After one of Gary's earlier posts where he went on and on about having the Fuji technicians over to his lab almost on a daily basis to fiddle with the color response, I'm wondering why he didn't just linearize the printer, nail down the chemistry line and then make a good custom profile of the Fuji, rather than spend so much time and effort to try and squeeze and force that device into something sort of resembled sRGB. I mean, for a self proclaimed color management expert, I would have thought this would be obvious. Hell, I was making my own custom Frontier profiles for my local Costco long before Dry Creek was around, and they worked so well, the counter people always asked how I got the color so good the first time through with no test prints.
What you are talking about is testing the chemistry against a densitometer to see if the paper is coming across with no cast. We would plot those values (what you call 'linearizing the printer). This is something that has to be done every couple of hours. It monitors the chemistry. OMG this is so funny how you just said, "rather than spend so much time and effort to try and squeeze and force that device into something sort of resembled sRGB" - THAT'S FUNNY! You are an expert on color, right? Is it possible to take an sRGB file and "squeeze and force that into something sort of resembled sRGB." So many color experts in one place giving so much accurate information here!
The Fuji people were there because my stock Frontier was too punchy. We literally had to program a channel to increase midrange detail in the color channels and density. This is as basic as brushing your teeth. The whole Fuji had to be modified before we could take on portrait work. That's why the engineers were there. To literally reprogram the channels. This is not something you could do if you didn't make the machine. Maybe you could, maybe you should contact Fuji and offer them your expertise in color.
The conversation that I had with Mr. Rodney was this - he had called Will Crockett a liar. I have the screen shots. It is this simple. I am in touch with the X-rite people. If Mr. Crockett is an X-rite member, then calling Mr. Crockett a liar (discrediting him) is actionable. What I said to Mr. Rodney was that if this is the case, I have offered to fund the litigation to bring this through to the end. To those of you who saw my passion in the Mr. Tang case, we not only won the case for Mr. Tang, but we also had the attorney bar disciplined.
It will then be Mr. Crockett to determine if he wants to pursue a case. If he does, I will fund it.
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does have a large audience, as you can see by the number of views or the number of subscriptions my channel has received since this started . The questions I addressed to regarding to the limited amount of influence some of these posters had for the photography world was directed to the posters, most of all Andrew Rodney. I made calls with a lot of the top people in the industry trying to find out who he was, of the few who knew him, the response was words like, "stubborn, dinosaur, argumentative" etc. So when I meant a limited audience, it was kind of referring to Mr. Rodney, who, as far as I can see, won't be teaching on a major platform convention for as far as I can see.
This community is uncohesive, because I have a lot of confused spectators writing me. The consensus is this, "all I see is confusion and fighting". I think the worst part of this thread was when I asked the group will the straight AdobeRGB be visibly better, and only one (relatively silent member) said, ok, I'll predict it will look better. None of you said that, and the AdobeRGB did win.
When someone decides to seek damages in court, it doesn't make them crazy. Or delusional. If they were they would get thrown out of court. We don't go in unless we know we'll win, and I haven't lost a case in 20 continuous years of litigation, including a federal jury trial. I do this because when I see civil laws being broken to the detriment of a friend, and the friend can't fund the defence, I do it.
I know we should probably close the thread. I have what I wanted, which is a voluminous "typed answer" to a question when I do my skypecasts on color management. We will be doing a series in why people are disappointed with either of the color spaces, and addressing the controversy by using examples here, mostly the heated ones.
In terms of my responses, in many times I should have counted to ten before typing. This is the threads I pulled. I said I thought a person was stupid, and that is how I respond to stupid people. This is not something I would say to someone's face if they were sensitive or fragile. But I would say it in person, to people who are, but think they're smart. It's not just me typing. I'd say these things to a person's face.
Lastly there were a huge number of eyeballs on the site, and subscriptions piked. If some of those people think that once they are in, they get to see people beating each other up, that won't happen. Our series of real-world file to output experiments are going to document what the camera retailing people will favor. And then interviews with my friends and colleagues, the world's top photographers, like Gary Gorman, Eric Meola, Brian Smith, Jay Meisel, Robert Evans on their workflows.
This thread has really given me a ton of insight as to how deep this divide is (even within this forum) so it's our next video project. It will be a short-lived one, because pro photographers are now fusioning into one camera, two roles (still/video) and for video, it's all sRGB (which I'll prove in another YouTube video).