Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine

[TechTalk]

nonsense. The CDC now tells us soap and water is enough.

When did they tell you that soap and water wasn't helpful in reducing virus spread?

[Chris Kern]

The Internet enables access to a lot of information - including true science. Understanding may not be easy for the layperson.

A good place to start, especially for those who are not accustomed to reading technical documents, is the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.  This is how the CDC communicates directly with clinical practitioners.  These reports are more accessible than some of the preprints that researchers post directly on the 'Net to communicate their preliminary findings with other researchers—for those of us with no relevant formal training, I would compare their difficulty with reading a book in a language in which you are not completely fluent—and, unlike many of the peer-reviewed and published papers, they are not behind a paywall.

[LesPalenik]

nonsense. The CDC now tells us soap and water is enough. I spent a good part of the last year on Amazon tracking down hard ti purchase disinfectants to wipe down surfaces.  Where have you been?

there is nothing new about the soap being good enough. Actually, in many way it is better than disinfectant. And a bar of soap is better than the liquid stuff. You don't need CDC for that.

[Robert Roaldi]

nonsense. The CDC now tells us soap and water is enough.  I spent a good part of the last year on Amazon tracking down hard ti purchase disinfectants to wipe down surfaces.  Where have you been?

Do you really think it's ok to just make shit up? From the very start, and more generally from as far back as I can remember in my life, we've been told to wash hands with soap and water to stop spread of infection.

Soap is a disinfectant. Every report I've ever read tells you not to buy anti-bacterial soap because the anti-bacterial additives are superfluous (and bad things to flush down the drain).

Sales of those alcohol disinfectant bottles increased because they're handy to keep around public places. You can't have a sink and soap at the grocery store front door, for example.

[Alan Klein]

When did they tell you that soap and water wasn't helpful in reducing virus spread?

Stop changing my words. I never said soap and water was not helpful. But the CDC was pushing disinfectants to clean surfaces other than your hands. Now they say soap and water is enough on surfaces.  That's a change.

[Alan Klein]

Do you really think it's ok to just make shit up? From the very start, and more generally from as far back as I can remember in my life, we've been told to wash hands with soap and water to stop spread of infection.

Soap is a disinfectant. Every report I've ever read tells you not to buy anti-bacterial soap because the anti-bacterial additives are superfluous (and bad things to flush down the drain).

Sales of those alcohol disinfectant bottles increased because they're handy to keep around public places. You can't have a sink and soap at the grocery store front door, for example.

The CDC wasn't referring to hands. You didn't view the link I posted. So here's an extract.  They just released this revised recommendation.

Soap and water may be all that’s needed to keep surfaces coronavirus-free in your home, according to the latest federal guidance released Monday.

“In most situations, regular cleaning of surfaces with soap and detergent, not necessarily disinfecting those surfaces, is enough to reduce the risk of COVID-19 spread,” said Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

[Robert Roaldi]

Stop changing my words. I never said soap and water was not helpful. But the CDC was pushing disinfectants to clean surfaces other than your hands. Now they say soap and water is enough on surfaces.  That's a change.

Were they really pushing disinfectants the way you say?

[Alan Klein]

there is nothing new about the soap being good enough. Actually, in many way it is better than disinfectant. And a bar of soap is better than the liquid stuff. You don't need CDC for that.

The purpose of my post was to show that the CDC changed one of their primary recommendations again on another important protocol this time regarding cleaning surfaces.  Additionally, they're basically not worried about transmission of Covid touching surfaces.  So all those bottles of disinfectant cleaners bought wasn't really required.

[Alan Klein]

Were they really pushing disinfectants the way you say?

Yes.  Didn't you see all those videos of people spraying door handles and counter tops with alcohol and chemical disinfectants?  CDC has a web site that lists all the disinfectants that were approved for use against Covid.  I would check the ones on Amazon before I bought them to make sure they were approved.  So now they're saying a soapy rag would have even been good enough. Plus there's really no or little chance you can get Covid from surfaces. 

[TechTalk]

Stop changing my words. I never said soap and water was not helpful. But the CDC was pushing disinfectants to clean surfaces other than your hands. Now they say soap and water is enough on surfaces.  That's a change.

You've been on this obsessive crusade against "experts" for whatever reason. This is just a transparent attempt to slap those "experts" you distrust with a red herring.

The CDC director gives some common sense advice that "In most situations, regular cleaning of surfaces with soap and detergent is enough to reduce the risk of COVID-19 spread" and you don't "necessarily" need disinfecting (it's recommended if someone is sick) and like a predator seeing a meal, you swoop down for a feast!

The fact that soap and water and disinfectants BOTH "reduce the risk" from bacteria and viruses has been known for eons for crying out loud! You want to make a big deal out of a simple statement for your own crusade and to justify your suspicions. I doubt if anyone but you cares, so enjoy your feast.

[TechTalk]

The CDC wasn't referring to hands. You didn't view the link I posted. So here's an extract.  They just released this revised recommendation.

Soap and water may be all that’s needed to keep surfaces coronavirus-free in your home, according to the latest federal guidance released Monday.

“In most situations, regular cleaning of surfaces with soap and detergent, not necessarily disinfecting those surfaces, is enough to reduce the risk of COVID-19 spread,” said Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

This is the shocking and incredible "new" guidance...

Clean Regularly

Cleaning with a household cleaner that contains soap or detergent reduces the amount of germs on surfaces and decreases risk of infection from surfaces. In most situations, cleaning alone removes most virus particles on surfaces. Disinfection to reduce transmission of COVID-19 at home is likely not needed unless someone in your home is sick or if someone who is positive for COVID-19 has been in your home within the last 24 hours.

When and how to clean surfaces in your home

• Clean high-touch surfaces regularly (for example, daily) and after you have visitors in your home.
• Focus on high-touch surfaces such as doorknobs, tables, handles, light switches, and countertops.
• Clean other surfaces in your home when they are visibly dirty or as needed. Clean them more frequently if people in your household are more likely to get very sick from COVID-19. You might also choose to disinfect.
• Clean surfaces using a product suitable for each surface, following instructions on the product label.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/disinfecting-your-home

Please accept this molehill and may it serve you well in your quest.

[Alan Klein]

You've been on this obsessive crusade against "experts" for whatever reason. This is just a transparent attempt to slap those "experts" you distrust with a red herring.

The CDC director gives some common sense advice that "In most situations, regular cleaning of surfaces with soap and detergent is enough to reduce the risk of COVID-19 spread" and you don't "necessarily" need disinfecting (it's recommended if someone is sick) and like a predator seeing a meal, you swoop down for a feast!

The fact that soap and water and disinfectants BOTH "reduce the risk" from bacteria and viruses has been known for eons for crying out loud! You want to make a big deal out of a simple statement for your own crusade and to justify your suspicions. I doubt if anyone but you cares, so enjoy your feast.

My wife and I spent hours on the web trying to track down disinfectants most that were backordered often for weeks and months.  That's because they were pushed by experts especially the CDC.  Everyone was buying them in America. To make light of their new protocol that just soap and water is sufficient is a huge change.  And yes this is to flag that so-called "expert" advice is often wrong or hyperventilated.  This gets people to throw up their hands and doubt much of their recommendations.

[TechTalk]

Many people here have repeatedly taken the follow the science and ignore the economy view.

I've never seen anyone here suggest "ignore the economy". It's your twisted interpretation to fit your repetitious narrative.

[Alan Klein]

This is the shocking and incredible "new" guidance...

Clean Regularly

Cleaning with a household cleaner that contains soap or detergent reduces the amount of germs on surfaces and decreases risk of infection from surfaces. In most situations, cleaning alone removes most virus particles on surfaces. Disinfection to reduce transmission of COVID-19 at home is likely not needed unless someone in your home is sick or if someone who is positive for COVID-19 has been in your home within the last 24 hours.

When and how to clean surfaces in your home

• Clean high-touch surfaces regularly (for example, daily) and after you have visitors in your home.
• Focus on high-touch surfaces such as doorknobs, tables, handles, light switches, and countertops.
• Clean other surfaces in your home when they are visibly dirty or as needed. Clean them more frequently if people in your household are more likely to get very sick from COVID-19. You might also choose to disinfect.
• Clean surfaces using a product suitable for each surface, following instructions on the product label.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/disinfecting-your-home

Please accept this molehill and may it serve you well in your quest.

The new protocol from the CDC was just released Monday. The following is from the news  link posted earlier.

"Soap and water may be all that’s needed to keep surfaces coronavirus-free in your home, according to the latest federal guidance released Monday.

“In most situations, regular cleaning of surfaces with soap and detergent, not necessarily disinfecting those surfaces, is enough to reduce the risk of COVID-19 spread,” said Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

[TechTalk]

My wife and I spent hours on the web trying to track down disinfectants most that were backordered often for weeks and months.  That's because they were pushed by experts especially the CDC.  Everyone was buying them in America. To make light of their new protocol that just soap and water is sufficient is a huge change.  And yes this is to flag that so-called "expert" advice is often wrong or hyperventilated.  This gets people to throw up their hands and doubt much of their recommendations.

Of course, many people became extra cautious regarding cleaning and germs in their home. Who wouldn't during the first major pandemic in 100 years? That seems a reasonable common sense concern, with or without household cleaning tips from the CDC, Good Housekeeping, or anyone else.

The rest, the devious and untrustworthy "experts" thing, is your obsession and your problem.

[TechTalk]

The new protocol from the CDC was just released Monday. The following is from the news  link posted earlier.

I saw it the first time. You're beginning to sputter and repeat yourself. Calm down, it's going to be OK.

What I posted is the "new" guidance. Check the date on the link.

[Alan Klein]

I've never seen anyone here suggest "ignore the economy". It's your twisted interpretation to fit your repetitious narrative.

People insulted Joe for wanting to work and "exposing" others to get sick. People repeated over and over that what good is an economy when you're dead.  Others suggested we should wait until the entire Covid was gone before opening the economy.  Others posited that we should be listening to scientists only and not economists.  Life was more important than money.  There was no balance from these posters. Where have you been?

[TechTalk]

Others suggested we should wait until the entire Covid was gone before opening the economy.

No one said that. You have a fever. Take some Tylenol.

Others posited that we should be listening to scientists only and not economists.

No one said that either. You appear to read things which then form twisted impressions in your mind.

Life was more important than money.

How much would you take for yours or someone you love?

There was no balance from these posters.

Of course there was balance. Everyone here has realized there has to be some balance struck. It appears that if someone has a balance different than yours, it registers in your mind as "no balance". That's your issue, not theirs.

Where have you been?

Right here Doc.

[TechTalk]

Well... There is science and then there is science. The science Alan and I are talking about is a filtered science, the one that reaches us common folks, via media. Our friend here, TechTalk, will often provide the right definition for the true science (the non-filtered one), which is of course correct.

I agree, as do a number of scientists, that media soundbite stories on science often minimize, or sometimes leave out, important context or qualifiers. That's the media that we have today. Of course, some sources are better than others at reporting science topics and scientists are rarely to blame for poor journalism. So... choose your sources carefully folks.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... The exponential growth is what you see last year in Nov/Dec and again at the start of March this year. This means that Serbia has seen exponential growth of coronavirus amongst its population.

If something goes up and down in certain shorter periods, it is not exponential overall. Obviously, it is in the up phase. Besides, the apparent growth in cases is more of a factor of increased testing, especially around holidays (travel-related testing). Initially, you couldn’t even get a test if you didn’t have symptoms. Over time, private labs started offering cheaper tests and people got curios.