Digital Nikon FM2 on his way

[LKaven]

where did you get that users of D700 wantes old-school feel though ? instead of just sticking 16mp sensor and little better AF/frames per second in D700 body ?

Frequent forum fodder.  The D700, among some people, struck a purist vein, but could have gone further. 

The D700 was a long-lived camera I believe partly because its users were not those who wanted the very latest, but something that was a modern classic, tending towards the feels of the classic F/F2/F3 photojournalist cameras.  Notice that the Df does not have a model number. 

In the end, the camera might be neither fish nor fowl.  It's neither the new benchmark FX body, nor the retro purist's delight.  People will grouse, but will the camera flounder?  ;-)

[Telecaster]

I just haven't had great luck with Nikon color on sin tones.

Now there's a Freudian slip for ya!     Just what part of London are you actually hanging out in?

I like the way the D800 handles. It's not the right Big(ger) Camera for my wants & needs, but I'd get one before I'd get this new "retro" body.

-Dave-

[bcooter]

Now there's a Freudian slip for ya!     Just what part of London are you actually hanging out in?

I like the way the D800 handles. It's not the right Big(ger) Camera for my wants & needs, but I'd get one before I'd get this new "retro" body.

-Dave-

Your too fast Dave, though I did fix it.

yea I have a place in Shoreditch and I guess Sin Tones is the right phrase, or use to be before it morphed into hip.

[barryfitzgerald]

That might apply to the pro-level bodies used by sports & wildlife photographers. But for their SLR lines overall I don't buy it. I suspect Canikon has simply been caught flat-footed by the onrush of newer tech. Market leaders tend to become complacent. Then they often get dethroned. We'll see whether or not the latter happens in this case, but from where I stand the former has been evident for a couple years now.

-Dave-

That only adds up if Sony's SLT strategy was actually doing damage to Canikon. I think it's had no impact at all Sony are probably not selling any more SLT's than they did SLR's, in fact probably less.

If it's not working I can't see how it's something other makers would jump on. If Sony grabbed a good chunk of market share I might buy your view. Reality is their SLT diversion hasn't made any difference at all, probably for a few reasons.

EVF's are not desired by most buyers (many probably don't care either way)
They have not really built up the system as well as they should have (obvious missing lenses, and fairly high prices on some lenses)
New tech on it's own isn't always better (focus by wire is one obvious example inferior to manual mechanical focus)

We shall see what happens, but there is no chance Canikon would do EVF's on higher priced APS-C or FF bodies, Sony should have known they were onto a loser with the A99 in that regard.

Vladimirovich says he's not looking for highlight or shadow detaiils 
Erm ok yes you can see in very dim conditions with an EVF (gains up, gets noisy but you can see it) if that's any use I'm not that sure bar surveillance tasks!

[joneil]

I am one of those old "D700 farts" so take my post with the proverbial chunk of salt. 

What I wanted in a "new" or upgraded D700 was dual card slots  as I once accidently fried a card after removing it form a camera, so that is always nice, maybe 16mp instead of 12, and compatability with non-Ai lenses.   Otherwise, I am pretty happy with it.   I looked at and handled both the D800 and the D600 in person, and then I bought a refurbished D700 direct form Nikon and never, ever looked back or regretted my choice. 

Sometimes you don't need to reinvent the wheel, you just have to add a couple of small refinements.

I will look at the new DF when it comes out, but I can tell you right away, looking at the specs, a few things that turn me off:
1) Battery is different than the one used in the D800, D600/610 and the D7000/7100.   That is no good for me, I have a pile of batteries for my two D7000 bodies.   
2) Only one card slot.  And it looks hard to get at, under the battery cover.
3) No interchangeable screen.
4) Price, for me, is too high.  i was hoping for something closer to the D600/610 price range.   At this price, the D800 looks better everyday.

   The lack of flash/video does not bother me, but for some, i can see that might be a deterrent too.

[MrSmith]

 


 though I noticed the d800 again at David Phillips on Oxaford street in the pretty white Christmas window
IMO

BC

Nearly 20 years in London, never heard of a shop called David Phillips. Do you mean John Lewis?

[bcooter]

your right, sorry.  Too many late nights editing and writing between renders.

BC

[MrSmith]

You should have wondered up the road to Teamwork in Foley st and looked in their window, far more interesting thing to see there for a photographer (there is also a very good coffee shop in an underground public toilet called The Attendant)
I hope you are liking the lovely weather :-)

[bcooter]

You should have wondered up the road to Teamwork in Foley st and looked in their window, far more interesting thing to see there for a photographer (there is also a very good coffee shop in an underground public toilet called The Attendant)
I hope you are liking the lovely weather :-)

Like it here, though spend so much time in editing haven't seen much as we're in editorial for a european client and an american client, so I'm essentially working on two time zones.

Shoreditch is very interesting, the city is inspiring and regardless of the perception of English food, the dining is the most varied and best I've seen anywhere.

I'll take your advice, next time I'm let out of my cave.

IMO

BC

[MrSmith]

I know you are busy but when you have time check this site out http://spitalfieldslife.com/category/photo-life/  particularly the images shot by John Claridge. spent ages looking at this site and learned a lot about the area i work in (i currently use a studio in clerkenwell that was a prison then had a school built on top, they still hire the cells out for filming)
if you need any info on where to get stuff/services/people then do give me a shout.

[Telecaster]

Shoreditch is very interesting, the city is inspiring and regardless of the perception of English food, the dining is the most varied and best I've seen anywhere.

It's a shame how outdated perceptions tend to linger. I was blown away by the variety & quality of London dining in 1992, after not having been in the UK for nearly 20 years. Back in 1973, when I was a teenaged picky eater, the bangers & mash & Yorkshire Pudding era was still very much alive. By '92 it was: "Indian food, you say? We've got Bihari, Manipuri, Punjabi or Gujarati restaurants all within walking distance." Alrighty then!

-Dave-

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... "Indian food, you say? We've got Bihari, Manipuri, Punjabi or Gujarati restaurants all within walking distance." Alrighty then!

And how does that invalidates the (otherwise correct) perception about British food?

[TMARK]

Nothing wrong with bangers and mash.

It's a shame how outdated perceptions tend to linger. I was blown away by the variety & quality of London dining in 1992, after not having been in the UK for nearly 20 years. Back in 1973, when I was a teenaged picky eater, the bangers & mash & Yorkshire Pudding era was still very much alive. By '92 it was: "Indian food, you say? We've got Bihari, Manipuri, Punjabi or Gujarati restaurants all within walking distance." Alrighty then!

-Dave-

[RobSaecker]

It's a shame how outdated perceptions tend to linger. I was blown away by the variety & quality of London dining in 1992, after not having been in the UK for nearly 20 years. Back in 1973, when I was a teenaged picky eater, the bangers & mash & Yorkshire Pudding era was still very much alive. By '92 it was: "Indian food, you say? We've got Bihari, Manipuri, Punjabi or Gujarati restaurants all within walking distance." Alrighty then!

I spent a week hanging out with some Aussies in London, once upon a time. They had a flat in Brixton, and there was an outstanding Indian restaurant around the corner from their flat. I was on a tight budget, and it was too expensive to eat there more than once, but I still remember that meal. That was 1977.

[bcooter]

And how does that invalidates the (otherwise correct) perception about British food?

Perception and reality are 180 from each other.   Marin county that has more left swinging voters than any place in the U.S. has the lowest ethnic mix in the country, NY is not the only place to produce a beautiful photo and London food is damn good.

My wife who is British and raised in London has spent most of her adult life based in the U.S., though never asked or pushed me to be here, even though I love her family.

In Late August we had just finished a shoot here, I spent a few days doing edits, hung out with the in-laws and I looked around and said, I'm going to get a place here, saw two nice leases  and took the first one in Shoreditch in 24 hours.  Then bought a car, because I dig driving (I'd drive to the bathroom if I could fit the car in my place.)

I didn't know Shoreditch was hip, only spent 20 minutes here before we signed, but so far I love it (and I hate cold weather).  We still blow back to LA and Dallas and obviously still travel for work, but the food here is amazing.

In the first 10 days we've had Bombay, Italian, Mexican (twice), 1950's style restaurant fish and chips, some kind of upscale British at the Albrion (everybody has to try the Albion)  that is crazy good, one place that at Spitifileds (sp?) that has just insane everything from Moroccan meatballs, to burgers and real Texas BBQ at Hoxton Square, Japanese, Vietnamese (twice) all within a short walking distance to our place.

Other than the first few days of driving and being totally lethal and totally lost,  everybody has been great (except some banker in an Audi because I squeezed him into the bus lane), the services are professional and even the landlord is good  (I've never seen the last one).

The services I've used have been 100% professional, though honestly I spend so much time working I can't say I know anything about the city, other than I dig Guy Fawkes.   It's so cool to have a day of anarchy.

Of anyplace I've been this is the very best and varied food and I think I'm going to dig it, but I also get restless and love change, so maybe my euphoria will roll off.  I hope not.

IMO

BC

PS.  The more I look at the fm digital the more I like it.   I have absolutely no reason to buy it (other than to use my older nikon glass and pretend like it's 1988) but I think it's very cool and it will be a temptation not to buy, though the price is high enough that I could pass and get an omd em-1 (I think I got that right) instead.  Or I just might buy another em-5 to carry two lenses when I'm out.

[Telecaster]

And how does that invalidates the (otherwise correct) perception about British food?

Because the vast, diverse array of cuisines available in England now is British food. At least in my experience. My cousins whip up currys & other tasty Asian-influenced sauces to go with their fish, chicken or pork. Or they grill hamburgers. Or they make burritos. Etc. The stereotypical dishes merely hang on as one style out of many.

-Dave-

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Because the vast, diverse array of cuisines available in England now is British food...

Yeah, right. There is a profound difference between food in Britain and British food.

[Isaac]

The profound difference is that London has become a world city like NYC.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

The profound difference is that London has become a world city like NYC.

Yet nobody considers, say, Chinese or Ethiopian food to be American food.

[bcooter]

Yet nobody considers, say, Chinese or Ethiopian food to be American food.

Come on Slobodan,


Everything can be traced back to someone else.   Heck tomatoes and Chocolate go back before Christ from the Aztecs,  but tell someone in Italy or Belgium that it's not native to them.

But the real question is how many of the new Nikons are you going to buy?  I bet Dave doesn't he's having too much fun with the stuff he's got.

IMO

BC