Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine

[LesPalenik]

What is the difference between getting exposed and getting infected?  Sounds like a distinction without a difference.

For a film or a person?

[Alan Klein]

Not this "distinction without a difference" crap again. Do your own Google search for the difference between exposure and infection. This isn't your personal research service.

It's already been throughly discussed before in this thread. Try paying attention once in awhile! Maybe you could at least get a quote right then.

What did Fauci mean when he said "Maybe a lot of them"  will get infected?

[TechTalk]

For a film or a person?

That's actually not a bad analogy. You can expose film and never develop the images. You can also be exposed to a virus without developing an infection. In fact, we are frequently exposed to viruses and bacteria that cause diseases without developing an infection. That's the whole purpose of having an immune system.

[Chris Kern]

What is the difference between getting exposed and getting infected?

The quantity of the pathogen, if any, that enters the host's body, and how rapidly and effectively the host's immune reaction is able to interdict or subsequently control the propagation of whatever amount of the pathogen has entered the host.

[TechTalk]

As a brief followup to my post above with my layman's explanation of the timeline between transmission and exposure to a virus (pathogen) and becoming infectious to others, below is a link to a simple diagram of disease progression (pathogenesis) from exposure, thru incubation, to communicable infectious disease and transmission to others.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Key-time-periods-of-COVID-19-infection-the-latent-or-exposed-period-before-the-onset-of-communicability

For a concise and easy to understand explanation of the difference between exposure and infection which is better than my own, see the link below.

https://health-desk.org/articles/what-is-the-difference-between-exposure-and-infection-to-a-virus

For those that want a deeper dive into the microbiology, see the link below. About halfway down the page you'll find the section titled "Stages of Pathogenesis" which describes the stages of disease development as: Exposure (pathogen enters the body), Adhesion (attachment to cells), Invasion (localized or systemic spread in the body), Infection (successful multiplication of pathogen leading to infection), Transmission (continuing persistence of disease by transmission to a new host).

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/microbiology/chapter/how-pathogens-cause-disease/

[TechTalk]

Here is an additional diagram which shows the relationship between the timeline of exposure of one individual to the infection of another. It is following the latent period of incubation when infection begins leading to transmission of the virus.

It is during the latent period of incubation, following exposure, when the immune system of vaccinated individuals targets the virus for destruction to prevent infection and transmission.

https://wiki.ecdc.europa.eu/Images/Incubation-infection-transmission

Above link is from the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control.

[digitaldog]

Do your own Google search for the difference between exposure and infection.

That would require a tiny bit of effort on his part. Too complicated.
Easier to assume.
”Education costs money, but then so does ignorance.”-Claus Moser

[Peter McLennan]

And McDonald's prices went up 9%, almost ten bucks for a quarter pounder and a medium fries and Diet Coke.

This from a guy who also eats cream cheese bagels, pizza and has heart problems.

[TechTalk]

What is the difference between getting exposed and getting infected?  Sounds like a distinction without a difference.

This "distinction without a difference" line has, I confess, been annoying to me for some time now. It's been repeated numerous times as a favorite one-liner to dismiss whatever actual differences exist that he would prefer to ignore for whatever reason.

"A distinction without a difference." You keeping trotting out that same old line as cover for your carelessness with words.

Your inability to recognize differences doesn't mean they do not exist in the real world outside of your mind.

[digitaldog]

This from a guy who also eats cream cheese bagels, pizza and has heart problems.

Such a diet is bad for dementia. That explains a lot. 🤮
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/dementia-and-diet-is-there-a-link

According to existing research, diabetes, obesity, and heart disease, which can increase the risk of developing dementia, are all rising in number.

[Alan Klein]

The quantity of the pathogen, if any, that enters the host's body, and how rapidly and effectively the host's immune reaction is able to interdict or subsequently control the propagation of whatever amount of the pathogen has entered the host.

That's not the issue I stated, Chris.  Vaccines are good.  I get that.  However, Fauci said that everyone is going to get infected or exposed, or meant that.   Then, what is the point of masks and social distancing?   Fauci needs to explain what he meant by "or maybe a lot of them" means.

[Peter McLennan]

... what is the point of masks and social distancing?

The point, Alan, is, even though you may have been exposed, to avoid becoming infected from that exposure.

Or, if you are infected, to avoid or at least minimize exposing and infecting OTHERS.

Oh, wait. There's a chance that could affect the economy. 

So fuck it. Muh rights, right?  I ain't wearing no face diaper and I'll stand as close to you as I like.  It's a free country.

[Alan Klein]

The point, Alan, is, even though you may have been exposed, to avoid becoming infected from that exposure.

Or, if you are infected, to avoid or at least minimize exposing and infecting OTHERS.

Oh, wait. There's a chance that could affect the economy. 

So fuck it. Muh rights, right?  I ain't wearing no face diaper and I'll stand as close to you as I like.  It's a free country.

But Peter, if you have been exposed, then the mask failed.  It doesn't matter if the exposure gets worse or not.  Fauci said everyone was going to get exposed, or "maybe a lot of them", whatever that means.

[TechTalk]

The point, Alan, is,...

The point is that there is no point in responding to someone that is unwilling to understand what they do not wish to understand. It falls on deaf ears and simply provides them with attention—which was the whole point from the beginning.

[Alan Klein]

The point is that there is no point in responding to someone that is unwilling to understand what they do not wish to understand.

A non-answer to explain the apparent failure of masks.

[TechTalk]

The point is that there is no point in responding to someone that is unwilling to understand what they do not wish to understand. It falls on deaf ears and simply provides them with attention—which was the whole point from the beginning.

[digitaldog]

The point is that there is no point in responding to someone that is unwilling to understand what they do not wish to understand.

So true. He doesn’t know what he doesn’t know but has a strong opinion anyway. And there will be a continuation to respond to this narrow-minded fool, it is a vicious cycle. He stops when everyone else ignores his foolishness. He feeds off this. He takes up far too much psychic space, like a vampire, a troll.
No one else in his life appears to pay any attention to him, you guys are all the friends he has sadly.

[TechTalk]

You can point out a misquote and provide an accurate quote multiple times and still get the same virtual blank stare with a repeat of the same misquote. You can explain the difference between two things until you are blue in the face and get nowhere. You can ride the merry-go-round until the bearings give out.

It won't make one whit of difference to someone that doesn't want to understand, but just wants to keep the wheel turning until everyone is exhausted. Then it starts all over again.

[chez]

They're estimating the whole Omicron will go through in two months.  The high case number shows that.  Meanwhile, I can't get through to my doctors' offices in most cases.  I called Verizon Wireless and they told me I had to wait 40 minutes to get a live person.  Never was like that before.  And McDonald's prices went up 9%, almost ten bucks for a quarter pounder and a medium fries and Diet Coke.

That's a direct cause of so many people being away from work with Omicron.

[Peter McLennan]

But Peter, if you have been exposed, then the mask failed.

"But Alan", if you walk through a room and there's an infected person present and you're wearing a mask and you're social distanced, you've been EXPOSED but not necessarily INFECTED.

Your recreational ignorance is showing again.

It's not becoming.

As a matter of fact, it's downright horrifying.  Especially when we realize there are seventy million of you.