Which skin tone is best? Four different profiles

[ErikKaffehr]

Hi,

I have posted four jpegs with four different profiles. It shows myself shot by a friend with my P45+.

http://echophoto.dnsalias.net/ekr/Articles/FakeProfiles/

Parameters: Hazy sunlight, early afternoon
WB on window frame to the left (painted white)

Profiles:

LR5.3RC (color checker passport, Adobe DNG Profile editor and QPcard, The DNG profile editor file is slightly tuned)

Capture One (Built in Outdoor daylight)

Honestly interested in everyones opinion.

Best regards
Erik

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

My opinion is that your friend forgot to take the lens cap off

[ErikKaffehr]

Thanks Slobodan,

It wasn't Pierre who left the lens cap on but me who forget to paste the link! Fixed

http://echophoto.dnsalias.net/ekr/Articles/FakeProfiles/

Best regards
Erik

My opinion is that your friend forgot to take the lens cap off

[bcooter]

My opinion is that your friend forgot to take the lens cap off

That's because they were too preoccupied buying lunch for camera makers.


BC

[ErikKaffehr]

Hi,

Not really, my friend is a long time Hasselblad owner. Actully he built his Hasselblad himself when he worked at the factory, but his "blad" is just collecting dust in the digital age. He was visiting me for a couple of hours in Sweden and we looked at a small exhibition I happened to have at a small place deep into the forrest.

I am really interested on the issue of profiles as I don't shoot folks as a rule. So skin for me is more like this:



or this



or this



Best regards
Erik

Just realised, it is not skin it is fur;-)

That's because they were too preoccupied buying lunch for camera makers.


BC

[eronald]

could you post a link to the raw, please?

Edmund

[ErikKaffehr]

Edmund,

Here it comes: http://echophoto.dnsalias.net/ekr/Articles/FakeProfiles/20130727-CF043589.iiq

Erik

could you post a link to the raw, please?

Edmund

[eronald]

Edmund,

Here it comes: http://echophoto.dnsalias.net/ekr/Articles/FakeProfiles/20130727-CF043589.iiq

Erik

Erik,

 Thank you!

Edmund

[fredjeang2]

Well here we go.

This is exactly the typical tech preocupation that has not an answer.

Wich skin tone is best? is like saying wich tone of blue is best...

Best, for what?

What do you want to express? what do you want to say? What's the story.
What's the desired psycho effect? what's the emotion?

The question Erik ask has no meaning by itself. It misses the intention

If you do not know the "for what", there is absolutly no chance to answer.
The 4 pics are all potentialy good or bad

So...people will opinate and bring their own corrected versions of the pic from the raw,
and the question will not be answered cause none of will be better or worse if there is not a direction to work to...

[Vladimirovich]

attempt = http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/17/fh7n.jpg

[eronald]

A young Dominican called Erik and a weathered Jesuit called Fred were together crossing St Peter's Square in front of the Bernini colonnade, heading to the Basilica.

And Erik turned to Fred and asked most respectfully:

-E: May I ask you about something I heard about Jesuits, Father
-F: What would that be, my son?
-E: Is it true that a Jesuit always answers a question with a question?
-F: And where did you hear this, my son?

Edmund

Well here we go.

This is exactly the typical tech preocupation that has not an answer.

Wich skin tone is best? is like saying wich tone of blue is best...

Best, for what?

What do you want to express? what do you want to say? What's the story.
What's the desired psycho effect?

The question Erik ask has no meaning by itself. It misses the intention

If you do not know the "for what", there is absolutly no chance to answer.
The 4 pics are all potentialy good or bad

[synn]

Well here we go.

This is exactly the typical tech preocupation that has not an answer.

Wich skin tone is best? is like saying wich tone of blue is best...

Best, for what?

What do you want to express? what do you want to say? What's the story.
What's the desired psycho effect? what's the emotion?

The question Erik ask has no meaning by itself. It misses the intention

If you do not know the "for what", there is absolutly no chance to answer.
The 4 pics are all potentialy good or bad

So...people will opinate and bring their own corrected versions of the pic from the raw,
and the question will not be answered cause none of will be better or worse if there is not a direction to work to...

+1

[Vladimirovich]

+1

-100500... trying to find out the answers to the questions that seemingly don't have 'em is good.

[fredjeang2]

-100500... trying to find out the answers to the questions that seemingly don't have 'em is good.

You like that sport? Ok, here is another one for the long winter nights

wich star in the milky way is best?

or

wich top model is best?

best luck

[Vladimirovich]

You like that sport?

when it is interesting for me, yes... and when it's not - I do not rain on somebody's else parade... so I am not going to question people in a proper forum discussing the stars in Milky Way, am I ?

[synn]

when it is interesting for me, yes... and when it's not - I do not rain on somebody's else parade... so I am not going to question people in a proper forum discussing the stars in Milky Way, am I ?

On a serious note,

All "Profiles" are starting points. You tweak them based on a person's ethnicity, the mood of the shot and the theme and so on.
You can't really pick a singular "Best" skintone profile; at least from the perspective of a fine art portrait shooter.

[Vladimirovich]

On a serious note,

All "Profiles" are starting points. You tweak them based on a person's ethnicity, the mood of the shot and the theme and so on.

as you understand not all profiles are created equal, more so when you are talking about Adobe vs C1 and "so on"

You can't really pick a singular "Best" skintone profile; at least from the perspective of a fine art portrait shooter.

the task at hand is more simple - help the topicstarter to find something that he likes (or may be help him to get rid of doubts in his original preferences) and that might as well be achieved by arguing about tastes  ... you don't like it ? move on...

[Ken R]

I prefer the Capture One, linear, daylight profile by far of all the ones you posted. It seems to be the best for color grading no question.

[synn]

the task at hand is more simple - help the topicstarter to find something that he likes (or may be help him to get rid of doubts in his original preferences)

How can one help someone else find something that is clearly subjective?

Google can probably help you find  the "Sharpest" lens ever, but it's useless at finding the "Best rendering" one. Same difference.

[Vladimirovich]

How can one help someone else find something that is clearly subjective?

placebo works sometimes when the issue is in somebody's mind