Price Reduction Sinar Hy6 - 54 & Sinar Hy6 - 75 Camera Systems & Backs

[BJNY]

gw,

There's a 45º prism, no mounting shoe though.
Then, there's a 90º finder with mounting shoe, but it's not "hot"

so maybe one has to use the low-profile Elinchrom Skyports
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Billy

[Graham Mitchell]

I still wonder though, has anyone ever shot a real job with a PocketWizard sticking out the left side of that thing?

It's no different to the Rollei 6008 layout, and that has been working for years. Btw, I use an Elinchrom Skyport on the side of mine. It is so compact compared to the PW. I forget it's even there. Maybe I'll post an image later.

[gwhitf]

I definitely look forward to getting this camera in my hands and running it through its paces.

David, agreed. This particular model seems very promising. When you run down the Feature List, it addresses a lot of issues. Time will tell. But as Reagan said, "Trust, yet verify".

I will check into the Elinchrom solution, but of course, I invested in all "R" model Profoto packs, that have the PocketWizard receiver built into the pack. I've got a big investment in PocketWizard already. Too big.

[BJNY]

I've been bothering the MACGroup rep for almost two years (since the Skyports were announced)

for a low-profile PocketWizard.

[gwhitf]

It's no different to the Rollei 6008 layout, and that has been working for years.

"Working", and "ideal design", could be light years apart. That's what concerns me. Also, the 6008 body seems much larger, physically, and that could allow space for your hand to still have access. The new camera is much smaller, and thus, less room for your hand to fit in there.

I just want to hear a real working photographer say, "Yeah, I own the camera, and I've been shooting it for months now, with a PocketWizard attached, and I shoot it not on the tripod, and I've never broken off a PocketWizard, and there's plenty of room for the focusing hand".

As we all know, there's the way it looks in the ad, and then there's the way that it really works in the field.

[FrançoisTT]

The Elinchrom Skyport looks very nice (smaller than PW) for the Hy6. Does their Skyport transmitter works fine with Profoto R product line ?

[Graham Mitchell]

I guess my point is that the PW is the problem. What a brick. Have you seen the Skyport I use? It's a fraction of the size, much lighter and works great with my Profoto gear. This is hardly a H6 problem.

[gwhitf]

I guess my point is that the PW is the problem. What a brick. Have you seen the Skyport I use? It's a fraction of the size, much lighter and works great with my Profoto gear. This is hardly a H6 problem.

What about a 90 degree black plastic "elbow adaptor"? If they make it for plumbing, shirley they could make it for Hy6. You'd slide the adaptor into the shoe of the Hy6, and then, when the adaptor did its 90, then the PocketWizard would be pointing straight up.

Oops. Into your left eye.

Back to the drawing board.

I agree with BJNY; the PW simply needs to be smaller. Inside, it's probably one tiny circuit board, but the maker thought they needed to make it large enough to justify $350 price point...

[AndreNapier]

I still wonder though, has anyone ever shot a real job with a PocketWizard sticking out the left side of that thing? Can you left hand actually get in there and actually hold the camera and focus properly? Would the PocketWizard snap off of there by lunchtime?

I support my Rz on pocket wizard. It works great. It will get loose once or twice during the day but it provide excellent balanced support. It is much easier to hold the camera with it than without it.
Never tried the other solution.
Andre

[rainer_v]

I don't understand what all the fuss is about.  If the digital equipment makers don't want to read a thread then just skip it, like changing a channel.  I really don't think it matters anyway, as no matter what any of us say, we will all speak with our wallets.

If a product is good, or even better, available and the price is right (or the price is known) then it should sell.  If not it won't and that will be that.

These are good times for our studio, but we are well aware it's tough out there so we have to be on our game all the time.  Same with any supplier we use.

We all work with a variety of people, clients and suppliers and all of us have to respond with positive answers that mean something today.  I have clients that ask repetitive questions and it doesn't bother me in the least.  I assume their busy, I assume they have a lot going on and most importantly I assume they want total assurance that me and my studio is going to deliver as promised.

Nothing wrong with that, in fact I like the clients that take a project seriously and demand the best we can give or (even better), more than we did before.  It means they will probably bring something valuable to the project.

Is it frustrating, sometimes, but It's a tough world out there, for everyone.

If I wanted it easy I would have gone into banking, uh well . . . maybe not.

i think it matters a lot. because it destroys this forum or it makes it to an uncomfortable and useless place, which i dont like cause i like this mf exchange place, because most of the people here act polite, informative and aside that here are many great photographers to meet.

all this reminds me somehow to the horrible lolita bashing some months ago, which was even more  useless than what start to happen here now,- but the things move in a very bad direction again i.m.o. herein LL .
if posters start to blame people as thierry sexually they shoud go whereever they want but better shut up and there is nothing to defend in such posts. but as well if over and over again is screamed out with 1000 words personal needs  and as it would be the end of the world if they dont appear next week ( i dont speak about not working features- this is scandalous from the manufactors but here are discussed wish lists which have nothing to do with unfunctional products  ),- and these critics or wishes are been repeated again and again although many of this points even have lost their actuality because solved now.  
& thierry is right: many of this question or demands catalogs have been posted now by the same persons over and over again with the same words although  they have been answered many times in direct response and detailed. i dont get the sense of this kind of postings nor of the offensive bashing which we hd two days ago. james,- in the meantime i do what you advise here: i skip these treads, but if the things cook up too much it may destroy or damage a forum likethis ( again ) . and I DONT like that because its a nice place to meet here and to exchange knowledge.

[EricWHiss]

I can see why you might think since I had the same concerns with my 6008 AF / phase p20 as the flash shoe is the same place.  Hasn't been a problem at all in practice and I actually kind of like it there now.  The metz flash module for the on camera flash has a 90 degree bend. That also seemed a bit weird, but works fine (though I don't use on camera flash very much).  When I get around to upgrading to the Hy6 or AFi the location of the shoe will not be a concern.  Sure the Hy6 is a bit smaller but I can see from testing it that there is plenty of room to work with.   Where the pocket wizard is noticeable is when you go to set the camera down.  Since the grip is on the right and the natural tendency is to want to lay the camera on its left side when you set it down, but that's where the wizard is so you just have to spend an extra second placing the camera down on its base.  

I love the theory behind this camera.

I still wonder though, has anyone ever shot a real job with a PocketWizard sticking out the left side of that thing? Can you left hand actually get in there and actually hold the camera and focus properly? Would the PocketWizard snap off of there by lunchtime?

[BJNY]

I agree with BJNY; the PW simply needs to be smaller.
Inside, it's probably one tiny circuit board,
but the maker thought they needed to make it large enough to justify $350 price point...

Since the Leaf AFi and PocketWizard are distributed by the same folks,
I think they are well aware of the jutting out issue.

Another example of how smaller it could get:
http://www.white-lightning.com/cybersync.html

[Nick-T]

James, there are many posts in here which are plain inaccurate and when people read them and take them to heart then rumours can start. Sometimes potentially damaging rumours.

This is very true.
When I first posted about the HTS, someone (can't remember who at the moment) posted that there was "no way it would focus at infinity" when this was patently untrue.
Very irritating.

Nick-T

[Graham Mitchell]

The Elinchrom Skyport looks very nice (smaller than PW) for the Hy6. Does their Skyport transmitter works fine with Profoto R product line ?

To give you an idea of the size of the Skyport:

[heinrichvoelkel]

To give you an idea of the size of the Skyport:

 

[gregkingsbi]

Dear All,
I am sorry for any confusion.  I have attached the new SBI pricing on the listed items.  This pricing replaces the 20% off digital promotion we announced last week.
Sincerely,
Greg

97-6855   Sinarback eMotion 54LV   $10,995.00
97-6865   Sinarback eMotion 75LV   $28,595.00
97-6870   Sinarback eVolution 75H   $28,595.00
96-7106   Sinar Hy6/e54LV   $20,795.00
96-7107   Sinar Hy6/e54LVr   $22,195.00
96-7103   Sinar Hy6/e75LV   $29,195.00
96-7104   Sinar Hy6/e75LVr   $30,595.00
96-7108   Sinar Hy6/v75   $29,195.00

Dear All,
It appears there is an error in our Marketing Bulletin.  I will check into it on Monday.  Sorry for any confusion.  I will post the correct pricing at that time.
Sincerely,
Greg King
Sinar Bron Imaging

[smhoer]

Dear All,
I am sorry for any confusion.  I have attached the new SBI pricing on the listed items.  This pricing replaces the 20% off digital promotion we announced last week.
Sincerely,
Greg

97-6855   Sinarback eMotion 54LV   $10,995.00
97-6865   Sinarback eMotion 75LV   $28,595.00
97-6870   Sinarback eVolution 75H   $28,595.00
96-7106   Sinar Hy6/e54LV   $20,795.00
96-7107   Sinar Hy6/e54LVr   $22,195.00
96-7103   Sinar Hy6/e75LV   $29,195.00
96-7104   Sinar Hy6/e75LVr   $30,595.00
96-7108   Sinar Hy6/v75   $29,195.00

Mmmm, here are your earlier prices..
Below are the US catalog prices for the various Sinarback combinations. These prices reflect 20% off the standard US catalog price.

Sinar Hy6/e75LV $29,200.00
Sinar Hy6/e75LVr $30,400.00
Sinar Hy6/e54LV $24,160.00
Sinar Hy6/e54LVr $25,520.00
Sinar Hy6/v75 $32,200.00
Sinarback eMotion 54LV $14,156.00
Sinarback eMotion 75LV $26,000.00
Sinarback eVolution 75H $28,400.00


with the euro pricing of Sinarback eVolution 75 H (33 Mpx) at New price Euro 16'778 ($21600)
that implies a markup of 5400 euros or $7000.  Might be time to make a trip to the EU

[Gigi]

Dear All,
I am sorry for any confusion.  I have attached the new SBI pricing on the listed items.  This pricing replaces the 20% off digital promotion we announced last week.
Sincerely,
Greg

97-6855   Sinarback eMotion 54LV   $10,995.00
97-6865   Sinarback eMotion 75LV   $28,595.00
97-6870   Sinarback eVolution 75H   $28,595.00
96-7106   Sinar Hy6/e54LV   $20,795.00
96-7107   Sinar Hy6/e54LVr   $22,195.00
96-7103   Sinar Hy6/e75LV   $29,195.00
96-7104   Sinar Hy6/e75LVr   $30,595.00
96-7108   Sinar Hy6/v75   $29,195.00

From the earlier post, European pricing: "Sinar Hy6-e54r (with revolving adapter) New Price Euro 12'128.- (old price Euro 14'872.-)"

At 1.3:1 to the $, that's about $16k, vs. $22k noted above.

 

[paulmoorestudio]

From the earlier post, European pricing: "Sinar Hy6-e54r (with revolving adapter) New Price Euro 12'128.- (old price Euro 14'872.-)"

At 1.3:1 to the $, that's about $16k, vs. $22k noted above.

and about 23grand usd today for the hy6-e75r..wow..who knows, might be even less tomorrow the way the euro is going..
but maybe there are huge import duties or sbi bought a boatload before the world started self-correcting and are they are stuck
with the goods at a high price.
..maybe. or maybe they still plan on giving a 8grand tradein on your old back, that would get it down in the ballpark of the euro price..who knows for sure?  and those who know, will they stick their neck out and say what the real deal is?  I think another maybe.
I applaud sinar.ch for making the effort, I hope the financial situation we are in will allow folks like me to act on the new euro prices, as it stands with the US prices I doubt there will be much business gained.. Personally I am only interested in the 75 or 65 back from sinar but not at the US prices.

[FrançoisTT]

I could be wrong but the basic calculation is not the euro but the Swiss franc (CFH).