Nikon has its Mark III

[Hans Kruse]

No you didn't Hans but if that were the case there'd be no point for images on any thread discussing cameras! I just appreciate the effort and nice images and make my own mind up on equipment based on how it suits me.

I don't agree on that. The pictures were posted without any context and reference to the discussion. But as you said, small jpg's does not show much about the equipment, so how could it help you make up your mind on equipment?

[mjrichardson]

We can agree to disagree Hans, they are images taken with a D810 in a post about the D810 and as Bernard is the only person so far to post images from the camera in the thread then they have merit, they are certainly more relevant than pictures taken with any other camera. At least they are decent shots, the amount of threads about other cameras with average shots is incredible. Maybe the secret is to not bother commenting on images you don't appreciate, accept that they have merit to the photographer who shot them and just move on? Failing that just do what you like, it's not life and death, it's a new camera.

Mat

[Lupin]

Bernard - where is that waterfall?

[Hans Kruse]

We can agree to disagree Hans, they are images taken with a D810 in a post about the D810 and as Bernard is the only person so far to post images from the camera in the thread then they have merit, they are certainly more relevant than pictures taken with any other camera. At least they are decent shots, the amount of threads about other cameras with average shots is incredible. Maybe the secret is to not bother commenting on images you don't appreciate, accept that they have merit to the photographer who shot them and just move on? Failing that just do what you like, it's not life and death, it's a new camera.

Mat

Hi Mat,

Please go back to my comments on Bernards pictures and tell what you feel is wrong with my feedback!

[mjrichardson]

Maybe it's your tone? Your feedback is relevant in that it relates to how you view the image although it's clear it doesn't relate to how Bernard views them as he processed them to his own taste. Feedback in general I think is warranted in posts where it's asked for, like in user critiques for example but elsewhere it's reasonable to expect that the image is how the photographer intends it to look, just my view of course.

 I think you questioning what relevance they have to the thread is the problem for me, you don't think they were worth posting because they could have been taken with any camera, but as Bernard explained, they were not meant to provide a comparison, he has a new camera and posted images from it in a thread about the camera, one where people have expressed interest in how it performs. Like I said, we can disagree, it really doesn't matter to me at all!

Mat

[BernardLanguillier]

Well, that was my point! Basically what I meant to say was that the images provided no value in the discussion although I didn't express it quite like that  

Hans,

Who is the OP here? According to the accepted web etiquette, you are not authorised to come an tell me what bring value to a discussion I started.

But since you asked, the stitch below is now visible in 15,000 pixel wide size at the following link: https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardlanguillier/14744788653/



Cheers,
Bernard

[Ray]

What i suspect might be happening here is that Bernard was initially undecided whether to get the D800 or D800E. He chose the D800, presumably on the basis that the D800E had only a marginal increase in resolution but also an increase in aliasing artifacts which he thought was more significant than the increase in resolution.

I think Bart has tested that the D800E has only a 1% increase in resolution, over the D800, after appropriate sharpening has been applied to the images from both cameras.

The disturbing issue about the D800E is that it has unnecessary AA filters, which cancel each other. The light signal from the lens is therefore passing through an unnecessary process which might degrade the signal to some extent, depending on quality-control variations.

Since the D810 has no AA filters at all, it's quite likely that on average, the D810 will have a greater than 1% increase in resolution, compared with the D800, in relation to Bart's methodology. In fact, if Bart had tested a few other copies of the D800E, he might have found that some of those copies had a greater-than-1% increase in resolution compared with the D800.

[Ray]

Bernard,
The most prominent feature in your panorama, which catches the eye, is the whitish tree trunk on the far right. It's out-of-focus. 

[BernardLanguillier]

Bernard,
The most prominent feature in your panorama, which catches the eye, is the whitish tree trunk on the far right. It's out-of-focus. 

Isn't that ironic?

Cheers,
Bernard

[Hans Kruse]

Hans,

Who is the OP here? According to the accepted web etiquette, you are not authorised to come an tell me what bring value to a discussion I started.

But since you asked, the stitch below is now visible in 15,000 pixel wide size at the following link: https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardlanguillier/14744788653/



Cheers,
Bernard

Let's be clear: I commented on your pictures and you gave a rather arrogant response. That's it. Again I'd like to know what you want to convey with your pano in this discussion about the D810. Are we supposed to look at the details that are sharp or the details that are not sharp? Regarding the sharpening on the details that are in focus they look good to me. But was it intentional to include the unsharp tree to the right?

[marimagen]

Well, let's refocus here (no pun intended) on the specificities of the D810. Is the 1-st curtain shutter a real improvement, that is, does it really help reduce vibration? Thanks in advance, Marie

[BernardLanguillier]

Let's be clear: I commented on your pictures and you gave a rather arrogant response. That's it. Again I'd like to know what you want to convey with your pano in this discussion about the D810. Are we supposed to look at the details that are sharp or the details that are not sharp? Regarding the sharpening on the details that are in focus they look good to me. But was it intentional to include the unsharp tree to the right?

Hans,

I am glad you understood the joke(s).

Cheers,
Bernard

[Hans Kruse]

Maybe it's your tone? Your feedback is relevant in that it relates to how you view the image although it's clear it doesn't relate to how Bernard views them as he processed them to his own taste. Feedback in general I think is warranted in posts where it's asked for, like in user critiques for example but elsewhere it's reasonable to expect that the image is how the photographer intends it to look, just my view of course.

 I think you questioning what relevance they have to the thread is the problem for me, you don't think they were worth posting because they could have been taken with any camera, but as Bernard explained, they were not meant to provide a comparison, he has a new camera and posted images from it in a thread about the camera, one where people have expressed interest in how it performs. Like I said, we can disagree, it really doesn't matter to me at all!

Mat

Mat, the following was exactly what I wrote as feedback. I did not say they could have been taken with any camera. I mentioned the D800! I mentioned the sharpening and mentioned which picture I felt was the best. What tone are you referring to here? Mine or yours? I see absolutely nothing in the following comment that was not reasonable feedback.

I'm glad to hear that you like the camera, but quite frankly these pictures could have come from the D800 with no visible difference, especially at the size they can be seen here. Your pictures are generally quite oversharpened in my view. E.g. this one https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardlanguillier/14736801243/in/set-72157645832791611/lightbox/ and several others. The best is this one https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardlanguillier/14736803513/in/set-72157645832791611/lightbox/ but still oversharpened. They look a bit harsh which is a pity. I'm still waiting for my D810  Smiley

[BernardLanguillier]

Bernard - where is that waterfall?

In Japan, Norikura Kougen.

Cheers,
Bernard

[BernardLanguillier]

Well, let's refocus here (no pun intended) on the specificities of the D810. Is the 1-st curtain shutter a real improvement, that is, does it really help reduce vibration? Thanks in advance, Marie

Hi Marie,

It clearly does reduce the perceived level of movement when exposure starts. Now I personally never experienced much of a negative impact without it on my D800.

Considering my view that the D810 resolves better fine details than the D800 it may be more critical on the D810. I am sure Lloyd will compare the sharpness with and without it. I'll personally probably always shoot with EFC when using MLU.

Cheers,
Bernard

[Lupin]

In Japan, Norikura Kougen.

Cheers,
Bernard

Ok, thanks. I thought it was Europe - Switzerland or Austria perhaps.

[mjrichardson]

Hans, I have already commented on your feedback and my views on feedback in general as well as your comments on the relevance of the images in the thread.

Mat

[BernardLanguillier]

DxO results for D810 are out. They basically confirm the findings of Lloyd. Best DR and at ISO64 by a comfortable margin.

http://www.dxomark.com/Reviews/Nikon-D810-sensor-review-New-DxOMark-leader/Nikon-D810-versus-Sony-A7R-versus-Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-D810-has-slight-advantage-over-nearest-rival

They don't assess resolution, so we'll have to wait till they test with the best lenses to figure out whether my eyes are misleading me or not.

Cheers,
Bernard

[marimagen]

Thank you Bernard for your feedback. Your comments are really important for people like me who are still debating whether to buy a(n other) D800/E or the new D810. Sure, we can always read the reports like the DXO one, but the input of "real-life" professionals is invaluable.

[Lupin]

The 810 has only half a stop more DR than the 800E - and it's less than half over the 800.

The 800E has the best Low ISO score of the three cameras.