Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine

[TechTalk]

No. But he did take a thread on vaccines and convert it into another forum for his political views... with the cooperation of others.

[digitaldog]

No. But he did take a thread on vaccines and convert it into another forum for his political views... with the cooperation of others.

True.
And he also showed how he talks out of both sides of his mouth via keyboard and posts here:

All that's left of the virus is politics.   

That was even more absurd than when he told us "all original prints are 300dpi". 

[digitaldog]

No, he wasn't vaccinated:

30-year-old with COVID loses arms, legs after being given choice to amputate limbs or die

https://www.newsweek.com/30-year-old-covid-loses-arms-legs-after-being-given-choice-amputate-limbs-die-1657822?amp=1
Edit: we (the US) are days away from 800,000 reported deaths from Covid-19.
Edit: this is another example of why the US is doing so poorly:

Sen. Ron Johnson has tried to undermine public confidence in Covid vaccines, but he recommends gargling with mouthwash to help "kill the coronavirus."

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/covid-ron-johnson-touts-highly-dubious-mouthwash-strategy-n1285651
I suppose it's safer than injecting bleach. 🤮

[Robert Roaldi]

Edit: we (the US) are days away from 800,000 reported deaths from Covid-19.

I presume that's a CDC number. It has always been lower than the Worldometer number, which is currently at 815,000. The Worldometer 7-day moving average of US daily deaths is stubbornly staying at or above 1000, which is still a lot.

[Robert Roaldi]

Edit: this is another example of why the US is doing so poorly:https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/covid-ron-johnson-touts-highly-dubious-mouthwash-strategy-n1285651
I suppose it's safer than injecting bleach. 🤮

Be interesting to find out if he or his family have been vaccinated.

[digitaldog]

Be interesting to find out if he or his family have been vaccinated.

He isn't and had Covid-19.

On Thursday, U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson said he had declined the vaccine because he had COVID-19 in October.

https://urbanmilwaukee.com/2021/03/17/ron-johnson-declines-vaccine/

[Jonathan Cross]

I have just heard that a good friend has died of Covid in our hospital.  She has died far too young.  For the last few years she has been caring for her husband who contracted cancer and then developed dementia.  No-one thought he would survive her.

I have no desire to get Covid, and have no wish whatsoever to give it to someone else should I get it and pass it on in the interval between getting it and having a positive test.  It affects different people in different ways that we cannot predict.

I will therefore try to behave responsibly, and as part of that will wear a mask whenever I should.

I am all for personal freedom, but will take it badly if someone else uses that as an excuse or reason for affecting my health or wellbeing.

Jonathan

[Jonathan Cross]

PS to my previous post.  Yes I am triple jabbed.

Jonathan

[Alan Klein]

I have just heard that a good friend has died of Covid in our hospital.  She has died far too young.  For the last few years she has been caring for her husband who contracted cancer and then developed dementia.  No-one thought he would survive her.

I have no desire to get Covid, and have no wish whatsoever to give it to someone else should I get it and pass it on in the interval between getting it and having a positive test.  It affects different people in different ways that we cannot predict.

I will therefore try to behave responsibly, and as part of that will wear a mask whenever I should.

I am all for personal freedom, but will take it badly if someone else uses that as an excuse or reason for affecting my health or wellbeing.

Jonathan

Sorry to hear about your friend.  My son-in-law just lost his 63-year-old aunt from some issue following a hip replacement. I've been triple injected also as has my wife.  I've also taken the regular flu shot.  I have to admit, I don't wear my mask very often.  If I'm inside, I might wear it depending on how crowded it is.  I try to stay away from others. 

I just checked the figures.  One person died of Covid in my county in New Jersey in the last week.  It's been averaging about 0-2 deaths per week since June including a couple of 3's.  Much higher before. So I guess it's been pretty safe here. The cases seem to be climbing, however, although the death rates stay very low.  I really wonder if the masks are making any difference?  I suspect the ones dying haven't had the vaccinations.

[LesPalenik]

Sorry to hear about your friend.  My son-in-law just lost his 63-year-old aunt from some issue following a hip replacement. I've been triple injected also as has my wife.  I've also taken the regular flu shot.  I have to admit, I don't wear my mask very often.  If I'm inside, I might wear it depending on how crowded it is.  I try to stay away from others. 

I just checked the figures.  One person died of Covid in my county in New Jersey in the last week.  It's been averaging about 0-2 deaths per week since June including a couple of 3's.  Much higher before. So I guess it's been pretty safe here. The cases seem to be climbing, however, although the death rates stay very low.  I really wonder if the masks are making any difference?  I suspect the ones dying haven't had the vaccinations.

I don't know if it is greater compliance in wearing the masks or more strict social distancing in Canada, but Canadian deaths are more than 3 times lower (per 1M) than the US counts. (2443 deaths in USA vs 782 deaths in Canada - for 1 million population).

[Jonathan Cross]

In England, it is mandatory now to wear masks in shops, cinemas, theatres, churches and anywhere there is a large number of people.  There is very high compliance where I live in southern England. 

The scientists here believe the data are showing the Omicron doubling time is 2 to 3 days.  The news this evening is that Omicron seems to be spreading much faster than Delta.  2 doses of vaccine more than 3 months ago do not seem to be very effective in preventing infection but a booster does have a mitigating effect.  The First Minister in Scotland has just announced that there could be a Tsunami of Omicron infections within a week.

Jonathan

PS.  Omicron is an anagram of moronic.  There is a view that if people behave like that then they are more likely to get it.

[digitaldog]

I don't know if it is greater compliance in wearing the masks or more strict social distancing in Canada, but Canadian deaths are more than 3 times lower (per 1M) as the US counts. (2443 deaths in USA vs 782 deaths in Canada - for 1 million population).

Or perhaps, more Canadians (and to Jonathan's post those in his country) actually accept data and science despite their political POVs.
Old joke, worth repeating and with an edit:
"You know the good part about all those executions in Texas? Fewer Texans". -George Carlin
Seems he could have substituted anti-vaxers, anti-mask users, anti-science for Texans. 

[Alan Klein]

I don't know if it is greater compliance in wearing the masks or more strict social distancing in Canada, but Canadian deaths are more than 3 times lower (per 1M) than the US counts. (2443 deaths in USA vs 782 deaths in Canada - for 1 million population).

Over what period?  What is the link?

[Alan Klein]

In England, it is mandatory now to wear masks in shops, cinemas, theatres, churches and anywhere there is a large number of people.  There is very high compliance where I live in southern England. 

The scientists here believe the data are showing the Omicron doubling time is 2 to 3 days.  The news this evening is that Omicron seems to be spreading much faster than Delta.  2 doses of vaccine more than 3 months ago do not seem to be very effective in preventing infection but a booster does have a mitigating effect.  The First Minister in Scotland has just announced that there could be a Tsunami of Omicron infections within a week.

Jonathan

PS.  Omicron is an anagram of moronic.  There is a view that if people behave like that then they are more likely to get it.

Rather than calling it Omnicron after the Greek letter, it would have been more appropriately called after the other Greek letter: Xi.

[digitaldog]

Rather than calling it Omnicron after the Greek letter, it would have been more appropriately called after the other Greek letter: Xi.

If only you didn't resign from your old job at the W.H.O.....

Some other variants with Greek letters do not reach those classification levels, and the W.H.O. also skipped two letters just before Omicron — “Nu” and “Xi” — leading to speculation about whether “Xi” was avoided in deference to the Chinese president, Xi Jinping.
“‘Nu’ is too easily confounded with ‘new,’” Tarik Jasarevic, a W.H.O. spokesman, said on Saturday. “And ‘Xi’ was not used because it is a common last name.”
He added that the agency’s best practices for naming diseases suggest avoiding “causing offense to any cultural, social, national, regional, professional or ethnic groups**.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/27/world/africa/omicron-covid-greek-alphabet.html

**Had they used Xi, Trump and his minions could have called it the ‘Chinese Virus’ AGAIN. 

Rather than calling it Omnicron after the Greek letter, it would have been more appropriately called after the other Greek letter: Xi.

Thank you sharing with us your strong opinion about a subject you’ve demonstrated you know so little about.

[LesPalenik]

Over what period?  What is the link?

From the beginning of the pandemic. Here is the worldometer link:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

You can click on any of the headings in the table and sort it by that column. Sorted by Number of deaths/1M, USA is ranked 20 and Canada 94.
Interestingly, many of the small European countries show up on in the first ten group - Hungary, Bulgaria, Czechia. Montenegro, Bosnia and Romania. The top place goes to Peru with almost 6,000 deaths/1M.

[Chris Kern]

In England, it is mandatory now to wear masks in shops, cinemas, theatres, churches and anywhere there is a large number of people.  There is very high compliance where I live in southern England. 

The scientists here believe the data are showing the Omicron doubling time is 2 to 3 days.

Epidemiologists everywhere reportedly will be closely monitoring what happens in the U.K. during the next few weeks.  Because of its high vaccination rate, reliable vaccine record-keeping, and large-scale genomic testing, they should learn a lot about the infectiousness of the Omicron variant, the severity of the illness it produces in different segments of the population, and its ability to circumvent both vaccine-acquired and infection-acquired immunity—as well, unfortunately, as how well patients with severe symptomatic illness respond to the various therapeutic agents that currently are available.

[LesPalenik]

Rather than calling it Omnicron after the Greek letter, it would have been more appropriately called after the other Greek letter: Xi.

That was actually the next name (after Nu which would be pronounced as New), but going with that name would surely trigger a war with China.

[Alan Klein]

From the beginning of the pandemic. Here is the worldometer link:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

You can click on any of the headings in the table and sort it by that column. Sorted by Number of deaths/1M, USA is ranked 20 and Canada 94.
Interestingly, many of the small European countries show up on in the first ten group - Hungary, Bulgaria, Czechia. Montenegro, Bosnia and Romania. The top place goes to Peru with almost 6,000 deaths/1M.

Wouldn't more recent statistics better reflect the current situation to determine which methods might be working the best?  It might be similar to showing statistics right after Pearl Harbor as to who's winning WWII.  I found this site that compares more recent trends.  Things seem to be trending worse in Europe.
https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/

[digitaldog]

From the beginning of the pandemic. Here is the worldometer link:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

As you can see, it doesn't follow his conformation bias, so it's worthless and wrong and will be called out as a lie (we've seen that in the past too). Then followed with questions who's correct answer(s) will be ignored. Wash, rinse, repeat.

'Lies are attempts to hide the truth by willfully denying facts. Fiction, on the other hand, is an attempt to reveal the truth by ignoring facts'. -John Green