Pages: 1 ... 4 5 [6] 7 8 ... 16   Go Down

Author Topic: Covid General discussions  (Read 31616 times)

Robert Roaldi

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5512
    • Robert's Photos
Re: Covid General discussions
« Reply #100 on: January 31, 2022, 09:44:51 am »

It's a good thing Alan isn't a judge.

I hope he's never on a jury.
Logged
--
Robert

Robert Roaldi

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5512
    • Robert's Photos
Re: Covid General discussions
« Reply #101 on: January 31, 2022, 09:47:45 am »

Here are the latest viewpoints.

Covid Live Updates: U.S. Governors Say It’s Time to Learn to Live With the Virus as Omicron Recedes
A few state leaders said Sunday that while more variants and another surge are still possible, Omicron has brought the country closer to the endemic stage of the virus.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/01/31/world/omicron-covid-vaccine-tests

So what else it new. This is precisely the end game that all virologists and epidemiologists have been talking about since forever. This is what it has always been about, since 1918. Are you now pretending to claim that this is new information of which you were unaware?
 
Logged
--
Robert

DavidJ

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 80
    • http://www.pistyllphoto.org.uk
Re: Covid General discussions
« Reply #102 on: January 31, 2022, 10:06:36 am »

Was the virus made in a Wuhan lab? The answer is we don't know. Maybe maybe not. I have seen good papers arguing that it had all the hallmarks of a wild virus. I have also seen papers suggesting that the biosecurity at the Wuhan labs studying this group of viruses was poor. It is sometime ago that I read these and do not have the references quickly at hand. They were both from reliable scientific journals. I have also a read an innordiate amount of conspiracist nonsense about the virus. Separating that from good scientific evidence is essential. I have a rule which is not to use Youtube or any other video hosting sites as a source of science. The reliable medical and science journals are available on line. Youtube is great for videos of the arts and cute pictures of pets, potentially dangerous as a source of science and medical knowledge.

The truth is the virus is now endemic around the world. Hopefully it will not mutate back in to something as dangerous as the delta. Omicron because it is so infectious still remains a public health risk particularly in countries where there are low levels of vaccination and also a population vulnerable through malnutrition etc.

All we can do is take the sensible precautions and hope that new variants do not arise too rapidly that can escape the effects of the vaccine programmes. That new variants will arise is as certain as night follows day. This virus has given us all a powerful lesson in evolution.
Logged
David Allen

Alan Klein

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 15850
    • Flicker photos
Re: Covid General discussions
« Reply #103 on: January 31, 2022, 10:11:05 am »

So what else it new. This is precisely the end game that all virologists and epidemiologists have been talking about since forever. This is what it has always been about, since 1918. Are you now pretending to claim that this is new information of which you were unaware?
 
This is new information.  I've been the only one of a few here who said we're in the end game, (I predicted the end of February.)  You weren't one of them.  I'm just bringing you up to date that others in the public agree that we may be entering the endemic stage from a pandemic.

Alan Klein

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 15850
    • Flicker photos
Re: Covid General discussions
« Reply #104 on: January 31, 2022, 10:15:14 am »

Was the virus made in a Wuhan lab? The answer is we don't know. Maybe maybe not. I have seen good papers arguing that it had all the hallmarks of a wild virus. I have also seen papers suggesting that the biosecurity at the Wuhan labs studying this group of viruses was poor. It is sometime ago that I read these and do not have the references quickly at hand. They were both from reliable scientific journals. I have also a read an innordiate amount of conspiracist nonsense about the virus. Separating that from good scientific evidence is essential. I have a rule which is not to use Youtube or any other video hosting sites as a source of science. The reliable medical and science journals are available on line. Youtube is great for videos of the arts and cute pictures of pets, potentially dangerous as a source of science and medical knowledge.

The truth is the virus is now endemic around the world. Hopefully it will not mutate back in to something as dangerous as the delta. Omicron because it is so infectious still remains a public health risk particularly in countries where there are low levels of vaccination and also a population vulnerable through malnutrition etc.

All we can do is take the sensible precautions and hope that new variants do not arise too rapidly that can escape the effects of the vaccine programmes. That new variants will arise is as certain as night follows day. This virus has given us all a powerful lesson in evolution.
Since you read both sides, which side do you think the odds are on how it occurred?  50-50  60-40  70-30??

Robert Roaldi

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5512
    • Robert's Photos
Re: Covid General discussions
« Reply #105 on: January 31, 2022, 11:02:56 am »

This is new information.  I've been the only one of a few here who said we're in the end game, (I predicted the end of February.)  You weren't one of them.  I'm just bringing you up to date that others in the public agree that we may be entering the endemic stage from a pandemic.

This is NOT new information, please stop the nonsense. And you are FAR from the first to find some reason for optimism recently. All I have said is, if you were paying attention, something you NEVER do, is that we're might be celebrating prematurely, especially so in the USA where your 7-day moving average of deaths is still in the 2000 range. Two thousands dead per day is not what the end looks like. Get a damn grip, would you.

The daily deaths won't decrease because of some magic in the ether, or because of your feelings, it will decrease if people keep doing what they should be doing, getting vaccinated, maintain distance, etc. The viruses don't become less deadly one day because they're tired or because they feel like it, it's because we maintain our defences.

It's becoming insufferable having to repeat the obvious to you every day. Try paying attention.

As for your predicting the end, what utter horse shit. You were talking about herd immunity in mid-2020. If you keep repeating it, then yeah, one day it would turn out to be true. And it will turn out to be true at about the third or fourth year, just about what every expert on earth was saying in spring 2020. And they were saying that in podcasts and articles that you were told about, except you never listened or read anything that was suggested to you.

Logged
--
Robert

Alan Klein

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 15850
    • Flicker photos
Re: Covid General discussions
« Reply #106 on: January 31, 2022, 11:06:16 am »

You're arguing it both ways.

Robert Roaldi

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5512
    • Robert's Photos
Re: Covid General discussions
« Reply #107 on: January 31, 2022, 11:15:34 am »

You're arguing it both ways.

I'm sure you think so.  ;)
Logged
--
Robert

Peter McLennan

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 4692
Re: Covid General discussions
« Reply #108 on: January 31, 2022, 04:18:00 pm »

Since you read both sides, which side do you think the odds are on how it occurred?  50-50  60-40  70-30??

Promoting random speculation on this topic is irresponsible and sophomoric.

<edit>  And stupid.
Logged

Alan Klein

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 15850
    • Flicker photos
Re: Covid General discussions
« Reply #109 on: January 31, 2022, 04:58:25 pm »

Promoting random speculation on this topic is irresponsible and sophomoric.

<edit>  And stupid.
China killed 8 million people and you want to ignore it.

Peter McLennan

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 4692
Re: Covid General discussions
« Reply #110 on: January 31, 2022, 07:03:44 pm »

China killed 8 million people and you want to ignore it.

Statements like that are irresponsible and sophomoric.
Logged

JoeKitchen

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5080
Re: Covid General discussions
« Reply #111 on: January 31, 2022, 07:06:18 pm »

Promoting random speculation on this topic is irresponsible and sophomoric.

<edit>  And stupid.

Oh no, there was an outbreak of chocolate in Hershey, PA but surely it did not come from the factory!  That would be an irresponsible and sophomoric assumption.  It would be stupid to assume one of the world's leading chocolate makers caused an eruption of chocolate in its own town.   

LOL
Logged
"Photography is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine percent

JoeKitchen

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5080
Re: Covid General discussions
« Reply #112 on: January 31, 2022, 07:16:41 pm »

Statements like that are irresponsible and sophomoric.

Dupont infected the world with PFOAs and PFOSs so much so that you have to go back to WWII blood banks to find blood without any of traces.  Now, just in case you think the dangers of these chemicals were masked, they weren't.  It was not uncommon for flocks of bird to just die en mass when flying over the factories that produced them, yet they just kept on making them. 

In this comparison with these statement you would be the corporate apologist who insists that we got teflon out of the deal, so what's the point.
Logged
"Photography is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine percent

TechTalk

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3628
Re: Covid General discussions
« Reply #113 on: January 31, 2022, 07:25:55 pm »

Oh no, there was an outbreak of chocolate in Hershey, PA but surely it did not come from the factory!  That would be an irresponsible and sophomoric assumption.  It would be stupid to assume one of the world's leading chocolate makers caused an eruption of chocolate in its own town.   

LOL

How do you feel about all of the stupid and irresponsible assumptions that you've made and posted in this forum regarding COVID-19 and the science and statistics connected to it?
Logged
Respice, adspice, prospice - Look to the past, the present, the future

Alan Klein

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 15850
    • Flicker photos
Re: Covid General discussions
« Reply #114 on: February 01, 2022, 07:51:56 am »

How do you feel about all of the stupid and irresponsible assumptions that you've made and posted in this forum regarding COVID-19 and the science and statistics connected to it?
Joe's viewpoints are wider than many here.  He includes economic aspects that are often ignored.   Health is only one aspect of Covid.  We have to consider financial problems as well.  These are ignored by most scientists.  Also he raises the important issue of liberty, another issue ignored by scientists and others.

Robert Roaldi

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5512
    • Robert's Photos
Re: Covid General discussions
« Reply #115 on: February 01, 2022, 08:05:27 am »

Joe's viewpoints are wider than many here.  He includes economic aspects that are often ignored.   Health is only one aspect of Covid.  We have to consider financial problems as well.  These are ignored by most scientists.  Also he raises the important issue of liberty, another issue ignored by scientists and others.

You're like a dog with a bone the way you keep insisting that others don't care about the economy or liberty.
Logged
--
Robert

LesPalenik

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5338
    • advantica blog
Re: Covid General discussions
« Reply #116 on: February 01, 2022, 08:25:42 am »

Joe's viewpoints are wider than many here.  He includes economic aspects that are often ignored.   Health is only one aspect of Covid.  We have to consider financial problems as well.  These are ignored by most scientists.  Also he raises the important issue of liberty, another issue ignored by scientists and others.

Speaking about liberty. I know of one case where a family of 3 was not vaccinated, their little boy picked up the covid virus, then his grandma when she was babysitting was infected by him and brought it home to her husband. He is now in the hospital on ventilator and the situation is very grave.
Logged

Robert Roaldi

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5512
    • Robert's Photos
Re: Covid General discussions
« Reply #117 on: February 01, 2022, 10:25:37 am »

Speaking about liberty. I know of one case where a family of 3 was not vaccinated, their little boy picked up the covid virus, then his grandma when she was babysitting was infected by him and brought it home to her husband. He is now in the hospital on ventilator and the situation is very grave.

Listen, if you're to hang around your grandchildren, what do you expect? That's the price of freedumb.

I keep thinking of all those philosophers who wrote 1000 page tomes on liberty and freedom, what would they think of all this?  :)
Logged
--
Robert

LesPalenik

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5338
    • advantica blog
Re: Covid General discussions
« Reply #118 on: February 01, 2022, 11:04:06 am »

Quebec, which has seen the highest number of Covid-related deaths in Canada, is currently struggling with a surge in cases.

Quote
On Tuesday, the premier announced that it would be the first in the nation to financially penalise the unvaccinated.
Only about 12.8% of Quebec residents are not vaccinated, but they make up nearly a third of all hospital cases. According to federal data, just over 85% of Quebec residents had received at least one vaccine dose by 1 January.
Premier Francois Legault said during a news conference that people who have not received their first dose of vaccine will have to pay a "contribution". The fee has not yet been decided, but will be "significant", he said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59960689
Logged

PeterAit

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 4647
    • Peter Aitken Photographs
Re: Covid General discussions
« Reply #119 on: February 01, 2022, 11:18:52 am »

Since you read both sides, which side do you think the odds are on how it occurred?  50-50  60-40  70-30??

What difference does it make? I find it troubling that so much of this "Wuhan lab vs. natural origin" concern is so blatantly racist and political, based on a desire to blame the Chinese.
Logged
Pages: 1 ... 4 5 [6] 7 8 ... 16   Go Up