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« Reply #140 on: October 24, 2008, 09:37:05 am »

...when I asked my french dealer the price of the Hy6-65, he told me 19,800 CFH as the Sinar list price ! If this was about 12,000 euros at the announcement of the product, it is now 13,500 euros. The exchange rates must think in Swiss francs.
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« Reply #141 on: October 24, 2008, 09:52:13 am »

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...when I asked my french dealer the price of the Hy6-65, he told me 19,800 CFH as the Sinar list price ! If this was about 12,000 euros at the announcement of the product, it is now 13,500 euros. The exchange rates must think in Swiss francs.

sorry, but I thought theirry posted in Euros as the base price..
 didn't know that the euros he posted were for that day only as converted from cfh!
maybe he could clear that up for us all as we watch the markets rise and fall.
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« Reply #142 on: October 24, 2008, 09:54:13 am »

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97-6855   Sinarback eMotion 54LV   $10,995.00
97-6865   Sinarback eMotion 75LV   $28,595.00
97-6870   Sinarback eVolution 75H   $28,595.00
96-7106   Sinar Hy6/e54LV   $20,795.00
96-7107   Sinar Hy6/e54LVr   $22,195.00
96-7103   Sinar Hy6/e75LV   $29,195.00
96-7104   Sinar Hy6/e75LVr   $30,595.00
96-7108   Sinar Hy6/v75   $29,195.00

Why is the US price for the 65 back omitted here? Did I miss something?
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« Reply #143 on: October 24, 2008, 10:08:03 am »

Paul,
Thierry gave a "Sinar suggested retail price" at 12073 euros.
(the distributor reflects, logically, the exchange rate).
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« Reply #144 on: October 24, 2008, 10:19:42 am »

FWIW....
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« Reply #145 on: October 24, 2008, 10:25:42 am »

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Why is the US price for the 65 back omitted here? Did I miss something?

Yes, you did. That has already been asked and answered in this thread. There was a separate thread devoted to the price of the 65 which predates this thread.
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« Reply #146 on: October 24, 2008, 10:29:47 am »

be careful... this is only what my dealer told me when I thought ordering. Thierry could clarify the matter.
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« Reply #147 on: October 24, 2008, 11:32:51 am »

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Graham you are an odd forum policeman. You sniff out every post that aids you in posting the same comment over and over.

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« Reply #148 on: October 24, 2008, 11:50:52 am »

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I don't find it annoying that people ask duplicate questions

I do. It's quite antisocial and bad 'netiquette' to dump questions on a forum without bothering to see if the answer is already there.

See http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting
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« Reply #149 on: October 24, 2008, 12:43:38 pm »

i dont think anyone associated with Sinar should be suggesting a potential customer does a search about Sinar pricing - that could be one customer lost real quick when they see all the confusions

why not just list the pricing all in one go - and save all the ridiculous negative comments about someone doing a search or looking back at another page

i had the same problem with Leaf when i tried to get pricing - a sort of drip feed with the minimum information that could be provided for each query, hard to believe these companies are making a profit - and things are going to get way way harder - all the best to them!
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« Reply #150 on: October 24, 2008, 06:59:02 pm »

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I do. It's quite antisocial and bad 'netiquette' to dump questions on a forum without bothering to see if the answer is already there.

See http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting

so fotoz,

should we do this forum your way.  only post about photography that is shot with a medium format back and if so will you please provide a list what qualifies for medium format.

don't worry about listing your preferred brands, I think by now we all know that direction.

should we never post a question that someone has answered before and how do we qualify those answers.  if someone asks a rep or dealer 6 questions about an HY6 and they respond to one question does that mean all 5 are off the topic list.

maybe it would just be easier if you policed this entire section.  we could send you every post prior to posting for approval.

as Michael has stated, the medium format section is as close as it comes to having a professional's only area of the forum and as you may know most professionals are busy and don't have the time, or inclination to do a detailed search on every topic prior to positing.

even if they did, what is really wrong about asking when the new Sinar 65 is coming out and will the prices hold up in the marketplace or will they be lowered or raised.  in fact, what is wrong with asking any maker, rep or dealer a question about their equipment.  isn't that why they are on this forum in the first place and if they don't want to answer, just post a previous link or maybe take a hint from Yair and just rise above it and stick to the positive message.

for example.  Theirry has been saying to the best of his knowledge the Sinar 65 will be at Photoplus in NY ready and working, though the reports I've heard said it is still in the process of working out the bugs. I doubt if Theirry is spreading misleading information but we all know in the land of medium format, deadlines are frequently missed.

is it ok to post that above statement, or is this also going to go on the banned list of topics because it is not exactly Sinar or medium format positive.

I find it interesting and quite brave that Michael dared compare a Canon G10 to a p45+ digital back.  I think every point he made was honest and made it very clear that there is more to taking a photograph than a camera format, megapixels or price.

I am sure the results opened a lot of people eyes, but under your "watchful" eye, if Michael has posted that information on this section, you would have found it out of bounds.

I really don't understand this brand/format loyalty thing that goes on in this section of the forum.  it's obvious that dealers, reps and makers have a vested interest but there are so many brand groupies flowing through here I wonder what their motivation is.  I know some have relationships with the makers, some with dealers, some give seminars and though I find nothing wrong with that as long as it is upfront,  I do find it interesting that Michael is probably the world's  best at the seminar/workshop business model and he seems to have no issue mentioning, testing and reporting on any brand, any format.  I think that is what makes his writings interesting and what he has to say valid.

A camera format, especially a little cropped 645 is not a religion, in fact in the various formats of cameras made through history it's barely even medium format.

have a nice day.

bc
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« Reply #151 on: October 24, 2008, 07:29:24 pm »

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so fotoz,

should we do this forum your way.

No need to do it my way. Just follow common principles of consideration to others and etiquette. Is that too much for you to handle?
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« Reply #152 on: October 24, 2008, 07:30:43 pm »

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I find it interesting and quite brave that Michael dared compare a Canon G10 to a p45+ digital back.  I think every point he made was honest and made it very clear that there is more to taking a photograph than a camera format, megapixels or price.


bc

yes i like what michael is writing about the g10.
but we shouldnt forget that there have been in film days also great p+s cameras out.
some were 100% sharp and as good as the film you have used in it ... and as good as the photographer who used it.
yashika, rollei, leica many have been very good and theoretically you could make your livng with them, but hasselblads and 4x5"s still had their place.
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« Reply #153 on: October 24, 2008, 07:47:26 pm »

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Yes, you did. That has already been asked and answered in this thread. There was a separate thread devoted to the price of the 65 which predates this thread.

Graham,

The reason I asked it again is that I was under the impression that the prices could have changed slightly in recent days. And that Sinar Bron guy specifically came on here and posted a list of damn near every Sinar combo, yet, he omitted the 65.

It seems reasonable, with all this talk of price reductions, posted by Thierry, that something might have changed in the last few days, especially since Thierry posted that they would post a new USA list in time for Photo East.

What I asked does not seem unreasonable to me at all. The price could have changed slightly.

I'll leave it at that.
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« Reply #154 on: October 24, 2008, 08:08:05 pm »

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What I asked does not seem unreasonable to me at all. The price could have changed slightly.

The 65's price was the first 'reduced' price model, the rest just followed a few weeks later. Iirc, the price was advertised as running until the end of the year. I hope that helps.
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« Reply #155 on: October 24, 2008, 09:36:54 pm »

Can we summarize?

Price drop in Europe = Very good, worth going there to get one (hell the street price might be even better)
Price drop in USA = Negligible
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« Reply #156 on: October 25, 2008, 05:08:04 am »

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Graham,

The reason I asked it again is that I was under the impression that the prices could have changed slightly in recent days. And that Sinar Bron guy specifically came on here and posted a list of damn near every Sinar combo, yet, he omitted the 65.

It seems reasonable, with all this talk of price reductions, posted by Thierry, that something might have changed in the last few days, especially since Thierry posted that they would post a new USA list in time for Photo East.

What I asked does not seem unreasonable to me at all. The price could have changed slightly.

I'll leave it at that.


Quite frankly gwhitf I don't think you were being unreasonable at all in asking your original question. I'm just as damned confused about the prices too. I don't have the time to read every post as some guys obviously do, I'm out shooting photos as much as I can. The prices seem to be changing daily, it makes you a bit nervous about buying into any one system to be honest.

Pete
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« Reply #157 on: October 25, 2008, 06:04:58 am »

Dear All,
Here is the file with the 65 and s65r added.  I did not post them on the list originally because they were posted before and the pricing was correct.  Also, we do not pay Sinar in Euros, but in CHF and our catalog price is approximately 15% to 20% higher than Sinar's PM because we use a dealer network in the USA.  I hope this answer your questions.
Sincerely,
Greg King
Sinar Bron Imaging
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Catalog #   Description   Catalog

96-7101   Sinar Hy6/65   $19,995.00
96-7102   Sinar Hy6s65r   $25,500.00
97-6855   Sinarback eMotion 54LV   $10,995.00
97-6865   Sinarback eMotion 75LV   $28,595.00
97-6870   Sinarback eVolution 75H   $28,595.00
96-7106   Sinar Hy6/e54LV   $20,795.00
96-7107   Sinar Hy6/e54LVr   $22,195.00
96-7103   Sinar Hy6/e75LV   $29,195.00
96-7104   Sinar Hy6/e75LVr   $30,595.00
96-7108   Sinar Hy6/v75   $29,195.00

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Why is the US price for the 65 back omitted here? Did I miss something?
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« Reply #158 on: October 25, 2008, 06:05:18 am »

i think all this "list" prices are one thing. another thing is to ask the dealers or contributors by phone. you can buy sinars as far i know from every calumet shop in us too, and they will make prices which are quiet different than the list prices, as are doing other dealers for all this mf brands too. so its just an idea what can give this prices, they are not fixed as i see it. everybody will make his own package and give you his own offer.
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« Reply #159 on: October 25, 2008, 07:26:38 am »

Alright, my apologies for my late answer to some questions. I had a long flight and needed today some rest.

To make it clear: Sinar Switzerland has not changed any of the prices I have published here previously, despite any forex changes those last weeks. Otherwise I would have informed about.

Best regards,
Thierry
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