Covid General discussions

[Alan Klein]

Alan, that is precisely what Robert called it:  "A spectacularly ignorant statement"

You have precisely zero knowledge of the origins of Covid. You are not a medical professional. You're a guy with a computer in New Jersey.

As well as ignorant, your statement qualifies as intentional, dangerous and divisive disinformation.

You are the problem.

You insulting again.  It's tiring. Your only response is to call me names.   Ignoring the origin just set's us up again for another similar outbreak with another virus. 

Many experts have said that the Covid could have come from a lab.   Remember that the first case was in Wuhan. Wuhan has a lab that was working on viruses.  Duh!  Were the Chinese working on Covid and it escaped?  Could the virus have been transmitted from collection efforts of bats hundreds of miles away and taken to the lab, even unknowingly?  It may not have been worked on, but spread naturally to one of the researchers who spread it outside the lab. Either way, China is responsible and will never admit they had anything to do with it due to liability reasons.  Can you imagine the lawsuits against them? 

China's hiding the facts.  How could you believe them?  They lied about the disease for weeks possibly months.  So now we should believe them when they say nothing came from the lab? Meanwhile, they refused access of the kind necessary to do a full accounting by outside investigators.

[Robert Roaldi]

... especially since no one has a complete handle on what are the correct procedures. 

Please stop repeating this nonsense. Except for changes along the way as new info emerged, the procedures were always clear to me and to everyone I know.

... Is it necessary to develop new strains of virus-like Covid-19 that can kill millions of people if it escaped from the lab which it did?  We should re-examine just how far research should go.  I believe we shot ourselves in the foot, or China did, or maybe we both did.  There's some discussion that America paid for some of that research in Wuhan.   Why are we developing strains that are so dangerous?  It seems very foolhardy to me.

My advice is to unsubscribe from conspiracy theory feeds.

[Alan Klein]

Please stop repeating this nonsense. Except for changes along the way as new info emerged, the procedures were always clear to me and to everyone I know.


My advice is to unsubscribe from conspiracy theory feeds.

Many of the procedures didn't take into account effects on people's jobs and the economy.   When you added them to the formula, you come up with different procedures and solutions.  It's why every day now, many governmental procedures keep varying depending where you live.  One day, open the restaurant, next day close them again.  You can't say there is a set procedure for any of this.  It's just that you think there should be.  But even Democratic officials disagree with you now and are adjusting the science to economic issues.

[Peter McLennan]

You insulting again.  It's tiring. Your only response is to call me names.

Then quit spreading dangerous disinformation.  You have no idea where covid came from.

[Alan Klein]

Then quit spreading dangerous disinformation.  You have no idea where covid came from.

And you do?   

What's dangerous about accusing the Chinese of hiding the real cause of it after they lied about its existence?  Even if it did occur naturally, they continued to allow their infected people to travel to Europe and the US spreading their disease around the world and killing 8 million people.  Why are you protecting them?  Don't you think they should have let the investigation team in there to their lab in Wuhan to find out where it came from? They did a huge coverup and you're worried about me spreading supposed misinformation.  That's bizarre. 

[Robert Roaldi]

I miss the National Enquirer and alien abductions.

[Peter McLennan]

And you do?

No, I don't. (know where covid came from) And I don't claim to, either. Unlike you.

Jumping to conclusions that, because I don't support your spurious claim, I support the Chinese is yet another telling symptom of your vapidity.

I suggest a night school course in logic, argument and debate.

[Alan Klein]

No, I don't. (know where covid came from) And I don't claim to, either. Unlike you.

Jumping to conclusions that, because I don't support your spurious claim, I support the Chinese is yet another telling symptom of your vapidity.

I suggest a night school course in logic, argument and debate.

You seem to have concluded it didn't come from a lab.  Yet, where's your proof?  You take it for granted.  Yet, China refused to allow investigators to investigate?  They hid the virus from the world for weeks.  The virus started in the same town where the lab was working on viruses in a huge country with 1 1/2 billion people.  Yet, coincidentally, it started a couple of miles from the lab. None of that disturbs you?  You don't see a smoking gun?   You claim my claim is spurious but don't see how spurious and illogical your claim is?

[Peter McLennan]

You seem to have concluded it didn't come from a lab.  Yet, where's your proof? You take it for granted. 

I may "seem" to have concluded something to you, Alan, but you'd be wrong. 
Like you, I have no proof of the origins of covid.  Unlike you, I don't profess such knowledge.

  You claim my claim is spurious but don't see how spurious and illogical your claim is?

No, I don't.  I made no claim other than my ignorance of covid's origin.

You continue to attempt to put words in others' mouths.  It's stupid.

[chez]

Many experts have said that the Covid could have come from a lab.   

And you choose to believe these experts since they line up with your bias...but totally disregard other experts on other topics because they don't fit your agenda. Seems about par for the course.

[Alan Klein]

And you choose to believe these experts since they line up with your bias...but totally disregard other experts on other topics because they don't fit your agenda. Seems about par for the course.

And your opinion is it didn't come from the lab and my opinion is it did.  How is mine more biased than yours?  You have your belief and I have mine. 

[LesPalenik]

BBC reports that the controversial claim that the pandemic might have leaked from a Chinese laboratory - once dismissed by many as a fringe conspiracy theory - has been gaining traction.

Dr Fauci now says he's "not convinced" the virus originated naturally. That's a shift from a year ago, when he thought it most likely Covid had spread from animals to humans.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57268111

[chez]

And your opinion is it didn't come from the lab and my opinion is it did.  How is mine more biased than yours?  You have your belief and I have mine.

You are the one that continually goes on a tirade claiming experts cannot be trusted nor believed because they all have different agendas. Now you somehow believe these experts...when they line up with your bias. Why is that Alan? Why do you blast experts when you don't agree with their findings...yet your trust experts when they agree with you?

For the record, I have no idea where the virus originated...I'm more concerned how we deal with it.

[Alan Klein]

You are the one that continually goes on a tirade claiming experts cannot be trusted nor believed because they all have different agendas. Now you somehow believe these experts...when they line up with your bias. Why is that Alan? Why do you blast experts when you don't agree with their findings...yet your trust experts when they agree with you?

For the record, I have no idea where the virus originated...I'm more concerned how we deal with it.

I'm not trusting experts.  Many of them said it came from wild animals.  I'm drawing my own conclusions.  Wuhan had a virology lab.  The first case was in Wuhan a few miles from the lab.  The Chinese refused to allow an in-depth investigation of the lab.  The Chinese hid the disease in the beginning.  Case closed.

If you don't know how it started, how do you know how to deal with it in the future?  If it came from animals, then you might address the issue to not eat certain wild animals.  If it came from a lab by mistake, then you would tighten up on safety procedures and maybe stop working with such dangerous viruses and methods.  Don't you think with the possibility of a lab error, we should be having hearings as to what our government is up to and how they handle these things?  Almost a million people died just in America, over 8 million around the world, economies shattered, etc.  Yet we still don't know where it came from and what we should do to protect ourselves in the future.  How's that smart?  Maybe Dr. Fauci could advise up when he's 104 in twenty years when the next one breaks out. 

[Peter McLennan]

Case closed.

It's a good thing Alan isn't a judge.

[Alan Klein]

It's a good thing Alan isn't a judge.

Forget about my opinion.  Aren't you concerned that after more than two years, we still don't have a definitive answer how it started?  No one seems to be talking about how to prevent it in the future.  All we hear is about how some hew drugs may help when it hits, whether we should wear masks and who should get vaccinated.  After 8 million dead, wouldn't prevention be better than a drug to keep it under control? 

Is that the best we can do? 

[Alan Klein]

Cases continue to decline in NYC from 43K to 5K in seven-day averages in January.  Good news.  Now if no new strains pop up, maybe we can get on to normalcy by the end of February.

NYC sees rapid decline in Covid-19 cases. Here are the latest figures.
The city's positivity rate Saturday was 4.83 percent, the lowest of any region in the state.
New York City is seeing a “rapid decline” in Covid-19 cases as it begins to emerge from the surge driven by the Omicron variant, Mayor Eric Adams announced Sunday.

But the latest wave has had a grim toll: More than 2,300 New Yorkers have died of the coronavirus in the month of January alone.

The city reported a seven-day average of 5,054 new virus cases in the latest stats, down from a high of over 43,000 in early January.

And the city's positivity rate Saturday was 4.83 percent, the lowest of any region in the state.

“All indicators are saying we’re heading in the right direction: a rapid decline in cases. They remain high, but they clearly are declining,” Adams said at a briefing at Jacobi Medical Center in the Bronx.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/30/nyc-covid-cases-decline-00003482

[LesPalenik]

Cases continue to decline in NYC from 43K to 5K in seven-day averages in January.  Good news.  Now if no new strains pop up, maybe we can get on to normalcy by the end of February.

Interesting! Same thing happened last year.

[Alan Klein]

Interesting! Same thing happened last year.

Let's hope there aren't new strains coming up.  There seems to be a variant of Omicron that's even more contagious but about equal in illness.  Not sure what this means though. 

[Alan Klein]

Here are the latest viewpoints.

Covid Live Updates: U.S. Governors Say It’s Time to Learn to Live With the Virus as Omicron Recedes
A few state leaders said Sunday that while more variants and another surge are still possible, Omicron has brought the country closer to the endemic stage of the virus.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/01/31/world/omicron-covid-vaccine-tests