.
When you break it down like that it works.
A hierarchical system of distilling the information makes total sense.
By the time it hits the ground I just want a simple table with this +that=the result :-)
I agree about google and their interests, but to take the above point a little further then those in the 'in between stages of the pyramid' also must accept some responsibility for not getting it out to the masses, no?
I certainly appreciate what you and the others have done here - I want to acknowledge and thank everyone that has contributed to this thread.
And thanks for the compliments
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« Reply #39 on: November 22, 2014, 11:52:06 am »

How much time Alan? I have many Epson inkjet prints made 10 to 15 years ago that show no signs of yellow fading.
Quote it depends on the paper.  I have some prints hanging up in offices in this area that still look good after six years of fairly harsh lighting.  On Mark's tests you can see fading at 40 mlux hours with the light flesh tone patch.
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