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BJL

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Square format deserves its own thread
« Reply #80 on: October 27, 2013, 04:46:17 pm »

This square format discussion is getting way off topic, especially since neither it nor the Nikon Scottish Wilderness Camera are really about Compact System Cameras, so I invite you to join the discussion at
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=83480.msg674641#new
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Re: Digital Nikon FM2 on his way
« Reply #81 on: October 27, 2013, 10:51:28 pm »

Or practice with your camera, so you know how it works.  ;D

I have had some differences of opinion with wildlightphoto, but I seriously think you should have looked at his portfolio before posting this.
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Re: Digital Nikon FM2 on his way
« Reply #82 on: October 27, 2013, 10:58:14 pm »

Rather than write a lot more words, I'll just say that I agree with everything that Bernard has said on this subject.
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Re: Digital Nikon FM2 on his way
« Reply #83 on: October 28, 2013, 04:59:59 am »

I have had some differences of opinion with wildlightphoto, but I seriously think you should have looked at his portfolio before posting this.
Two things 1 - I can't as it's hidden, 2 - It's not actually relevant as it was in reply to wildlifephoto saying this.
And when one of the unwanted features is accidentally activated and the camera doesn't behave as expected I waste time and lose photo opportunities trying to figure out what feature was activated, how to disable it and how to prevent it from happening again.
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Re: Digital Nikon FM2 on his way
« Reply #84 on: October 28, 2013, 05:19:57 am »

Meanwhile, close to the pure photographic fire :

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Re: Digital Nikon FM2 on his way
« Reply #85 on: October 30, 2013, 05:06:19 am »

Meanwhile, in Edinburgh with a kinda depressed guy :



Look like the VF has good dimensions for a superb OVF. Lets see where it's going.
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Re: Digital Nikon FM2 on his way
« Reply #86 on: October 30, 2013, 05:30:07 am »

The pentaprism has a similar look to the F3HP, which might bode well. The lens is clearly an AF lens, so we're not looking at a manual focus set-up, and being a G series lens, no aperture ring, so we're either going to be left with the scroll wheels, or there needs to be a supplementary aperture ring around the throat of the lens mount if it's going to be delivering that 'retro' feel.

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Re: Digital Nikon FM2 on his way
« Reply #87 on: October 30, 2013, 05:36:21 am »

I think all the fuss about Manual Focussing is related to the View finder and not really on other physical controls.
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Re: Digital Nikon FM2 on his way
« Reply #88 on: October 30, 2013, 06:32:36 am »

The desire for a sensor that "fits" the image circle better is common (rectangular, hexagonal, circular, oversized rectangular…). It hinges on:
-Large/odd sensor sizes being economically viable (big question mark)
-The image circle being circular (I believe that many lenses block the light outside of normal sensor area to reduce glare, internally and externally)
-The mirror movement/PDAF-stuff allowing it (if DSLR)

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Re: Digital Nikon FM2 on his way
« Reply #89 on: October 30, 2013, 06:52:24 am »

I think all the fuss about Manual Focussing is related to the View finder and not really on other physical controls.

No doubt, but the issue of aperture setting remains. I don't see a scroll wheel like on my D700. If Nikon is going for a retro feel, and shutter & aperture setting is going to be part of that, I do wonder what system we'll get.

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Re: Digital Nikon FM2 on his way
« Reply #90 on: October 30, 2013, 08:33:08 am »

No doubt, but the issue of aperture setting remains. I don't see a scroll wheel like on my D700. If Nikon is going for a retro feel, and shutter & aperture setting is going to be part of that, I do wonder what system we'll get.

Body side aperture ring is likely I would think.

Or brain controlled. Press and think.

Now the hybrid VF is the key I think. The clarity of an OVF with the accuracy of a 100% sensor read out live view overlay would provide the ultimate UE.

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Re: Digital Nikon FM2 on his way
« Reply #91 on: October 30, 2013, 09:23:50 am »

The VF looks like it is big and beautiful, F4/F3hp big.

 
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Re: Digital Nikon FM2 on his way
« Reply #92 on: October 30, 2013, 11:04:24 am »

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Re: Digital Nikon FM2 on his way
« Reply #93 on: October 30, 2013, 01:28:12 pm »

I hope you fellas get the "analog" camera you want, but I think you could buy a used 5d2 and have as good if not better camera and the work would "still be in your hands".

IMO

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Re: Digital Nikon FM2 on his way
« Reply #94 on: October 30, 2013, 01:52:58 pm »

Cooter, I just want a larger viewfinder. I could care less about the analogue retro aspect. If the VF is not great, I will pass.
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« Reply #95 on: October 30, 2013, 02:08:28 pm »

Cooter, I just want a larger viewfinder. I could care less about the analogue retro aspect. If the VF is not great, I will pass.

Same for me.  I'd rather use a camera with fewer unwanted features but that's not a critical need.  The viewfinder is critical.
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Re: Digital Nikon FM2 on his way
« Reply #96 on: October 30, 2013, 02:09:47 pm »

I just want to point out, the VF on the F3 (at least the HP version which I have) is not that big, about the same as the D800.  For a big VF, think the Olympus OM-1.
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Re: Digital Nikon FM2 on his way
« Reply #97 on: October 30, 2013, 02:28:17 pm »

For a big VF, think the Olympus OM-1.

Or Leicaflex SL.
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Re: Digital Nikon FM2 on his way
« Reply #98 on: October 30, 2013, 02:28:21 pm »

Cooter, I just want a larger viewfinder. I could care less about the analogue retro aspect. If the VF is not great, I will pass.

Same for me.  I'd rather use a camera with fewer unwanted features but that's not a critical need.  The viewfinder is critical.

Hey T and Wildlight (is that your name Wild Light cause that's kind of cool, though I would have picked Flash Light, but still Wild Light is ok)

It's not the size of the viewfinder, it's that crazy ground plastic they use, to make everything look mostly in focus.

I know you've done this but at night, shoot a street sign to look out of focus.  You know where you can tell it's a sign but can't read it.

Through the lens you can read it, when you shoot it even if you stop down further than wide open, it will be blurred like crazy.

You have to go like 2 stops down to get the same effect you see in the ground plastic.

That's why manual focus is a bitch on these cameras.

Canon did make a replacement ground plastic that wouldn't do that for their earlier 1ds series, but they don't make it anymore.  It was a little darker but it worked and you could focus.

But hey, used digital backs are falling off the trees and used Contax are everywhere so they're is an answer for a real analog man like Wild Light.

The contax screen may be small (unless you use the wl finder) but it's bone accurate.

Personally I don't have any faith in any of these little cameras anymore.  I dig my mft 43 cameras and thought the Sony had promise until seeing those images on dee pee review and whoa, never seen so much painterly effect since the old kill the noise in a phase back software, circa 2003.   If those are representative of the new Sony,  it looks like Van Gough took up photography.

But the Leica S has a big viewfinder that works and a damn good ccd sensor, though it cost more than a J.P. Morgan SEC fine.  Same with the Pentax 645, and it just cost the price of a parking ticket in Manhattan.

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Re: Digital Nikon FM2 on his way
« Reply #99 on: October 30, 2013, 02:37:08 pm »

I think view via the viewfinder ground glass equates to around f2.8  [in Canons at least]. So with a 50mm f14 for example, I not only end up with a very different looking shot as DoF is so shallow, but focus can be way off too, if manually focusing. Shooting using Live view is a workaround for tripod work or using AF confirmation indicators in viewfinders
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