Topic: Franke & Heidecke became insovent (Read 188730 times)

Carsten W · « **Reply #180 on:** March 20, 2009, 03:45:30 pm »

Quote from: mosko

I don't think there is any chance of the Mamiya/Phase parternship boxing out Leaf as the newly announced Mamiya DL33 sports a Leaf Aptus II back.

http://www.mamiya.com/news-events-press-re...er-brother.html

This is another one of those weird things. Mamiya America Corporation (MAC) is also the distributor for Leaf, but not for Phase One backs. The DL33 is a MAC bundle, not a Mamiya Japan bundle. This must be a thorn in Phase's side, and perhaps also in Mamiya's.

Graham Mitchell · « **Reply #181 on:** March 20, 2009, 04:09:42 pm »

Quote from: mcfoto

If Phase was part of the Hy6 platform would Franke & Heidecke be in the position that they are today?

From everything I've read here, F&H was at full production capacity already. In fact I think EPd stated that they had recently put on more staff to increase production. So it doesn not seem that the Hy6 was in any way responsible for F&H's troubles. The F&H press release makes reference to old debts, but we don't know much more about that.

4ER5pKqRYaEbOcqv · « **Reply #182 on:** March 22, 2009, 03:02:30 pm »

When I think about the debts of a company that has grown smaller, I wonder about the pensions paid to former employees.

tho_mas · « **Reply #183 on:** June 11, 2009, 03:59:13 pm »

http://www.photoscala.de/Artikel/Ruht-stille-Franke-Heidecke
(German)

Google-Translation:
http://translate.google.de/translate?js=n&...history_state0=

:-(

Graham Mitchell · « **Reply #184 on:** June 11, 2009, 04:32:31 pm »

ouch, well let's see what happens next - perhaps the debt attached to F&H was just too much and a new company will be born to resume production. Well, I can hope can't I?

paulmoorestudio · « **Reply #185 on:** June 11, 2009, 04:36:39 pm »

Quote from: tho_mas

http://www.photoscala.de/Artikel/Ruht-stille-Franke-Heidecke
(German)

Google-Translation:
http://translate.google.de/translate?js=n&...history_state0=

:-(

send over the "O" team, they will make a silk purse from a cow's ear..there isn't a insolvency they can't fix, workers of the world, unite and own the companies.

jing q · « **Reply #186 on:** June 11, 2009, 04:43:11 pm »

Quote from: paulmoorestudio

send over the "O" team, they will make a silk purse from a cow's ear..there isn't a insolvency they can't fix, workers of the world, unite and own the companies.

well the writing was on the wall for a long time.
and people were still arguing that them being insolvent doesn't mean anything...puleez.

tho_mas · « **Reply #187 on:** June 11, 2009, 04:49:48 pm »

Quote from: jing q

and people were still arguing that them being insolvent doesn't mean anything

sometimes it doesn't mean what it looks like in the begining.
The news here is that production and shipment is ceased. Doesn't sound very good.

jing q · « **Reply #188 on:** June 11, 2009, 05:06:57 pm »

Quote from: tho_mas

sometimes it doesn't mean what it looks like in the begining.
The news here is that production and shipment is ceased. Doesn't sound very good.

that's the understatement of the year
how about: hy6 and afi users, you're screwed.

Graham Mitchell · « **Reply #189 on:** June 11, 2009, 05:18:09 pm »

Quote from: jing q

how about: hy6 and afi users, you're screwed.

That's not up to F&H - it's up to Jenoptik. They own the rights to the Hy6 (F&H had a production contract) and can continue production elsewhere if they so choose (afaik - I haven't read the actual contracts). Jenoptik also own a large chuck of Sinar, so it seems to me that they should be pumping capital in to keep the whole family of products going or close shop altogether. Hence my comment "let's see". Even Schneider probably has some interest in the Hy6 platform, being the only new lens supplier at the moment. It would be susprising to me to spend millions of euro developing this promising platform just to let it die now, and Jenoptik can afford to keep it all going through these tough times if they want to.

John_Black · « **Reply #190 on:** June 11, 2009, 05:25:51 pm »

Quote from: paulmoorestudio

send over the "O" team, they will make a silk purse from a cow's ear..there isn't a insolvency they can't fix, workers of the world, unite and own the companies.

How can Oprah fix this??? LOL

uaiomex · « **Reply #191 on:** June 11, 2009, 05:36:12 pm »

I don't even own any of this system and I feel totally screwed. I own a Hasselblad V system and can't depart from it. For me waist level finder shooting is another dimension in photography. Hasselblad totally neglected the system that made it exist. I wonder that now that F&H (if confirmed) went down the drain, Hasselblad would be more enticed to mount a decent size sensor in the CFV back.

Eduardo

EricWHiss · « **Reply #192 on:** June 11, 2009, 05:54:00 pm »

How many times has the Rollei company gone under and come back? 3?

heinrichvoelkel · « **Reply #193 on:** June 11, 2009, 05:57:52 pm »

as a Rollei owner, I think you're to positive

Czornyj · « **Reply #194 on:** June 11, 2009, 06:20:45 pm »

Quote from: uaiomex

I wonder that now that F&H (if confirmed) went down the drain, Hasselblad would be more enticed to mount a decent size sensor in the CFV back.

I'd rather wonder if Hasselblad won't be next...

Doug Peterson · « **Reply #195 on:** June 11, 2009, 06:30:54 pm »

Quote from: uaiomex

I don't even own any of this system and I feel totally screwed. I own a Hasselblad V system and can't depart from it. For me waist level finder shooting is another dimension in photography. Hasselblad totally neglected the system that made it exist. I wonder that now that F&H (if confirmed) went down the drain, Hasselblad would be more enticed to mount a decent size sensor in the CFV back.

Why wait around for them? You can buy the (already shipping) very large sensor Phase One P65+ to put on your Hassy V system today. As a plus you get Capture One lens corrections for many classic Hasselblad lenses.

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Carsten W · « **Reply #196 on:** June 11, 2009, 06:33:51 pm »

It looks bad, but in fact the article hasn't said that the show was over yet, and as already mentioned, Jenoptik owns the rights to the Hy6, so if Franke&Heidecke are too expensive to keep afloat, due to old loans, someone else could theoretically take over. Let's wait and see what happens. The insolvency deadline is July 1st, and the court case is scheduled for the end of July.

mcfoto · « **Reply #197 on:** June 11, 2009, 07:18:49 pm »

You have got to feel for Hans R. Schmid who became a majority share holder in Sept 2008 & lost over 10 m Euros of his own money! When Calumet was clearing out AFi cameras at very low prices a few months ago that was a sign that things were not well. Plus being silent for 3 months does not help either.
Denis

EricWHiss · « **Reply #198 on:** June 11, 2009, 07:30:35 pm »

Quote from: heinrichvoelkel

as a Rollei owner, I think you're to positive

Could be... you definitely can call me a fan... I did try a bunch of other makes though. Liked the RZ a lot, but without any of the auto features it was a no go. I do think the Rollei lenses are better overall than other makes. I don't have either a hy6 or AFi... have 2 6008 AF bodies and a pile of lenses and accessories.

So with my bias up front. Let me reiterate my wish - Resurrection of the Hy6 with phase backs becoming available. Maybe this juncture will allow new deals to be made.

gwhitf · « **Reply #199 on:** June 11, 2009, 08:10:24 pm »

Quote from: EricWHiss

So with my bias up front. Let me reiterate my wish - Resurrection of the Hy6 with phase backs becoming available. Maybe this juncture will allow new deals to be made.

Don't you know that Phase One is wishing they were Catholic, so they could conjure up an annulment with Mamiya! Don't you know they're slapping themselves in the forehead, and making that Homer Simpson "Doh" sound. "Why did we marry the Runt, when we could have married the pick of the litter?" A Phase back on an Hy6; now there's something to get excited about. And for Phase, the commute for the meetings is much more appealing; they could make the meeting and be home by dinnertime.

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