Digital Nikon FM2 on his way

[Chairman Bill]

Is this Luminous Landscape or the Curry Club? I think we should be told.

[bcooter]

So do you somehow think people from out of Queens have more fragile palettes then?

Yes they do.  The best pallets in the world.  (now let's fight.)

Kidding.   

Anyway, does where something is made matters.  This new Nikon makes a lot of points saying it's made in Japan with a stamp on the front cover.

Does that matter?

IMO

BC

[petermfiore]

Yes they do.  The best pallets in the world.  (now let's fight.)

Kidding.  

Anyway, does where something is made matters.  This new Nikon makes a lot of points saying it's made in Japan with a stamp on the front cover.

Does that matter?

IMO

BC

Toyotas are made in America and Japan. If you had to pick one, which would it be?

Peter

[Petrus]

Toyotas are made in America and Japan. If you had to pick one, which would it be?

Here in Finland we have compulsory car inspections for 3 and 5 year old cars, then every year after that. In a recent list of most reliable makes and models 3 best ones were picked from 8 age groups. Out of those 24 22 were Japanese, 12 were Toyota.

One of the reasons I drive a Land Cruiser (#1 in 3 year olds, #2 in 5 years, #3 in 7 years)...

Among the worst: Chrysler, Jeep... (and French brands)

[petermfiore]

I pick the one where the VIN starts with a J.

Peter

[TMARK]

I don't think it matters.  Reliability is more about production process, design and quility OEM parts than the nationality of the guy who bolts in an alternator.  Mexican and American made VWs are reliable and well screwed together, considering their price point. 

Toyotas are made in America and Japan. If you had to pick one, which would it be?

Peter

[TMARK]

Its all in design and price point.  For years Jeeps had old bones, dated chassis, crappy accessories such as power steering pumps and water pumps, really old fuel injection systems.  They were running out of cash for R&D and simply put new skins on old tech.  Nothing to do with their being built in Detroit or Ohio.

Here in Finland we have compulsory car inspections for 3 and 5 year old cars, then every year after that. In a recent list of most reliable makes and models 3 best ones were picked from 8 age groups. Out of those 24 22 were Japanese, 12 were Toyota.

One of the reasons I drive a Land Cruiser (#1 in 3 year olds, #2 in 5 years, #3 in 7 years)...

Among the worst: Chrysler, Jeep... (and French brands)

[TMARK]

LA is good for a big fast car with an auto box.  Better than a convert as you end up roasting in the sun when stuck in traffic.

All of this depends.  I have a bmw in London, my wife an Infiniti in Dallas, and a new buick GS (which is an opel).  they are are screwed together well, the Infiniti is the best built by at least 30% though the strongest car I have is an older Impala I've hot rodded to 400 hp that I drive in LA.  The Impala  is made out of old beer cans and styrofoam cups and is as low tech as you can get, but I drive the living crap out of that car and it never, ever, ever breaks, though the impala isn't complicated.   I dread to think what the would happen to our other cars if I drove them the same way I drive the Chevy.

Really, there aren't many bad anything anymore.   Cameras, cars, TV's all last a long time, much longer than people want to keep them as long as you service them well.

I have another chevy that is small and rodded up to 300hp though it has issues.   All involving the computer as it just hates it when you change anything.

The Phase backs I use and Contax are like my Impala.  They aren't fancy, not too smart, but since they are simple, you can beat them on a rock and they still work.




IMO

BC

[Isaac]

One of the advantages of being in California is that the Indian restaurants cater to the variety of Indian tastes.

Do you think that doesn't happen elsewhere then?

I think that isn't typical of the "...10,000 restaurants... the mainstay of British curry industry" being discussed as interest in the Digital Nikon FM2 evaporated.

[TMARK]

I'm still interested.  I will reserve judgment until I can handle one.  It is less cluttered in black.

Do you think that doesn't happen elsewhere then?

I think that isn't typical of the "...10,000 restaurants... the mainstay of British curry industry" being discussed as interest in the Digital Nikon FM2 evaporated.

[bcooter]

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I'm still interested.  I will reserve judgment until I can handle one.  It is less cluttered in black.

Yes it's less cutsey in black and I sorta want this camera, but I don't think I want it for the same price as a d800 and don't know if I want it more than an OMD em1

IMO

BC

[TMARK]

It's small and serious looking in black, with electrical tape over the NIKON logo, of course.  Who knows? 

Yes it's less cutsey in black and I sorta want this camera, but I don't think I want it for the same price as a d800 and don't know if I want it more than an OMD em1

IMO

BC

[bcooter]

It's small and serious looking in black, with electrical tape over the NIKON logo, of course.  Who knows? 

These fat little cameras kind of grow on me, like an 6x7 pentax, just smaller.

I do like the look of the cameras that look like cameras, but I wonder if it will tether?

The upside is, everybody has a bunch of old nikon glass laying around.

BC

[TMARK]

In some ways, I'm like, "of course I'll buy one.  What's not to love?" 

Then I look at the $2700 price tag, and wonder what the color is like, and what the VF is REALLY like, how big it feels and looks in the flesh, and how nice Fuji files look with minimal post, not to mention that I have an 800e that takes all my AI and AIs lenses sitting in a Peli case.  I'll have to look and handle it, and check out some more D4 files.

I looked on Flickr at D4 images and it is now my opinion that the camera makers should pay people to keep their pictures off of flickr, or at least strip out exif and any reference to camera type.  Hundreds of images of the same thing, really bad cat pics, the same boring landscape over and over, the "C" list Model Mayhem girls trying their best to look sexy but coming across as pathetic and sad, really bad post work. 

These fat little cameras kind of grow on me, like an 6x7 pentax, just smaller.

I do like the look of the cameras that look like cameras, but I wonder if it will tether?

The upside is, everybody has a bunch of old nikon glass laying around.

BC

[Telecaster]

Having eaten Indian food in Queens I took intense to mean "spectacular" rather than "hot" per se. Lots of restaurants and markets reflecting a wide variety of regional cuisines and ingredients. Very little catering to non-Indian palettes. As close to the real deal as you're likely to find in the US.

If the new Nikon does allow accurate focus of all those AI & AIS lenses (I've got some, like lots of folks) at wide apertures then they might have something. But I'll believe it when I see it for myself.

-Dave-

[PhotoEcosse]

Bugger!!

I just spilled a load of vindaloo over the lens of my Nikon Df while sitting in the back seat of my UK-built Range Rover (but built by an Indian owned company).

Not many folk outside Britain and the Empire know that Chicken Tikka Masala was developed in Birmingham (West Midlands, not Alabama).

[TMARK]

There is no Indian food in Birmingham, Alabama.  There is also no coffee.  A pretty (in spots) place that is miserable.

Can Tata make the Lux Rovers, which are the only onse sold in the US, reliable?  Can the Df allow manual focus of AI lenses?  Time will tell on both counts.

Bugger!!

I just spilled a load of vindaloo over the lens of my Nikon Df while sitting in the back seat of my UK-built Range Rover (but built by an Indian owned company).

Not many folk outside Britain and the Empire know that Chicken Tikka Masala was developed in Birmingham (West Midlands, not Alabama).

[bcooter]

I looked on Flickr at D4 images and it is now my opinion that the camera makers should .........

No the samples they should take off are on their own site and while all the camera companies are at it, stop sponsoring the orange skin tone portrait tour, or the guys in the LA alley doing a "professional" photo shoot with two c grade models and a flexible gold reflector.

Really.

IMO

BC

[TMARK]

That is what I meant by intense!

Anybody know what the D4 raw files are like for skin tones?

Having eaten Indian food in Queens I took intense to mean "spectacular" rather than "hot" per se. Lots of restaurants and markets reflecting a wide variety of regional cuisines and ingredients. Very little catering to non-Indian palettes. As close to the real deal as you're likely to find in the US.

If the new Nikon does allow accurate focus of all those AI & AIS lenses (I've got some, like lots of folks) at wide apertures then they might have something. But I'll believe it when I see it for myself.

-Dave-

[bcooter]

Anybody know what the D4 raw files are like for skin tones?

Orange, unless you make your own profile in iridient developer or suffer through that nick software.

Your looking for your leaf skin tones and that's not going to happen with Nikon, unless you roll your own.

BC