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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2920 on: January 14, 2022, 02:57:54 pm »

We're not talking about just spreading.   The vaccines, masks and isolation were pushed as ways to not get infected.  Politicians and scientists never pushed the idea we all were going to get sick in some form.  They were and still are trying to save us from getting it.  Your reversal is why many people just don't trust the politicians and scientists because they've recently flipped-flopped.  Now they're arguing that well, it's not so bad anymore.  We have to keep the economy open while insisting everyone get vaccinated. They're bipolar, manic-depressive in their ideas.

Blah, blah, blah fucking blah. 

We should make a list of all the topics of Alan's proclaimed expertise.
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« Reply #2921 on: January 14, 2022, 03:33:09 pm »

We should make a list of all the topics of Alan's proclaimed expertise.
There are hundreds of pages of his nonsense. Making a list, when he posts multiple times a day would be nearly a full-time job. He may be bipolar and manic depressive in addition to suffering from dementia.
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« Reply #2922 on: January 14, 2022, 04:57:45 pm »

Infectious diseases don't spread uniformly. Spikes, surges, and waves of infection vary in time, place, and severity.

These are the eight states in the U.S. where current hospital ICU occupancy is 90%+...

• Rhode Island ICU Beds in Use - 94.85%
• Rhode Island in Use for COVID-19 - 37.5%
• ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 2.8
• Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 77.8%

• Alabama ICU Beds in Use - 92.46%
• Alabama Beds in Use for COVID-19 - 27.77%
• ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 3.9
• Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 48.47%

• Texas ICU Beds in Use - 92.26%
• Texas ICU Beds in Use for COVID-19 - 34.21%
• ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 2.6
• Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 59.19%

• Kentucky ICU Beds in Use - 91.99%
• Kentucky ICU Beds in Use for COVID-19 - 32.6%
• ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 3.3
• Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 54.99%

• Delaware ICU Beds in Use - 91.67%
• Delaware ICU Beds in Use for COVID-19 - 64.47%
• ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 2.7
• Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 66.08%

• New Mexico ICU Beds in Use - 90.83%
• New Mexico ICU Beds in Use for COVID-19 - 37.18%
• ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 2.2
• Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 67.19%

• Georgia ICU Beds in Use - 90.92%
• Georgia Beds in Use for COVID-19 - 38.45%
• ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 2.6
• Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 52.82%

• Indiana ICU Beds in Use - 90.38%
• Indiana Beds in Use for COVID-19 - 38.7%
• ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 3.6
• Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 54.00%

* U.S. National Average ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 2.7

** U.S. Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 63.61%

https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/hospital-utilization

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/icu-beds

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2923 on: January 14, 2022, 06:07:32 pm »

U.S. COVID-19 Patients in Hospital

• December 27, 2021 - 74,692

• December 29, 2021 - 85,514

• January 1, 2022 - 96,500

• January 3, 2022 - 108,762

• January 5, 2022 - 121,457

• January 7, 2022 - 131,822

• January 10, 2022 - 142,069

• January 12, 2022 - 149,253

* Data may change due to differences in reporting dates and times from different locations. Corrected data from sources may also be updated over time.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/current-covid-patients-hospital-country=USA
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« Reply #2924 on: January 14, 2022, 06:39:20 pm »

A friend in Florida was this week in the hospital and reported that several nurses there were diagnosed with covid. His unvaccinated son and his daughter in law tested also positive. Viva La Libre!

 
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« Reply #2925 on: January 14, 2022, 09:38:45 pm »

According to Worldometer, the US is at over 870,000 Covid deaths and has been at close to 2000 or above daily deaths all this week. Those numbers are still grim. I hope it's a post-Christmas period effect.

I see some people are pinning their hopes on Omicron being less lethal than previous variants. It is good news that it is. But some postings read like the pandemic is over because of that. But the previous variants haven't gone away, have they?

Does anyone know how the Omicron-only death rate compares to average flu deaths (using 35,000 per year as an assumed yearly average for flu, as per previous postings)?
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« Reply #2926 on: January 14, 2022, 10:11:41 pm »

A friend in Florida was this week in the hospital and reported that several nurses there were diagnosed with covid. His unvaccinated son and his daughter in law tested also positive. Viva La Libre!

 

I hope they get well.  I know a few more people who were sick up here in NJ.  Fortunately, it was like a bad cold for them and now they're better.

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« Reply #2927 on: January 14, 2022, 10:15:45 pm »

Now they tell us.  Well, we kind of knew this anyway.  One thing about the N95 masks.  I heard that 60% of them were unapproved knockoffs.  I've been using the KN-95 type that is Chinese-made.  I hope they're better than some of the other stuff I've bought from them.

CDC urges Americans to wear most-protective mask or respirator that fits well and that they'll wear consistently
The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention updated its mask information for the American public on Friday, including clarifying that certain types of masks and respirators offer more protection from the coronavirus than others and offering tips on what consumers should look for when shopping for them.

"Masking is a critical public health tool to prevent the spread of COVID-19, and it is important to remember that any mask is better than no mask," the CDC said in a statement.
The updated guidelines recommends that Americans wear the most protective mask or respirator they can find that fits well and that they will wear consistently.
"Some masks and respirators offer higher levels of protection than others, and some may be harder to tolerate or wear consistently than others," the new guidelines say. "It is most important to wear a well-fitted mask or respirator correctly that is comfortable for you and that provides good protection."
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/14/health/cdc-mask-guidelines/index.html

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« Reply #2928 on: January 14, 2022, 11:03:04 pm »

The best protection is still avoiding all non-essential trips, keeping the sufficient distance from others, and not getting overconfident that the mask will fully protect you.
So far, you and me have been careful, and we have managed to avoid the plague.
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« Reply #2929 on: January 15, 2022, 08:46:31 am »

The best protection is still avoiding all non-essential trips, keeping the sufficient distance from others, and not getting overconfident that the mask will fully protect you.
So far, you and me have been careful, and we have managed to avoid the plague.
I've put off haircuts and going to the doctor for regular checkups for now.  Also, cut back on going into stores and with other people.  The cases seem to have peaked out a week or ten days ago in NY and NJ.  So hopefully, this will be over soon as long as there aren't other variants still out there.  I thought that would be by the end of February.  Now it looks like it might be sooner. 

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« Reply #2930 on: January 15, 2022, 12:02:57 pm »

There are hundreds of pages of his nonsense. Making a list, when he posts multiple times a day would be nearly a full-time job. He may be bipolar and manic depressive in addition to suffering from dementia.
Textbook Saul Alinsky: attack and destroy the person, don't engage in meaningful debate.
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« Reply #2931 on: January 15, 2022, 12:13:06 pm »

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/15/health/mrna-vaccine.html

For those with access, this is a superb article outlining how the mRNA process was developed over decades.  Big Science at its best.
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« Reply #2932 on: January 15, 2022, 01:04:26 pm »

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/15/health/mrna-vaccine.html

For those with access, this is a superb article outlining how the mRNA process was developed over decades.  Big Science at its best.

Thanks. I haven't yet read the article in detail, but I will. I started making my own timeline of development milestones in mRNA vaccines from multiple sources and articles. I may post that at some point as a condensed timeline version of the events and people that have made the current mRNA vaccines possible. The article that you linked may provide additional information.

I've scanned the article briefly and it includes the important contributions to mRNA vaccine development from Dr. Pieter Cullis at the University of British Columbia, Dr. Katalin Karikσ and Dr. Drew Weissman at the University of Pennsylvania, Dr. Barney Graham and Dr. Anthony Fauci at the NIAID Vaccine Research Center, and Dr. Jason McLellan's work at the NIAID Vaccine Research Center, Dartmouth College, and the University of Texas at Austin.
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« Reply #2933 on: January 15, 2022, 01:22:44 pm »

According to Worldometer, the US is at over 870,000 Covid deaths and has been at close to 2000 or above daily deaths all this week. Those numbers are still grim. I hope it's a post-Christmas period effect.

I see some people are pinning their hopes on Omicron being less lethal than previous variants. It is good news that it is. But some postings read like the pandemic is over because of that. But the previous variants haven't gone away, have they?

Here's a link to a well written article from NPR that discusses some important topics surrounding the virus's evolution, Omicron, and how the future may look. It's alway nice to find articles on this subject where the author has a deep science background (the writer of this article has her PhD in chemistry), but is able to write in a way that's easy to understand for those that don't.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/01/14/1072504127/fact-check-the-theory-that-sars-cov-2-is-becoming-milder

Fact check: The theory that SARS-CoV-2 is becoming milder - January 14, 2022

There's a growing narrative in the mainstream media, on social media — maybe even at your dinner table. That is: The coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 is weakening and evolving into a less deadly virus. In the future, each new variant that crops up will cause milder illness than the previous variant.

"There's this story that we're going to have variants that are progressively less severe," says Dr. Roby Bhattacharyya, who's an infectious disease specialist at Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School.

But that's completely untrue, Bhattacharyya says. "It's comforting to think there might be some tendency for SARS-CoV-2 to evolve toward a milder form. That's not what we're seeing here."
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« Reply #2934 on: January 15, 2022, 01:50:49 pm »

Does anyone know how the Omicron-only death rate compares to average flu deaths (using 35,000 per year as an assumed yearly average for flu, as per previous postings)?

There aren't any studies of that specifically of which I'm aware. I think it's likely too early to have enough data. I've never felt that comparison of the two diseases is of much value as they are different diseases with different characteristics. I realize that the comparison is of interest and has been made several times here, likely due to the fact that one characteristic they share is that they are both airborne viruses and exposure occurs in that manner. Also, either is capable of causing serious deadly pandemics.

I've posted statistics before on flu and COVID-19. Now that CDC has data on two complete years of COVID-19, I may post an update of those. I compiled those only because of the dangerous assertion made that, for those in their 40s or younger, COVID-19 was of no more concern than the flu. No doubt, there are some that still believe this notion.
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« Reply #2935 on: January 15, 2022, 01:58:12 pm »

Textbook Saul Alinsky: attack and destroy the person, don't engage in meaningful debate.

Textbook Frans Waterlander: pop up with some whining complaint once in awhile without engaging in meaningful debate. You're the fly at every picnic—now, where did I put that swatter?
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« Reply #2936 on: January 15, 2022, 01:58:49 pm »

Textbook Saul Alinsky: attack and destroy the person, don't engage in meaningful debate.
"It is only because of their stupidity that they are able to be so sure of themselves". -Franz Kafka
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« Reply #2937 on: January 15, 2022, 02:52:27 pm »

Textbook Saul Alinsky: attack and destroy the person, don't engage in meaningful debate.
Yes, there's a lot of that going on here. 

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« Reply #2938 on: January 15, 2022, 02:56:20 pm »

Yes, there's a lot of that going on here.

Your personal attacks on other members being no exception.
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« Reply #2939 on: January 15, 2022, 03:06:42 pm »

As you can see below, while you can average deaths that occur from various flu seasons over a period of years, there is no typical flu season. This is true both for total deaths and deaths among those of ages 49 and younger. This is also true for COVID-19, which in 2021 caused over twice the number of deaths among those ages 49 and younger and nearly doubled the percentage of all COVID-19 deaths comprised by that age group compared to the previous year.

Annual Estimated U.S. Flu Deaths By Flu Season (52-Weeks from Oct. to Sept.)

• Flu Season Deaths 2010-2011 = 36,656  (Ages 0-49 = 5,592 - 15.3% of All Flu Deaths)
• Flu Season Deaths 2011-2012 = 12,447  (Ages 0-49 = 744 - 6.0% of All Flu Deaths)
• Flu Season Deaths 2012-2013 = 42,570  (Ages 0-49 = 3,233 - 7.6% of All Flu Deaths)
• Flu Season Deaths 2013-2014 = 37,930  (Ages 0-49 = 3,552 - 9.4% of All Flu Deaths)
• Flu Season Deaths 2014-2015 = 51,376  (Ages 0-49 = 1,788 - 3.5% of All Flu Deaths)
• Flu Season Deaths 2015-2016 = 22,705  (Ages 0-49 = 1,971 - 8.7% of All Flu Deaths)
• Flu Season Deaths 2016-2017 = 38,230  (Ages 0-49 = 1,616 - 4.2% of All Flu Deaths)
• Flu Season Deaths 2017-2018 = 51,646  (Ages 0-49 = 2,781 - 5.4% of All Flu Deaths)
• Flu Season Deaths 2018-2019 = 27,619  (Ages 0-49 = 1,962 - 7.1% of All Flu Deaths)
• Flu Season Deaths 2019-2020 = 20,342  (Ages 0-49 = 2,670 - 13.1% of All Flu Deaths)

TOTAL Flu Season Deaths 2010-2011 thru 2019-2020 = 341,521 (Ages 0-49 = 25,909)

AVERAGE Flu Season Deaths 2010-2011 thru 2019-2020 = 34,152 (Ages 0-49 = 2,591 - 7.6% Average of All Flu Deaths)

• Flu Deaths for Calendar Year 2020 = 8,786  (Ages: 0-49 = 1,127 - 12.8% of All Flu Deaths)
• Flu Deaths for Calendar Year 2021 = 944  (Ages: 0-49 = 75 - 7.9% of All Flu Deaths)

• COVID-19 Deaths for Calendar Year 2020 = 385,434  (Ages: 0-49 = 17,295 - 4.5% of All COVID-19 Deaths)
• COVID-19 Deaths for Calendar Year 2021 = 446,196  (Ages: 0-49 = 39,732 - 8.9% of All COVID-19 Deaths)

* Data above is current and updated as of today's date.

This page has links to statistics for all flu seasons from 2010-2011 thru 2019-2020: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2012-2013.html

This page has statistics for Pneumonia/Influenza/COVID-19 for 2020 thru 2021: https://www.cdc.gov/2020-2021/Pnuemonia-Influenza-Covid/weekly/index

If anyone looks at these death statistics and still wishes to push the narrative that COVID-19 is no deadlier or of more concern than the flu—for any age group—in my opinion, you would be a fool spreading dangerous misinformation.
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