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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #1440 on: April 29, 2021, 02:00:21 pm »

I didn't say anything positive OR negative about Biden/Democrats - in fact, I didn't mention them at all.  I'm refuting the idea that somehow Trump was ahead of the curve and that the health officials were all wrong, especially when, at least according to WSJ, it was *they* who had to convince *Trump* to restrict travel.  Heck, Alan, I'm not even condemning Trump for considering  the impact the decision would have on China/US relations - that consideration makes sense to me.
He was ahead of the curve.  Democrats and Biden were opposed to his shutting down Chinese from traveling here.  His political opponents treated it just like they complained about his Mulsim ban as being racist and xenophobic.  Maybe if Democrats hadn't attacked him so hard regarding the Muslim ban, he would have even been stronger regarding Covid.  But Democrats denigrated him so much about the ban, he probably was gunshy to go further with Covid travel to the US and quarantine.  Even today, Democrats still complain when he calls the virus the Chinese Flu.  They imply that's racist although we have the Asian Flu, the Spanish Flu, and other named diseases called where they supposedly started. 

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« Reply #1441 on: April 29, 2021, 03:55:15 pm »

. . . we have the Asian Flu, the Spanish Flu, and other named diseases called where they supposedly started.

The Alan Klein Flu has certainly infected this thread about coronavirus vaccines.  There is no known cure.

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« Reply #1442 on: April 30, 2021, 04:44:32 am »

The Alan Klein Flu has certainly infected this thread about coronavirus vaccines.  There is no known cure.

A virus is just an annoyance for a well-developed immune system. Antibodies would take care of that. This thread, however, is apparently filled with busybodies that actually helped the virus thrive  ;)

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« Reply #1443 on: April 30, 2021, 10:58:57 am »

Moderna update.

Moderna Is Testing a New Version of Its COVID-19 Vaccine That Wouldn’t Require Ultra-Cold Storage
https://time.com/5978280/moderna-vaccine-ultra-cold-storage/

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« Reply #1444 on: April 30, 2021, 11:06:26 am »

NYC is going broke due to Covid shutdowns.  The mayor finally sees the handwriting on the wall.  I was in Manhattan the other day.  It seems busier but it has a long way to go.

New York City will reopen 100% on July 1, Mayor Bill de Blasio says

An official report released Wednesday details the full economic impact of the loss of tourism and business in New York City due to the coronavirus pandemic.

New York State Comptroller Thomas DiNapoli said a 10-year period of record growth in tourism came to an abrupt end in 2020, as 43.7 million fewer visitors came to the city because of COVID-19. (was around 65 million visitors the previous year)

Tourists spent only $13 billion in 2020 (instead of around $60B), a 73% decline from the prior year, and in the end, that will cost the city $1.2 billion in lost tax revenues in Fiscal Year 2021.

Employment in the tourism industry also saw a significant decline in 2020, as 89,000 jobs were lost from 2019, when employment reached a record 283,200 jobs.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/29/new-york-city-mayor-bill-de-blasio-says-the-city-will-re-open-100percent-on-july-1.html
https://abc7ny.com/health/nyc-tourism-industry-decimated-by-covid-pandemic-report/10556641/

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« Reply #1445 on: April 30, 2021, 12:42:28 pm »

NYC is going broke due to Covid shutdowns.  The mayor finally sees the handwriting on the wall.  I was in Manhattan the other day.  It seems busier but it has a long way to go.

New York City will reopen 100% on July 1, Mayor Bill de Blasio says

An official report released Wednesday details the full economic impact of the loss of tourism and business in New York City due to the coronavirus pandemic.

New York State Comptroller Thomas DiNapoli said a 10-year period of record growth in tourism came to an abrupt end in 2020, as 43.7 million fewer visitors came to the city because of COVID-19. (was around 65 million visitors the previous year)

Tourists spent only $13 billion in 2020 (instead of around $60B), a 73% decline from the prior year, and in the end, that will cost the city $1.2 billion in lost tax revenues in Fiscal Year 2021.

Employment in the tourism industry also saw a significant decline in 2020, as 89,000 jobs were lost from 2019, when employment reached a record 283,200 jobs.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/29/new-york-city-mayor-bill-de-blasio-says-the-city-will-re-open-100percent-on-july-1.html
https://abc7ny.com/health/nyc-tourism-industry-decimated-by-covid-pandemic-report/10556641/

Everyone keeps on saying we are going to see an boom when this is over, but I just dont think it is going to happen, at least not in the blue states.  PA, NY, NJ and the rest of the north east lost 30% of small businesses due to the lockdowns.  That does not just fix itself. 

On top of that, many liberals are still scared to go outside even if they are vaccinated.  Too many in these regions have been broken mentally.  I live in a fairly sane neighborhood, Roxborough, which is purple and leans red, so most of the time when I walk around most people are not wearing masks outside.  This though is not the normal in the city, and I know many lefties who think even by Summer's end, they still dont think we should be doing anything.  Red states will obviously fair better with this.     

On top of that, I read that if you look at how inflation has been tracking over the first few months of the year and assume it continues, we are in a 16% to 18% inflationary curve already.  Hold on to your bank accounts, because in a year your money will be worth a lot less.  The reason for this is pointed to the government putting too much money into the market, artificially increasing future demand, while keeping people home during the last year, artificially decreasing supply.  Houses, all building materials, gasoline, food prices, etc. have all gone up.

I think any uptick in GDP will be offset by inflation, if not more so.  You cant throw a year long Covid-19 stay at home party without the bill eventually coming due. 
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« Reply #1446 on: April 30, 2021, 12:46:57 pm »

Texas will do OK. All the billionaires and Teslanaires are moving from CA and NY there.
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« Reply #1447 on: April 30, 2021, 01:02:36 pm »

New Yorkers tend to move to Florida. Californians to Texas.

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« Reply #1448 on: April 30, 2021, 05:20:31 pm »

Texas will do OK. All the billionaires and Teslanaires are moving from CA and NY there.

What does that say about the rest of us? 

Carter's legacy will be reaped again. 
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« Reply #1449 on: May 01, 2021, 10:39:33 am »

Anyone want to check my statistics? If you allow 100,000,000 Americans fully vaccinated, there are 7157 of those who got covid (0.0007%) and 88 who died(0.000088%)  That means only 7 people out of one million vaccinated people got covid and less than one person died out of million vaccinated.  By comparison, 110 people per million died from auto accidents in 2010.  That’s about 125 times worse than vaccinated, The risk is even less since the 100,000,000 are the double dosed and don’t include the millions of others who only took one shot of the two. 


The claim: Death rate among COVID-19 vaccinated people is significantly higher compared to unvaccinated population
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/30/fact-check-misleading-claim-deaths-fully-vaccinated-people/4856504001/
Vehicle deaths stats: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year

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« Reply #1450 on: May 01, 2021, 03:37:55 pm »

Anyone want to check my statistics? If you allow 100,000,000 Americans fully vaccinated, there are 7157 of those who got covid (0.0007%) and 88 who died(0.000088%)  That means only 7 people out of one million vaccinated people got covid and less than one person died out of million vaccinated.  By comparison, 110 people per million died from auto accidents in 2010.  That’s about 125 times worse than vaccinated, The risk is even less since the 100,000,000 are the double dosed and don’t include the millions of others who only took one shot of the two. 


The claim: Death rate among COVID-19 vaccinated people is significantly higher compared to unvaccinated population
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/30/fact-check-misleading-claim-deaths-fully-vaccinated-people/4856504001/
Vehicle deaths stats: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year

Exactly! 

This is why I think so many lefties's minds have been broken by the last year.  They are ignoring all scientific facts just to hold onto the security blanket of masks, think it will save them.  They convince themselves it is one thing that matters, and if they get sick, well it was because of some other anti-masker, not crap luck.  The fact that they cant not give up their fear is sad, and will have ramifications on the economy. 

I think too many people work behind desks nowadays in safe environments and lack proper risk assessment.  I forget who said it, but "all philosophers need to keep one hand in the soil."  Everyone needs to do something, even for a little bit of time everyday, that can not been manipulated and falsely interpreted by the mind.  Something that you can not lie to yourself about if you screw up or if something goes awry.  In this quote, farming is the obvious task, which is something that you can not lie to yourself about.  It either works out or it does not, even if you do everything right. 

I both garden and ferment drink.  If things go wrong, there is no way to trick yourself into believing it did not.  I had a great garden last June and was looking at a nice yield, then it hailed for a hour one afternoon, and kill half my garden.  Such is life. 

Our current lifestyle gives too many the false notion you can control everything, when you cant.  And when you have everyone en mass suddenly learn this at the same time, this is the result. 
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #1451 on: May 01, 2021, 06:18:27 pm »

Anyone want to check my statistics? If you allow 100,000,000 Americans fully vaccinated, there are 7157 of those who got covid (0.0007%) and 88 who died(0.000088%)  That means only 7 people out of one million vaccinated people got covid and less than one person died out of million vaccinated.  By comparison, 110 people per million died from auto accidents in 2010.  That’s about 125 times worse than vaccinated, The risk is even less since the 100,000,000 are the double dosed and don’t include the millions of others who only took one shot of the two. 


The claim: Death rate among COVID-19 vaccinated people is significantly higher compared to unvaccinated population
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/30/fact-check-misleading-claim-deaths-fully-vaccinated-people/4856504001/
Vehicle deaths stats: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year

redo your math. it is off by a factor of 10 for the %,  unless i had a typo.
7,000 in 100,000,000 is 7 in 100,000.

and here is the conclusion of the fact check and why -
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Our rating: False

We rate the claim that the death rate from COVID-19 among fully vaccinated individuals is significantly higher than the unvaccinated FALSE, based on our research. Experts say because the total number of vaccine breakthrough infections is unknown and voluntary state reporting to the CDC skews toward more serious COVID-19 cases, it is not possible to directly infer an accurate death rate. And regardless, any comparison between the vaccinated and non-vaccinated is heavily skewed by the fact that the vaccinated group at present has a much higher proportion of older adults who are most at risk.
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #1452 on: May 01, 2021, 08:51:34 pm »

redo your math. it is off by a factor of 10 for the %,  unless i had a typo.
7,000 in 100,000,000 is 7 in 100,000.

and here is the conclusion of the fact check and why -
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Our rating: False

We rate the claim that the death rate from COVID-19 among fully vaccinated individuals is significantly higher than the unvaccinated FALSE, based on our research. Experts say because the total number of vaccine breakthrough infections is unknown and voluntary state reporting to the CDC skews toward more serious COVID-19 cases, it is not possible to directly infer an accurate death rate. And regardless, any comparison between the vaccinated and non-vaccinated is heavily skewed by the fact that the vaccinated group at present has a much higher proportion of older adults who are most at risk.
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Thanks for correcting the zero. The point the article made I believe, and that I am making, is that the death rate of vaccinated people is very low from getting the virus subsequently to vaccination despite some missing statistics.  After all, why would we be taking the vaccines if they didn't do their job?  Also, if younger people were vaccinated at the same higher rate as older people, then the death rate would be even lower.   All that is great news about the vaccines.

Of course, my wife still isn't impressed by the statistics or the claims of CDC and the experts.  Or my arguments for that matter?  She still isolates to a large degree and gives me hell when I don't.  :)

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« Reply #1453 on: May 03, 2021, 04:02:45 am »

In the meantime:

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« Reply #1454 on: May 03, 2021, 12:09:35 pm »

A virus is just an annoyance for a well-developed immune system.

"Wake me when the death toll exceeds 60,000"
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« Reply #1455 on: May 03, 2021, 03:09:57 pm »

"Wake me when the death toll exceeds 60,000"

Yep, wonder what bbq crow tastes like?
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« Reply #1456 on: May 03, 2021, 03:40:58 pm »

Yep, wonder what bbq crow tastes like?

If's anything like pigeon or Squab, then not bad, not bad at all.  A bit less gamier then duck, but you can eat it mid-rare like duck.  It's quite nice. 
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« Reply #1457 on: May 03, 2021, 06:30:17 pm »

"Wake me when the death toll exceeds 60,000"

Your Führer's Covid death rate in his first 100 days is already at 45% of what you accused Trump of for the whole year.
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« Reply #1458 on: May 03, 2021, 06:31:03 pm »

Yep, wonder what bbq crow tastes like?

You really think you said something smart?

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« Reply #1459 on: May 03, 2021, 07:59:12 pm »

So certain someone really went after me in months past for implying that the teacher's unions, not science, was dictating the school reopening guidance.  Welp ...

Critics slam CDC after teachers union influences guidelines: 'Based in politics and not science'

This is why people dont trust our health experts.  They have given up being scientists for being politicians.   

I am going to get vaccinated this week, and then I am done paying attention to the little amount of things I am still doing. 
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